Who found the talent on NHL Rosters?

abo9

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Thanks that's a pretty cool table! Did you also compile the actual players somewhere? I'd have fun just looking through that haha.
Montreal is allergic to forwards....

The fact that San Jose is ranked "top" in this table means that this metric doesn't really mean what it tries to mean...

A majority of their roster is from their own picks? If I had to guess about the others there must be a couple from the E.K trade playing in Ottawa, Pavelski, Thornton, Brendan Dillon and a couple less-known players.
 

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Thanks that's a pretty cool table! Did you also compile the actual players somewhere? I'd have fun just looking through that haha.
Montreal is allergic to forwards....



A majority of their roster is from their own picks? If I had to guess about the others there must be a couple from the E.K trade playing in Ottawa, Pavelski, Thornton, Brendan Dillon and a couple less-known players.

Would be a lot of work to post them all but just with the Ducks example, 26 of 27 are their draft picks. If you Google 'Anaheim NHL draft history' should be able to find them.

Since San Jose has quite a few undrafted free agents will add a list of their 32 players in the table:

Barclay Goodrow (fa)
Charlie Coyle
Chris Tierney
Colin Blackwell
Dylan Gambrell
Frederik Handemark (fa)
Joe Pavelski
Joel Kellman (fa)
John Leonard
Josh Norris
Kevin Labanc
Logan Couture
Matthew Nieto
Michael Sgarbossa (fa)
Nick Bonino
Noah Gregor
Patrick Marleau
Ryan Carpenter (fa)
Sean Kuraly
Timo Meier
Tomas Hertl

Dylan Demelo
Jason Demers
Justin Braun
Marc Edouard Vlasic
Mario Ferraro
Matt Irwin (fa)
Matt Tennyson
Nikolai Knyzhov (fa)
Radim Simek (fa)

Carter Hutton (fa)
Thomas Greiss

In post #10 above I did list all of the undrafted free agents in the league at that time (Feb 2020), which may help.

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Here's the Habs list:

Alex Galchenyuk
Arturi Lekhonen
Brendan Gallagher
Daniel Carr (fa)
Jake Evans
Jesperi Kotkaniemi
Max Pacioretty

Alexander Romanov
Jarred Tinordi
Joel Hanley (fa)
Mikhail Sergachev
Nathan Beaulieu
PK Subban
Ryan McDonagh

Carey Price
Jaroslav Halak

(also can now add Victor Mete to the table)
 
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Would be a lot of work to post them all but just with the Ducks example, 26 of 27 are their draft picks. If you Google 'Anaheim NHL draft history' should be able to find them.

Since San Jose has quite a few undrafted free agents will add a list of their 32 players in the table:

Barclay Goodrow (fa)
Charlie Coyle
Chris Tierney
Colin Blackwell
Dylan Gambrell
Frederik Handemark (fa)
Joe Pavelski
Joel Kellman (fa)
John Leonard
Josh Norris
Kevin Labanc
Logan Couture
Matthew Nieto
Michael Sgarbossa (fa)
Nick Bonino
Noah Gregor
Patrick Marleau
Ryan Carpenter (fa)
Sean Kuraly
Timo Meier
Tomas Hertl

Dylan Demelo
Jason Demers
Justin Braun
Marc Edouard Vlasic
Mario Ferraro
Matt Irwin (fa)
Matt Tennyson
Nikolai Knyzhov (fa)
Radim Simek (fa)

Carter Hutton (fa)
Thomas Greiss

In post #10 above I did list all of the undrafted free agents in the league at that time (Feb 2020), which may help.

Edit:

Here's the Habs list:

Alex Galchenyuk
Arturi Lekhonen
Brendan Gallagher
Daniel Carr (fa)
Jake Evans
Jesperi Kotkaniemi
Max Pacioretty

Alexander Romanov
Jarred Tinordi
Joel Hanley (fa)
Mikhail Sergachev
Nathan Beaulieu
PK Subban
Ryan McDonagh

Carey Price
Jaroslav Halak

(also can now add Victor Mete to the table)

Thanks that's very impressive! Did you automate the search, or do you have to manually pull that info out?

Crazy how Montreal managed to stay afloat despite that drafting, although that list of D looks pretty good... sad that they're all gone except Romanov (and Mete lol).
 
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Opening 2019-2020 NHL rosters by Original Drafting/Signing team Comparison

Team#(G+D+F)GoalsPointsDman GDman PtsFwd GoalsFwd Pts
Anaheim29(2+13+14)20060850250150357
Arizona19(0+7+12)18456133147151414
Boston27(2+7+18)34994241165308777
Buffalo27(2+11+14)21258641186171399
Calgary22(3+8+11)23961838155201463
Carolina21(0+7+14)22861335165193448
Chicago33(3+10+20)34297626163316813
Colorado15(1+6+8)23163923136208503
Columbus29(2+13+14)26162839180222448
Dallas28(2+9+17)20157954209147366
Detroit24(2+5+17)2556272392232533
Edmonton25(1+11+13)24267161223181446
Florida23(2+7+14)24064231114209524
Los Angeles35(3+11+21)21958629143190440
Minnesota21(2+8+11)15045344175106276
Montreal18(2+9+7)13538335170100208
Nashville24(2+10+12)24268165303177378
New Jersey20(2+6+12)18047724111156366
NYIslanders25(2+9+14)30475050185254562
NYRangers22(3+6+13)1694362179148351
Ottawa22(2+5+15)27770329143248558
Philadelphia21(2+5+14)22059330118190475
Pittsburgh26(3+7+16)25770035166222532
St. Louis26(4+7+15)23058247164183415
San Jose32(3+9+20)24767414104233567
Tampa Bay25(1+7+17)35189224114327775
Toronto29(2+9+18)20861734138174477
Vancouver14(2+5+7)1483641992129271
Vegas6(0+3+3)010100
Washington28(5+9+14)28674735182251562
Winnipeg24(2+8+14)25962126143233475
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To explain the numbers, using Anaheim, there were 29 players originally drafted or signed by the Ducks (2 goaltenders, 13 dmen and 14 forwards). Those players combined last season for 200 NHL goals and 608 points. Th breakdown of those goals and points are 50/250 for dmen and 150/357 for forwards.

Note: both drafted and originally signed undrafted players included, goaltender assists also included in team point totals
Average points per player is interesting. Avalanche win by a landslide, 42, 6 with Tampa Bay in second with 35,8.
 
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Thanks that's very impressive! Did you automate the search, or do you have to manually pull that info out?

Crazy how Montreal managed to stay afloat despite that drafting, although that list of D looks pretty good... sad that they're all gone except Romanov (and Mete lol).
Copy the year end stats into a spreadsheet, add a column for who drafted each player and then sort by that column is basically what I do. Then use the sheet as a basis, updating it for the new season which is the real challenge as rosters are constantly changing. plan to redo completely once year end stats are available.

Habs measurable draft history currently is (fill in the blank). I try just to provide the numbers without comment. There's lots of draft analysis out there using different methods. The tables above are simple comparisons open to different interpretations.

Guess my general comment, from running these type numbers for many years, is I've seen the correlation between teams who consistently draft well and success on the ice.

Average points per player is interesting. Avalanche win by a landslide, 42, 6 with Tampa Bay in second with 35,8.
Quality over quantity I guess, they have both drafted some very gifted offensive players.
 
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Thanks that's a pretty cool table! Did you also compile the actual players somewhere? I'd have fun just looking through that haha.
Montreal is allergic to forwards....



A majority of their roster is from their own picks? If I had to guess about the others there must be a couple from the E.K trade playing in Ottawa, Pavelski, Thornton, Brendan Dillon and a couple less-known players.
Thornton is a Boston 1st overall pick, Dillon is a Dallas (AFAIR) pick. A lot of their roster are FA signings from Europe in their early 20s.
 
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Thornton is a Boston 1st overall pick, Dillon is a Dallas (AFAIR) pick. A lot of their roster are FA signings from Europe in their early 20s.

Good catches! Completely forgot about Dillon and eh tbf Thornton has just been around for so long that I forgot his first career.
 

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Made a comparison of first round draft picks by team who have played this season (including games of February 10, 2021).

To explain the numbers, 14 of Anaheim's own first round picks have played in the NHL in 2020-21 so far. Of those 14 players, 8 played with the Ducks, the rest with other teams. The 10 players (all 1sts column) represent the 1sts who have played with the Ducks this season (drafted by all teams).

2020-21 NHL First Round Draft picks Comparison ( based on players who had played in the league thru games of Feb 10, 2021)

TeamOwn 1sts(With Team)All 1sts
Anaheim14(8)10
Arizona12(5)9
Boston9(5)8
Buffalo13(6)14
Calgary6(5)7
Carolina11(5)10
Chicago9(3)8
Colorado9(7)11
Columbus9(2)11
Dallas9(7)10
Detroit6(4)10
Edmonton13(7)12
Florida9(4)7
Los Angeles10(5)8
Minnesota9(3)10
Montreal10(2)7
Nashville8(3)11
New Jersey7(5)9
NY Islanders14(9)12
NY Rangers10(5)13
Ottawa11(4)10
Philadelphia13(11)13
Pittsburgh6(3)8
St. Louis10(3)4
San Jose6(4)9
Tampa Bay10(4)7
Toronto8(5)10
Vancouver7(6)10
Vegas3(1)6
Washington12(8)10
Winnipeg13(7)12
 
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Update to post 10 above, a comparison of current NHL players drafted after the second round and undrafted free agents by original drafting/signing team

This table is based on current NHL rosters (March 5th, 2021), the team represents the original drafting team or signing team of undrafted free agents, detailed lists follow further down:

TeamUndraftedRounds 3 to 7+Total
Anaheim178
Arizona246
Boston4711
Buffalo21113
Calgary4711
Carolina066
Chicago11819
Colorado134
Columbus41317
Dallas5813
Detroit5611
Edmonton5712
Florida099
Los Angeles61117
Minnesota189
Montreal145
Nashville077
New Jersey3811
NY Islanders189
NY Rangers4610
Ottawa11314
Philadelphia4610
Pittsburgh5914
St. Louis099
San Jose91221
Tampa Bay2911
Toronto41115
Vancouver5510
Vegas101
Washington2810
Winnipeg178




Who found the undrafted free agents around the league on current NHL rosters?

Original signing team:

Anaheim-(1) Kiefer Sherwood
Arizona-(2) Ilya Lyubushkin, Hunter Miska
Boston-(4) Torey Krug, Kevan Miller, Noel Acciari, Frank Vatrano
Buffalo-(2) Evan Rodriques, Chad Ruhwedel
Calgary-(4) David Rittich, Marc Giordano, Ryan Lomberg, Garnet Hathaway
Carolina-(0)
Chicago-(11) David Kampf, Matthew Highmore, Antti Raanta, Trevor Van Riemsdyk, Artemi Panarin, Dominik Kahun, Jan Rutta, Pius Suter, Tanner Kero, Kevin Lankinen, Collin Delia
Colorado-(1) Logan O’Connor
Columbus-(4) Dean Kukan, Eric Robinson, Nic Holden, Jonathan Marchessault
Dallas-(5) Justin Dowling, Joel Kiviranta, Brendan Dillon, Jordie Benn, Antoine Rouessel
Detroit-(5) Danny Dekeyser, Luke Glendening, Tomas Nosek. Mathias Brome, Dan Renouf
Edmonton-(5) Gaetan Haas, Joakim Nygard, Jordan Oesterle, Brad Hunt, Drake Caggiula
Florida-(0)
Los Angeles-(6) Kurtis MacDermid, Sean Walker, Alex Iafallo, Blake Lizotte, Martin Jones, Matt Luff
Minnesota-(1) Nico Sturm
Montreal-(1) Joel Hanley
Nashville-(0)
New Jersey-(3) Andy Greene, Kevin Rooney, Jacob MacDonald
NYIslanders-(1) Ross Johnston
NYRangers-(4) Alex Georgiev, Cam Talbot, Mats Zuccarello, Neal Pionk
Ottawa-(1) Artem Zub
Philadelphia-(4) Philippe Myers, Michael Raffl, P.E. Bellemare, Sergei Bobrosky
Pittsburgh-(5) Juuso Riikola, Zach Aston-Reese, Carter Rowney, Conor Sheary, Casey DeSmith
St.Louis-(0)
San Jose-(9) Aaron Dell, Radim Simek, Barclay Goodrow, Joel Kellman, Alexander True, Ryan Carpenter, Matt Irwin, Nikolai Knyzhov, Carter Hutton
Tampa Bay-(2) Yanni Gourde, Tyler Johnson
Toronto-(4) Ilya Mikheyev, Trevor Moore, Nikita Zaitsev, Tyler Bozak
Vancouver-(5) Troy Stecher, Chris Tanev, Zack MacEwen, Marc Michaelis, Jalen Chatfield
Vegas-(1) Zach Whitecloud
Washington-(2) Jay Beagle, Nate Schmidt
Winnipeg-(1) Brandon Tanev


94 current undrafted NHLers by my count or the equivalent of 4 teams (just over 12% of the league). Some pretty good players on the list.

This is a comparison of current NHLers drafted after the second round, listed by the team who drafted them:

Anaheim-(7) Josh Mahura 3rd, Josh Manson 6th, Sami Vatanen 4th, Chris Wagner 5th, Frederik Andersen 3rd, Ondrej Kase 7th, Troy Terry 5th
Arizona-(4) Keith Yandle 4th, Conor Garland 5th, Connor Clifton 5th, Adin Hill 3rd
Boston-(7) Nate Thompson 6th, Brad Marchand 3rd, Matt Grzelcyk 3rd, Matt Benning 6th, Danton Heinen 4th, Anders Bjork 5th, Michael Hutchinson 3rd
Buffalo-(11) Ryan Miller 5th, Andrej Sekera 3rd, Paul Byron 6th, Brayden McNabb 3rd, Marcus Foligno 4th, Linus Ulmark 6th, Victor Olofsson 7th, Jonas Johansson 3rd, Cal Petersen 5th, Will Borgen 4th, Brandon Hagel 6th
Calgary-(7) rd, Curtis McElhinney 6th, T.J. Brodie 4th, Adam Fox 3rd, Laurent Brossoit 6th, Johnny Gaudreau 4th, Brett Kulak 4th, Andrew Mangiapane 6th
Carolina-(6) [Frederik Andersen 7th], Jaccob Slavin 4th, Brett Pesce 3rd, Lucas Wallmark 4th, Warren Foegele 3rd, Steven Lorentz 7th, Nicolas Roy 4th
Chicago-(8) Niklas Hjarmalsson 4th, Joakim Nordstrom 3rd, Andrew Shaw 5th, Vinny Hinostroza 6th, John Hayden 3rd, Tyler Motte 4th, Dennis Gilbert 3rd, Philipp Kurasev 4th
Colorado-(3) Brad Richardson 5th, Tyson Barrie 3rd, Will Butcher 5th
Columbus-(13) Kris Russell 3rd, Matt Calvert 5th, Cam Atkinson 6th, David Savard 4th, Keegan Kolesar 3rd, Mike Reilly 4th, Joonas Korpisalo 3rd, Josh Anderson 4th, Oliver Bjorkstrand 3rd, Elvis Merzlikins 3rd, Vladislav Gavrikov 6th, Markus Nutivaara 7th, Emil Bemstrom 4th
Dallas-(8) Mike Smith 5th, Colton Sceviour 4th, Jamie Benn 5th, Reilly Smith 3rd, John Klingberg 5th, Esa Lindell 3rd, Nick Paul 4th. Nicholas Caamano 5th
Detroit-(6) Valteri Filppula 3rd, Darren Helm 5th, Nick Jensen 5th, Petr Mzazek 5th, Andreas Atnanasiou 4th, Matthias Janmark-Nylen 3rd
Edmonton-(7) Tobias Rieder 4th, Erik Gustafsson 4th, Jujhar Khaira 3rd, William Lagesson 4th, Caleb Jones 4th, Ethan Bear 5th, John Marino 6th
Florida-(9) Evgeny Dadonov 3rd, Joonas Donskoi 4th, Zach Hymen 5th, Vincent Trochek 3rd, Josh Brown 6th, Mackenzie Weegar 7th, Juho Lammikko 3rd, Kyle Rau 3rd, Riley Stillman 4th
Los Angeles-(11) Jonathan Quick 3rd, Alec Martinez 4th, Nicolas Deslauriers 3rd, Colin Miller 5th, Dominik Kubalik 7th, Mike Amadio 3rd, Jacob Middleton 7th, Austin Wagner 4th, Matt Roy 7th, Nic Dowd 7th, Michael Anderson 4th
Minnesota-(8) Cal Clutterbuck 3rd, Darcy Kuemper 6th, Erik Haula 7th, Tyler Graovac 7th, Nick Seeler 5th, Kurtis Gabriel 3rd , Kirill Kaprizov 5th , Kaapo Kakhonen 4th
Montreal-(4) Jaroslav Halak 9th, Jake Evans 7th, Brendan Gallagher 5th, Victor Mete 4th
Nashville-(7) Patrik Hornqvist 7th, Craig Smith 4th, Mattias Ekholm 4th, Anthony Bitetto 6th, Jimmy Vesey 3rd, Juuse Saros 4th, Viktor Arvidsson 4th
New Jersey-(8) Adam Henrique 3rd, Blake Coleman 3rd, Alex Kerfoot 5th, Miles Wood 4th, Jesper Bratt 6th, Mikhail Maltsev 4th, Yegor Sharagovich 5th scott Wedgewood 3rd
NY Islanders-(8) Zdeno Chara 3rd, Matt Martin 5th, Jared Spurgeon 6th, Ilya Sorokin 3rd, Casey Cizikas 4th, Anders Lee 6th, Adam Pelech 3rd, Devon Toews 4th
NY Rangers-(6) Carl Hagelin 6th, Jesper Fast 6th, Pavel Buchnevich 3rd, Anthony Duclair 3rd, Ryan Graves 4th, Igor Shesterkin 4th
Ottawa-(13) Brian Elliott 9th, Derek Grant 4th, Mark Borowiecki 5th, Mike Hoffman 5th, Mark Stone 6th, Jean Gabriel Pageau 4th, Ryan Dzingel 7th, Chris Driedger 3rd, Marcus Hogberg 3rd, Drake Batherson 4th, Christian Wolanin 4th, Frederik Claesson 5th, Joey Daccord 7th
Philadelphia-(6) Patrick Maroon 6th, Zac Rinaldo 6th, Nick Cousins 3rd, Shane Gostisbehere 3rd, Oskar Lindblom 5th, Mark Friedman 3rd
Pittsburgh-(9) Kris Letang 3rd, Robert Bortuzzo 3rd, Jake Muzzin 5th, Bryan Rust 3rd, Josh Archibald 6th, Oskar Sundqvist 3rd, Matt Murray 3rd, Jake Guentzel 3rd, Sam Lafferty 4th
St. Louis-(9) Ryan Reaves 5th, Jordan Binnington 3rd, Mackenzie MacEachern 3rd, Colton Parayko 3rd, Sammy Blais 6th, Niko Mikkola 5th, Jake Walman 3rd, Jani Hakanpaa 4th, Ville Husso 4th
San Jose-(12) Joe Pavelski 7th, Thomas Greiss 3rd,, Nick Bonino 6th, Justin Braun 7th, Jason Demers 7th, Sean Kuraly 5th, Dylan DeMelo 6th, Kevin Labanc 6th, Rudolf Balcers 5th, John Leonard 6th, Colin Blackwell 7th, Joachim Blichfield 7th,
Tampa Bay-(9) Alex Killorn 3rd, Radko Gudas 3rd, Ondrej Palat 7th, Cedric Paquette 4th, Nikita Gusev 7th, Brayden Point 3rd, Anthony Cirelli 3rd, Mathieu Joseph 4th, Nikita Nesterov 5th
Toronto-(11) Anton Stralman 7th, James Reimer 4th, Adam Brooks 4th, Leo Komarov 6th, Carl Gunnarson 7th, Josh Leivo 3rd, Andreas Johnsson 7th, Connor Brown 6th, Carter Verhaeghe 3rd, Pierre Engvall 7th, Dakota Joshua 5th
Vancouver-(5) Alex Edler 3rd, Ben Hutton 5th, Adam Gaudette 5th Kevin Connaughton 3rd, Gustav Forsling 5th
Vegas-(0)
Washington-(8) Mathieu Perreault 6th, Braden Holtby 4th, Cody Eakin 3rd, Philipp Grubauer 4th, Chandler Stephenson 3rd, Travis Boyd 6th, Christian Djoos 7th, Nathan Walker 3rd
Winnipeg-(7) Ben Chiarot 4th, Adam Lowry 3rd, Connor Hellebuyck 5th, Tucker Poolman 5th, Andrew Copp 4th, Sami Niku 7th, Mason Appleton 6th


237 players current NHLers drafted after the second round or an average of about 8 per team.


Edit: Add 2nd rd comparison

Second round draft picks who have played in the 2020-21 NHL regular season including games of March 17th, 2021.
By drafting team:

Anaheim (6) Comtois, Karlsson, Montour, Schultz, M Pettersen, Gibson
Arizona (3) Dvorak, Fischer, Martinook
Boston (8) Krecji, Studnicki, Lucic, Bergeron, Donato, Carlo, Lauzon, R Lindgren
Buffalo (5) Lemieux, Compher, Bailey, Aspland, McCabe
Calgary (3) Dube, Kylington, Andersson
Carolina (10) McGinn, Luotstarinen, Kuokanen, DiGiuseppe, Aho, Rask, Dumoulin, Faulk, Alt, Nedeljkovic
Chicago (6) Dibrincat, Pirri, Saad, Keith, I Mitchell, Holl
Colorado (6) Stastny, O'Reilly, Gaunce, Timmins, Meloche, Pickard
Columbus (5) Texier, Jenner, Stenlund, Peeke, Dansk
Dallas (8) Chiasson, B Ritchie, Dv Shore, Neal, Robertson, Eriksson, Hintz, Nemeth
Detroit (8) Jarnkrok, G Smith, Frk, Jurco, Tatar, Bertuzzi, Hronek, Ouellet
Edmonton (2) Pitlick, Petry
Florida (5) Heponiemi, Dr Shore, Hawryluk, Grimaldi, Markstrom
Los Angeles (7) Kaliyev, Anderson-Dolan, Clifford, Toffoli, Simmonds, Cernak, Clague
Minnesota (4) Zucker, J Larsson, Greenway, Scandella
Montreal (4) Lekhonen, De la Rose, Romanov, Subban
Nashville (5) Sissons, Trenin, Josi, Girard, Weber
New Jersey (5) Boquist, Bastian, Severson, Merrill, Blackwood
NY Islanders (4) Comeau, Mayfield, Hamonic, Koskinen
NY Rangers (2) Anisimov, Stepan
Ottawa (3) Chlapik, Silfverberg, Lehner
Philadelphia (3) Aube-Kubel, Hagg, Hart
Pittsburgh (7) Sprong, Blueger, Goligoski, Addison, Harrington, Gustavsson, Jarry
St. Louis (8) Soderberg, Backes, Barbashev, Kyrou, Carrier, Edmundson, Dunn, Allen
San Jose (5) Gambrell, Nieto, Vlasic, Tierney, Ferraro
Tampa Bay (5) Erne, Volkov, Stephens, Panik, Hajek
Toronto (3) Grundstrom, N Robertson, Dermott
Vancouver (2) Hoglander, Demko
Vegas (1) Hague
Washington (5) Sanford, Orlov, Siegenthaler, Bowey, Vanecek
Winnipeg (4) Gustafsson, Harkins, Petan, Comrie


152 players, average of ~5 second rounders per team
 
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With the 2020/21 NHL season complete, a new comparison.

Same idea as the first post table, this table represents everyone who played in a game this season in the NHL, traced back to their original drafting/signing team...

Season stats for 2020-2021 NHL regular season by Original Drafting/Signing team Comparison

#(G+D+F)GoalsPointsDmn GDmn PtsFwd GoalsFwd Pts
Ana37(2+17+18)15544639172116273
Arz33(4+13+16)13638633132103254
Bos39(4+12+23)20158029171172409
Buf40(5+13+22)15540226106129295
Cal24(4+8+12)1213982513196267
Car32(1+9+22)17749727111150385
Chi41(4+11+26)1865451789169454
Col22(1+7+14)14343719128124309
Clb39(6+12+21)16148212116149366
Dal35(4+8+23)17247133133139335
Det31(1+9+21)1293531471115282
Edm33(2+11+20)21657638134178442
Fla31(3+10+18)1694172484145333
LA46(4+14+28)22755339166188387
Min26(3+8+15)16741429132138280
Mtl26(3+11+12)77223158262141
Nas30(2+12+16)15545142191113259
NJ32(3+9+20)1664091175155334
NYI32(2+12+18)19353134149159380
NYR32(3+10+19)1474142097127316
Ott39(5+11+23)2085212196187421
Phi39(4+11+24)1784422990149351
Pit33(5+8+20)17148116106155368
StL31(3+9+19)1483942183127310
SJ44(6+11+27)181445863173382
TB32(2+8+22)1884701569173396
Tor40(3+12+25)2045091688188419
Van24(1+12+11)1072891710390186
Veg8(1+4+3)3110012481952
Was34(5+8+21)1864812695186481
Win27(2+9+16)167425851159374

To explain the table, using the Ducks as an example, 37 players drafted or originally signed by them played in the NHL in 2020-21 regular season (2 goaltenders+17 dmen+18 forwards). They combined for 155 goals and 446 points, broken down by dmen (39+172) and forwards (116+273).

Also included in the total points are goaltenders assists (40 total). At least all teams played the same number of games this season, albeit within their divisions.
 
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Who drafted or originally signed the players on the 2021-22 NHL rosters? And how many of those players were with their original drafting/signing team?

2021-22 NHL Original Drafting/Signing team Comparison ( based on players on opening rosters October 12th, 2021)

TeamTotalGoalDmenFwds(On Roster)
Anaheim2821115(16)
Arizona2311012(7)
Boston282917(12)
Buffalo3231118(10)
Calgary18279(9)
Carolina322822(9)
Chicago293719(7)
Colorado191711(10)
Columbus2931115(13)
Dallas293719(11)
Detroit251816(10)
Edmonton2701116(12)
Florida263815(8)
Los Angeles3631221(15)
Minnesota213612(8)
Montreal19289(8)
Nashville272916(11)
New Jersey242616(15)
NY Islanders2731014(17)
NY Rangers213612(7)
Ottawa293917(9)
Philadelphia283916(15)
Pittsburgh264616(14)
St. Louis273816(11)
San Jose302820(16)
Seattle0000(0)
Tampa Bay272619(13)
Toronto261817(9)
Vancouver19199(10)
Vegas9045(6)
Washington265516(10)
Winnipeg242814(13)

To explain the numbers, using Anaheim, 28 players they drafted or originally signed made opening rosters. The breakdown of the 28 players was 15 forwards, 11 dmen and 2 goaltenders. Of the 28 players, 16 of those were on the Ducks opening roster.

The youngest player to make a roster was Mason McTavish, the oldest Zdeno Chara, both players with their original drafting team.
 
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Chili

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Posted this awhile ago on the Habs forum, may be of interest. Last season's stats traced back to the players draft round plus the undrafted players' numbers.

Season stats for 2020-2021 NHL regular season by Drafting Round Comparison

Rd#% totalGoals% totalPoints%total
132932.6249949.8672649.7
216716.676815.3203915.1
31009.94298.511648.6
4868.53256.58556.3
5656.52124.25934.4
6474.72184.35624.2
74041753.54573.4
8/93.30020
ofa17417.33967.911448.5

By my count 1008 different players played in an NHL game last season and scored 5022 goals and totalled 13542 points.

The above table breaks it down by round, added percentages of those totals.

I`ll use the 1st round to explain the numbers: 329 players (32.6 % of 1008) scored 2499 goals (49.8% of 5022) and totalled 6726 points (49.7 % of 13542) last season.

Gives a little idea of how teams value draft picks.
 
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Chili

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To December 1st, 2021 a comparison of the birthplace of players who have played in the NHL in the 2021-22 season (879 players):

Country#% total
Canada38043.2
USA24127.4
Sweden869.8
Finland475.3
Russia465.2
Czech. Rep.283.2
Switzerland121.4
Slovakia91.0
Germany70.8
Others232.7

Others: Denmark 5, Latvia 4, France 3, Austria, Belarus 2, Bulgaria, England, Estonia, Kazakhstan, Netherlands, Norway, Slovenia 1

Canada: Ontario 175, Quebec 50, Alberta 48, BC 38, Manitoba 27, Saskatchewan 25, Nova Scotia 9, PEI 3, New Brunswick, Newfoundland 2, Yukon 1

USA: Min 41, Mich 30, Mass 23, NY 22, Wisc 14, ILL, NJ 11, Fla 10, Cal 9, MO, OH 8, CT 7, Col, Tex, Was 5, Arz, PA 4, Ind 3, AK, IA, ME, ND, Neb, NH, OR 2, Ala, Miss, NC, OK, SC, SD, UT 1

Top cities: Toronto 26, Calgary 16, Winnipeg 14, London Ont 12, Mississauga, Moscow, Stockholm 11, Edmonton 10

Avg Ht: 6.01.2
Avg Wt: 198
Avg Age: 26.88
 
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Overall, Habs are very weak. Thanks to Trevor Timmins and Bergevin.

Good they they had been kicked out recently.
 

Chili

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A new comparison for the season just ended...


Season stats for 2021-2022 NHL regular season by Original Drafting/Signing team Comparison

To explain the table, using the Ducks as an example, 39 players drafted or originally signed by them played in the NHL in 2021-22 regular season (4 goaltenders+14 dmen+21 forwards). They combined for 252 goals and 724 points, broken down by dmen (65+281) and forwards (187+438) plus 5 assists from goaltenders.

Also included in the total points are goaltenders assists (45 total).

Team
#
(G+D+F)
Games
Goals
Points
Dman G
Dman Pts
Fwd Goals
Fwd Pts
Ana​
39​
(4+14+21)​
1,782​
252​
724​
65
281​
187​
438​
Arz​
40​
(4+16+20)​
1,554​
204​
613​
34​
157​
170​
454​
Bos​
39​
(4+11+24)​
1,789​
296​
780​
45​
211​
251​
568​
Buf​
45​
(4+16+25)​
2,062​
280​
745​
40​
215​
240​
529​
Cal​
26​
(3+9+14)​
1,286​
256​
725​
43​
248​
213​
476​
Car​
33​
(3+8+22)​
1,867​
327​
839​
50​
221​
277​
616​
Chi​
44​
(5+15+24)​
1,959​
337​
940​
27​
136​
310​
802
Col​
30​
(4+9+17)​
1,163​
274​
718​
53​
196​
221​
521​
Clb​
44​
(4+15+25)​
1,957​
316​
856​
39​
188​
277​
666​
Dal​
39​
(4+9+26)​
1,832​
246​
662​
23​
172​
223​
486​
Det​
32​
(1+9+22)​
1,692​
251​
676​
23​
145​
228​
531​
Edm​
30​
(1+13+16)​
1,579​
265​
764​
47​
211​
218​
553​
Fla​
34​
(4+9+21)​
1,647​
270​
741​
51​
196​
219​
542​
Lak​
52
(4+17+31)​
2,139
280​
726​
31​
160​
249​
564​
Min​
31​
(3+7+21)​
1,517​
242​
677​
39​
173​
203​
503​
Mtl​
33​
(6+12+15)​
1,123​
147​
391​
23​
121​
124​
270​
Nas​
29​
(3+8+18)​
1,801​
271​
811​
53​
297
218​
514​
Njd​
40​
(5+10+25)​
1,589​
262​
691​
31​
130​
231​
561​
NYI​
32​
(2+13+17)​
1,784​
296​
807​
62​
270​
234​
537​
NYR​
31​
(4+11+16)​
1,480​
271​
713​
34​
167​
237​
544​
Ott​
44​
(6+13+25)​
1,659​
255​
706​
33​
163​
222​
542​
Phl​
42​
(5+11+26)​
1,639​
226​
609​
38​
147​
188​
460​
Pit​
37​
(5+11+21)​
1,512​
236​
654​
20​
137​
216​
513​
Stl​
34​
(4+10+20)​
1,579​
287​
776​
45​
194​
242​
581​
Sjs​
45​
(7+10+28)​
1,801​
286​
710​
15​
76​
271​
633​
Sea​
1​
(0+0+1)​
10​
3​
9​
0​
0​
3​
9​
Tbl​
37​
(4+8+25)​
1,601​
308​
822​
36​
172​
272​
649​
Tor​
41​
(4+11+26)​
1,839​
368
983
43​
201​
325
782​
Van​
27​
(3+11+13)​
1,204​
189​
483​
32​
174​
157​
307​
Veg​
17​
(1+8+8)​
488​
49​
159​
15​
61​
34​
98​
Was​
42​
(6+10+26)​
1,748​
324​
824​
42​
170​
282​
653​
Win​
33​
(2+11+20)​
1,345​
276​
644​
37​
142​
239​
499​
Avg​
35​
1,563​
255​
687​
37​
173​
218​
512​

Misc: By my count, there were 1,123 different players in the NHL this past season (119 goaltenders, 345 dmen and 659 forwards).

They scored 8,150 goals and totaled 21,978 points

170 players made their NHL debut (136 drafted players and 34 undrafted).

Was cool to see a full 82 game season again!

Edit: Games played and averages for the columns added 19 Dec 2022
 
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Chili

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Posted this awhile ago on the Habs forum, may be of interest. Last season's stats traced back to the players draft round plus the undrafted players' numbers.

Season stats for 2020-2021 NHL regular season by Drafting Round Comparison

Rd#% totalGoals% totalPoints%total
132932.6249949.8672649.7
216716.676815.3203915.1
31009.94298.511648.6
4868.53256.58556.3
5656.52124.25934.4
6474.72184.35624.2
74041753.54573.4
8/93.30020
ofa17417.33967.911448.5

By my count 1008 different players played in an NHL game last season and scored 5022 goals and totalled 13542 points.

The above table breaks it down by round, added percentages of those totals.

I`ll use the 1st round to explain the numbers: 329 players (32.6 % of 1008) scored 2499 goals (49.8% of 5022) and totalled 6726 points (49.7 % of 13542) last season.

Gives a little idea of how teams value draft picks.
Made this comparison at the end of last season, wanted to see how this season compared..

Season stats for 2021-2022 NHL regular season by Drafting Round Comparison

Rd#% totalGoals% totalPoints%total
135932429952.71141952
218916.8112913.9308714
312811.4653818188.3
4928.24946.114226.5
5726.43874.79844.5
6554.92943.67583.5
7423.72362.96392.9
92.20000
ofa18416.46588.118518.4

By my count 1,123 different players played in an NHL game last season and scored 8,150 goals and totalled 21,978 points.

The above table breaks it down by round, added percentages of those totals.

Using the 1st round to explain the numbers: 359 players (32 % of 1,123) scored 4,299 goals (52.7% of 8,150) and totalled 11,419 points (52% of 21,978) last season.

The turnover; 123 players who played in a regular season game in 2020-21 did not appear in a game in 2021-22.
238 players played in 2021-22 who did not appear in a game the previous year (170 NHL debuts + 2 other regular season debuts 66 players who had played in the NHL in prior seasons.

The scoring bump seems reflected in comparing the two seasons (5.78 average goals per game increased to 6.21 in 2021-22).
 
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So exclusing Vegas and Seattle, Montréal in 2022 was dead last overall, dead last for forward and 29/30 for defensemen.
 

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So exclusing Vegas and Seattle, Montréal in 2022 was dead last overall, dead last for forward and 29/30 for defensemen.

Montreal is dead overall for both total goals and total points, and by pretty huge margins.

And in fact - they were also dead overall in both in 2021. The 2022 season actually saw an improvement if you could believe that.
 
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Sorry for touting my own horn, but I made a tool as a project that compiles "draft scores" from all of the NHL's draft history. The score (for now I guess) is simply the number of games played by the draftees (regardless of which team they play for).

Hockey Tools

If you start from the legendary 2008 drafts, you can see that Montréal really is one of the worst teams in the league at drafting.... From 2015 on, it seems to be getting better, but as the OP shows, we may be drafting players that play lots of games, but they don't score lots of point...
 

Chili

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I did run the games played totals for last season, based on the original drafting/signing teams. Corresponds to the teams and their totals in post 43 above (didn`t seem to have room to add them at the time).

Ana 1782
Arz 1554
Bos 1789
Buf 2062
Cal 1286
Car 1867
Chi 1959
Col 1163
Clb 1957
Dal 1832
Det 1692
Edm 1579
Fla 1647
LAK 2139
Min 1517
Mtl 1123
Nas 1801
NJD 1589
NYI 1784
NYR 1480
Ott 1659
Phl 1639
Pit 1512
STL 1579
SJS 1801
Sea 10
TBL 1601
Tor 1839
Van 1204
Veg 488
Was 1748
Win 1345

Total of 50,027 games played last season.

The interesting number for me was Colorado`s total (29th). They haven`t found alot of players lately but they have made some excellent high picks
 
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The interesting number for me was Colorado`s total (29th). They haven`t found alot of players lately but they have made some excellent high picks

Yeah we've noticed

It does maybe show that there isn't that much to be gained from using home-grown plugs as opposed to free market plugs. Some teams might be overplaying their cost controlled guys just because it would be great if they outperformed their contracts. But in seeking that out teams end up performing all kinds of sunk cost fallacy weighting of their assets.

"We spent a 1st round pick on this guy. We have to give him a shot in the NHL"

Like... do you? What if he's not any good? Just because you blew a pick on him doesn't mean putting him on your roster is a good decision.


And part of it is just random for the Avs. Instead of getting back all picks in trades we've gotten back Girard (5 games played), J. T. Compher (0 Games played) and have shipped out two firsts, two seconds and two thirds for Varlamov, Grubauer, Kuemper, and Georgiev.

While it's obviously better for your picks to land than to miss, there may be a market inefficiency in overvaluing a lottery tickets vs hard currency.
 
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Yeah we've noticed

It does maybe show that there isn't that much to be gained from using home-grown plugs as opposed to free market plugs. Some teams might be overplaying their cost controlled guys just because it would be great if they outperformed their contracts. But in seeking that out teams end up performing all kinds of sunk cost fallacy weighting of their assets.

"We spent a 1st round pick on this guy. We have to give him a shot in the NHL"

Like... do you? What if he's not any good? Just because you blew a pick on him doesn't mean putting him on your roster is a good decision.


And part of it is just random for the Avs. Instead of getting back all picks in trades we've gotten back Girard (5 games played), J. T. Compher (0 Games played) and have shipped out two firsts, two seconds and two thirds for Varlamov, Grubauer, Kuemper, and Georgiev.

While it's obviously better for your picks to land than to miss, there may be a market inefficiency in overvaluing a lottery tickets vs hard currency.
Seems like there is at least one similar trait to last year's Avs and other Cup teams: Their core was largely built through the draft, guys that were there as they learned to win as a team. The Wings had a bit of a similar blue print when they used to bring in a bunch veterans in the summer but the core was mostly the same. Seems clear they have done a bunch of things right in building their team. The challenge is stay up there because everyone wants to be paid once a team has success, that's where the draft can help replace guys moving on with low salaried players.
 
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