Necrobutcher
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Yeah. Everyone is aware of this. It's just a term people use.Just to clear up some things here: it’s not a nomination. There’s top3 which is announced - but at that point the winner is already decided (by voting).
Yeah. Everyone is aware of this. It's just a term people use.Just to clear up some things here: it’s not a nomination. There’s top3 which is announced - but at that point the winner is already decided (by voting).
So little love for Saros.
I’d bet half of what I own on that not nearly everyone is aware, actually.Yeah. Everyone is aware of this. It's just a term people use.
Given how bad Tampa’s defense has been this year you could make a strong case for Vasi for the Hart.
He had his usual slow start to the season, did he not? Hard to vote for a guy who comes out of the gate slowly when there are guys who have been consistently good all year. He has been great in the final 2/3 of the season though.So little love for Saros.
I don't agree with this logic. He might have had a slow start but i'm not even sure if it was his play or the fact that the team was overall just horrible. Now he's the MVP of a definsively not so great playoff team whose leading point producer is 93rd in scoring in the league.He had his usual slow start to the season, did he not? Hard to vote for a guy who comes out of the gate slowly when there are guys who have been consistently good all year. He has been great in the final 2/3 of the season though.
Vasilevsky
Fleury
Grubauer
The logic is pretty simple. We have 3 goalies who have been outstanding all season long, and one who has been outstanding for most of the season, but had a slow start? The most valuable goalie needs to be one that was most valuable for the entire season to me.I don't agree with this logic. He might have had a slow start but i'm not even sure if it was his play or the fact that the team was overall just horrible. Now he's the MVP of a definsively not so great playoff team whose leading point producer is 93rd in scoring in the league.
Yeah consistently good playing for juggernaut teams. In Saros we have a goalie who has played outstanding in a subpar team. That is more impressive in my eyes. But he will never win it cuz he doesn't play for a flashy big market team..He had his usual slow start to the season, did he not? Hard to vote for a guy who comes out of the gate slowly when there are guys who have been consistently good all year. He has been great in the final 2/3 of the season though.
Vasilevsky
Fleury
Grubauer
His teammate won the Norris last year, lets hold the "woah as me, big market" blues out of this. I don't understand how having a below average start to the season can be more impressive to you, but okay. Saros is a notorious slow starter, and he had the same issue this season. You can't just pretend that a bad part of the season didn't happen.Yeah consistently good playing for juggernaut teams. In Saros we have a goalie who has played outstanding in a subpar team. That is more impressive in my eyes. But he will never win it cuz he doesn't play for a flashy big market team..
He had his usual slow start to the season, did he not? Hard to vote for a guy who comes out of the gate slowly when there are guys who have been consistently good all year. He has been great in the final 2/3 of the season though.
Vasilevsky
Fleury
Grubauer
Josi is a established star in the league, its not the same thing. I don't pretend his slow start didn't happen. But i don't care about that when he has carried this Preds team a while now this season. They would not be in a playoff spot without him.His teammate won the Norris last year, lets hold the "woah as me, big market" blues out of this. I don't understand how having a below average start to the season can be more impressive to you, but okay. Saros is a notorious slow starter, and he had the same issue this season. You can't just pretend that a bad part of the season didn't happen.
I wasn't commenting on how it is or should be, just my opinion on who I would have as my final 3.Yeah I disagree with this completely. Maybe you're saying that's "how it should be" - and that's your opinion and that's fine. But in terms of "how it is" - I think there's a long history of hart winners who get hot for last 2/3 of the season, or the 2nd half only. Off the top of my head, Forsberg in 2003 or Ovechkin in 2013. To a certain extent, Carey Price and Jose Theodore both mostly won the hart based on their end of season, moreso then start of season. Probably a lot of other examples too.
Considering goalie stats are all about averages and that Saros's stats are as good as Vasi despite his slower start, I don't think this will hurt him in any voting. If it had been the other way - hot start and slow finish, maybe.
Vasi
Fleury
Saros
Varly
Grubauer
Note: This is in NO particular order.
He had his usual slow start to the season, did he not? Hard to vote for a guy who comes out of the gate slowly when there are guys who have been consistently good all year. He has been great in the final 2/3 of the season though.
Vasilevsky
Fleury
Grubauer
My list too. Can we nominate Mike Smith for the best old guy goalie award too? That's a thing right.