Who do you miss more, Nick or Zetts?

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  1. dragonballgtz

    dragonballgtz Registered User

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    Thats a lie, Lidstrom had me impressed all the time. Sorry not sorry but I never felt a need to watch a game because Z was playing.
     
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    Lids by a mile - he never really lost the smarts, grace and skill (maybe a bit of speed). I love Z, but while he never took a shift off he was laboring like an old Stevie Y for a long time.
     
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    Hank was good but id say they miss Lids way more. The season after he retired, you could tell they missed that. With hank retiring, its like whose next up. I dont miss him. He was a great 2 way center on pair with Bergeron. Still think 91 needs to be retired over 40 everyday. Hank didnt do enough to me for jersey retirement.
     
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    I miss seeing Lidstrom control the play like no other for 30 minutes a night. The guy was a machine back there.

    I liked watching Z more, though - especially in the playoffs. I'm not sure I remember seeing one elite player so consistently get under the skin and shadow other elite players. Z didn't just outplay whoever was across from him, he pissed them off. It was fun and weird to watch.
     
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    Kronwalled55 Thank you, #55

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    Lidstrom was on another level. The guy won a Norris in his 40s.

    I still say he was the greatest defensemen to ever play the game. The offensive mindset, the amount of minutes, and the quality of competition he shut down every game. Truly unreal.
     
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    I think @Winger98 summed up my feelings extremely well.

    As I read all of your responses, I keep tilting my choice back and forth. And ultimately we are all so lucky to have seen both of these players compete together during peak years. What a treat. I really miss both of them on the ice so damn much.
     
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    Lidstrom was a generational talent. He read plays before they were even started. He knew what you were going to do before you did. Look at his offensive numbers and realize he was defensive defenseman. He was "chipping in" on offense when he could. He was an incredible player.

    Zetterberg was a really good player
     
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    I agree with everything you said about Lidstrom but I'll quibble about the Zetterberg comment. Z, at his peak, was a top 2 player in the world with Datsyuk. Those 2 were dominant on both sides of the puck.

    There was a span there where other fans could not believe after enduring Yzerman and Fedorov that somehow the Wings now had another completely dominant duo.
     
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    I still think peak Zetterberg (07-08) was better than peak Datsyuk.... datsyuk sustained a higher level of play though
     
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    It's incredible what a heads up player he was. It's how he almost never got hit in spite of everyone targeting him.

    He so rarely looked down I'm not sure he'd recognize his skates if they weren't on his feet.
     
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    Agreed. And I think Z's playoff performances are underrated.

    For a long while didn't he lead the league in playoff goals since the lockout?
     
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    Both were absolutley awesome, lidstrom of course is one of the best players to ever play the game. Z on the other hand is severly underrated at times, and his playing style and tenaciousnes were so much fun to watch. Its a tie for me

    Z was all heart and soul, and i'm glad that with larkin we have a guy who is stepping into this mold. You just can't not love a guy who is leaving it all on the ice every game
     
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    I gotta agree with you on that. Aand thats not really a knock on Zetterberg either, the wings have had some awesome players the last 30 years. Yzerman, Fedorov, Datsyuk and Lidstrom are all ahead and then I could see the Z argument at number 5. But then theres still guys like Shanahan who had multiple 40 goal seasons and could fight heavyweights. You've got Konstantinov whose time was short but he definitely made his mark. I wouldnt put them ahead of Zetterberg but from an entertainment stand point the Bruise Bros were fun to watch and so was McCarty in those cup years, plus the comeback story in 2008.

    So yeah Zetterberg might be number 5, I think hes number 6 for me (behind Shanny) but he isnt a runaway from Vlad either.

    I met McCarty at a wings game and we were talking and my bro mentioned that it was awesome when he came back in 08. DMacs reply was "Buddy, Kenny has never won a ****ing cup without me" lol
     
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    Probably my two favorite players ever but for me it's Lidstrom easily.
     
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    I think Z's back issues were worse than us fans knew, and we knew they were bad. And he played through them, and was still a top player.
     
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    Nick. A real machine on the back end. As many others have said you build teams out from this position of strength. He was generational. Z is a close second and one of my all timer faves, but you asked us to choose, so i did.
     
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    If you put together a best ever Wings team from players across all eras, Z probably makes the team. 5 is the undisputed #1 Dman and plays top minutes for this team.
     
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    Lidstrom. He just made it sooooo easy for the rest of the team.
     
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    Lidstrom, this one is tough though because I really like both guys. We were fortunate to have both for a long time.
     
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    Lidstrom. Elite player. One of the all time greats at his position and a key player for so much greatness.

    Wish the Babsocks crew made a Perfect Human pair.
     
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    Lidstrom, period and I don't even have to second guess. He's one of the complete players we'll maybe never have again but at the same time Hank is a hero and will be loved forever

    Either way we were beyond blessed to have Nick, Stevie, Dats, Hank and players like Shanahan/Fedirov all in that small amount of time

    Why do I still get racked with anxiety still watching this years later
     
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    Lidstrom could come back right now and be our best defenseman.

    So, him.
     
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    Selfishly I wish he played until he was Chelios’ age and we all know he could have done it. But I respect his reasons once you’re not the best of the best it’s hard to lower your own standards. Still, the guy would’ve been a top 4dman for at least another 5 seasons with that genius hockey IQ. Would’ve loved to have him in that Chicago series. Z was done, battered, and broken. I would’ve liked to see him hit 1000pts but it is what it is. He earned the right to retire with the pain he endured. To answer the question I miss Stevie the most.
     
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    Five bucks says he doesn't screen Howard like Kronwall did in game 7
     

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