Which teams suck at drafting?

[mouser]

problem with that is the Rangers are not bad at drafting in the 1st round

McIlrath and Huge Specimen created this notion

Depends on the time table you're looking at.

2006: Bob Sanguinetti (45 games)
2005: good pick
2004: Al Montoya (168 games)
2003: Hugh Jessiman (2 games)
2002: no 1st round pick
2001: Dan Blackburn (yeah, injuries) (63 games)
2000: no 1st round pick
1999: Pavel Brendl (78 games)
1998: "good pick" given the alternatives
1997: Stefan Cherneski (0 games)
1996: Jeff Brown (0 games)

 

[Frankie Blueberries]

Penguins suck at drafting overall

Letang, Goligoski, Moulson, Murray, Maatta, Muzzin, Guentzel, Kapanen, etc. disqualify Pittsburgh from being the worst drafting team. Not sure if you're fishing for compliments though.
They've only really botched the Pouliot pick recently. Most of their high picks were consensus picks.

 

[Spawn]

The Oilers haven't truly "hit" on a player outside of the 1st round since Jeff Petry. And that was 12 years ago.

The handful of other guys who have managed to crack an NHL roster are bottom line/pairing guys, the vast majority of whom flame out of the NHL sooner rather than later.

Lots of Oiler fans like to say that things have turned around under Chiarelli... the only player we've drafted under those guys who has succeeded in the NHL so far is McDavid. Not sure you deserve much credit for that pick. Need to see some dividends in the NHL before I'll believe the drafting has turned around.

 

[Pens x]

Letang, Goligoski, Moulson, Murray, Maatta, Muzzin, Guentzel, Kapanen, etc. disqualify Pittsburgh from being the worst drafting team. Not sure if you're fishing for compliments though.
They've only really botched the Pouliot pick recently. Most of their high picks were consensus picks.

2007:
20th overall - Angelo Esposito
51st overall - Kevin Veilleux
78th overall - Robert Bortuzzo
80th overall - Casey Pierro Zabotel

2008:
120th overall - Nathan Moon
-they had no decent draft picks in this draft due to trades

2009:
30th overall - Simon Despres
61st overall - Philip Samuelsson
63rd overall - Ben Hanowski

2010:
20th overall - Beau Bennett
80th overall - Bryan Rust (good pick)

2011:
23rd overall - Joe Morrow
54th overall - Scott Harrington

2012:
8th overal - Derrick Pouliot (drafted way too early)
22nd overall - Olli Maatta (good pick)
52nd overall - Teddy Blueger
81st overall - Oskar Sundqvist
83rd overall - Matt Murray (great pick)

2013:
44th overall - Tristan Jarry
77th overall - Jake Guentzel (great pick)

2014:
22nd overall - K. Kapanen

2015:
46th overall - Daniel Sprong

2016:
55th overall - Filip Gustavsson
61st overall - Kasperi Bjorkvist
77th overall - Connor Hall

2017:
51st overall - Zachary Lauzon
93rd overall - Clayton Phillips

That is a very unimpressive list for a 10 year period. Shero was absolutely terrible at drafting. We wasted picks on so many friggin puck moving Dmen that never developed into regulars.

 

[Sergei Shirokov]

Huge Specimen 12th overall in stacked 03 draft
McilTrash 10th overall 2010
Brendl 4th overall
Lundmark 6th overall
(probably) Lias Andersson @ 7th overall

Good god, I still remember watching the 2010 draft... What they were thinking walking up to the podium before the pick I will never understand. Lmao

And I was thinking he might've be there for us @ 25.

 

[Bronson]

San Jose has one of the best drafting records IIRC

Maybe back in the days.

 

[DFAC]

Not counting the last few years, Vancouver's drafting since 2000 has been atrocious

 

[WingsMJN2965]

What if I told you that, in the last 20 years excluding top 2 picks, (If you can't hit a home run there you don't deserve it) Pittsburgh has drafted ONE Top six caliber forward.

Other than Guentzel, it's pretty brutal.

 

[NoMessi]

2007:
20th overall - Angelo Esposito
51st overall - Kevin Veilleux
78th overall - Robert Bortuzzo
80th overall - Casey Pierro Zabotel

2008:
120th overall - Nathan Moon
-they had no decent draft picks in this draft due to trades

2009:
30th overall - Simon Despres
61st overall - Philip Samuelsson
63rd overall - Ben Hanowski

2010:
20th overall - Beau Bennett
80th overall - Bryan Rust (good pick)

2011:
23rd overall - Joe Morrow
54th overall - Scott Harrington

2012:
8th overal - Derrick Pouliot (drafted way too early)
22nd overall - Olli Maatta (good pick)
52nd overall - Teddy Blueger
81st overall - Oskar Sundqvist
83rd overall - Matt Murray (great pick)

2013:
44th overall - Tristan Jarry
77th overall - Jake Guentzel (great pick)

2014:
22nd overall - K. Kapanen

2015:
46th overall - Daniel Sprong

2016:
55th overall - Filip Gustavsson
61st overall - Kasperi Bjorkvist
77th overall - Connor Hall

2017:
51st overall - Zachary Lauzon
93rd overall - Clayton Phillips

That is a very unimpressive list for a 10 year period. Shero was absolutely terrible at drafting. We wasted picks on so many friggin puck moving Dmen that never developed into regulars.

I bolded some players that brought value to our team. Some obvious, some through trades or some that would have if not for injuries.

 

[Pens x]

I bolded some players that brought value to our team. Some obvious, some through trades or some that would have if not for injuries.

Please tell me what value schmucks like Beau Bennett brought to our team? Scott Harrington? Hell, even Jarry.

 

[HarrisonFord]

The Buffalo Sabres

 

[kylbaz]

Bill Armstrong for the Blues has been extremely good given the spots he's been picking in the draft.

Fabbri
Edmundson
Parayko
Kyrou
Thomas
Dunn
And others who look good so far (Thompson, Kostin, Walman(had a bit of a rough year), Husso)

They were all post 20 OVR and a lot of them were late first/2nd with Parayko being a 3rd. Schwartz and Tarasenko were 14th and 16th

That's awesome... if that was the thread topic!

 

[WingsMJN2965]

I meant to edit my Pittsburgh criticism post to add that, to be fair, Detroit has sucked at drafting defenders over the last 20 years also.

Excluding Kronwall, the top three defenders they've drafted over that time have been Jonathan Ericsson, Kyle Quincey, and Brendan Smith.

Though FWIW I'm not including Jiri Fischer, who probably would've been even better than Kronwall if his career hadn't unfortunately ended at 25.

 

[jw2]

Pittsburgh , other than gimmes
Arizona

 

[Riddum]

Bergevin sucks at drafting. Bob Gainey was good though.

The Habs were better at developing talent ubder Bob. We flat out suck under Bergy

 

[BleedBlue14]

That's awesome... if that was the thread topic!

Agreed, I think a thread got merged or a comment removed or something. Not sure why I put this in here

 

[Martin Skoula]

A spreadsheet that blindly drafted the CHL player with the highest available PPG drafted over 2x better than the Canucks scouting staff over the course of a decade.

 

[Frankie Blueberries]

2007:
20th overall - Angelo Esposito
51st overall - Kevin Veilleux
78th overall - Robert Bortuzzo
80th overall - Casey Pierro Zabotel

2008:
120th overall - Nathan Moon
-they had no decent draft picks in this draft due to trades

2009:
30th overall - Simon Despres
61st overall - Philip Samuelsson
63rd overall - Ben Hanowski

2010:
20th overall - Beau Bennett
80th overall - Bryan Rust (good pick)

2011:
23rd overall - Joe Morrow
54th overall - Scott Harrington

2012:
8th overal - Derrick Pouliot (drafted way too early)
22nd overall - Olli Maatta (good pick)
52nd overall - Teddy Blueger
81st overall - Oskar Sundqvist
83rd overall - Matt Murray (great pick)

2013:
44th overall - Tristan Jarry
77th overall - Jake Guentzel (great pick)

2014:
22nd overall - K. Kapanen

2015:
46th overall - Daniel Sprong

2016:
55th overall - Filip Gustavsson
61st overall - Kasperi Bjorkvist
77th overall - Connor Hall

2017:
51st overall - Zachary Lauzon
93rd overall - Clayton Phillips

That is a very unimpressive list for a 10 year period. Shero was absolutely terrible at drafting. We wasted picks on so many friggin puck moving Dmen that never developed into regulars.

Still craps all over some other teams like Vancouver, New York Rangers, Florida outside of a few higher picks, LA over recent years, etc.

 

[Doyoulikeapples*]

Habs are atrocious at both drafting and developing.

 

[NoMessi]

Please tell me what value schmucks like Beau Bennett brought to our team? Scott Harrington? Hell, even Jarry.

Scott Harrington was a part in the deal with Phil Kessel.
Jarry is our backup goalie.
Bennett had injury problems.

 

[Pens x]

Scott Harrington was a part in the deal with Phil Kessel.
Jarry is our backup goalie.
Bennett had injury problems.

Oh yea, Harrington was the big piece in that Kessel trade. He was a thrown-in; the trade would have happened without him.

DeSmith is our back-up goalie

Is Bennett even in the league anymore? He’s never had any value.

I rest my case, the Pens have been awful at drafting since Staal, and even he was the wrong pick.

 

[Rodgerwilco]

2007:
20th overall - Angelo Esposito
51st overall - Kevin Veilleux
78th overall - Robert Bortuzzo
80th overall - Casey Pierro Zabotel

141st Overall - Jake Muzzin


2008:
120th overall - Nathan Moon
-they had no decent draft picks in this draft due to trades

2009:
30th overall - Simon Despres
61st overall - Philip Samuelsson
63rd overall - Ben Hanowski

2010:
20th overall - Beau Bennett (has had injury problems, but this wasn't really able to be predicted and has still played 200 NHL games in spite of injuries).
80th overall - Bryan Rust (good pick)

110th overall - Tom Kuhnhackl

2011:
23rd overall - Joe Morrow
54th overall - Scott Harrington
174th overall - Josh Archibald
209th overall - Scott Wilson

2012:
8th overal - Derrick Pouliot (drafted way too early)
22nd overall - Olli Maatta (good pick)
52nd overall - Teddy Blueger
81st overall - Oskar Sundqvist
83rd overall - Matt Murray (great pick)

2013:
44th overall - Tristan Jarry
77th overall - Jake Guentzel (great pick)

2014:
22nd overall - K. Kapanen

2015:
46th overall - Daniel Sprong

2016:
55th overall - Filip Gustavsson
61st overall - Kasperi Bjorkvist
77th overall - Connor Hall

2017:
51st overall - Zachary Lauzon
93rd overall - Clayton Phillips

That is a very unimpressive list for a 10 year period. Shero was absolutely terrible at drafting. We wasted picks on so many friggin puck moving Dmen that never developed into regulars.

I am not sure why you're calling this an "unimpressive list" ? Also, I'm curious why did you leave out the bolded players that I included to your list? Those are all legitimate NHLers (Archibald hasn't had a ton of success, but he did play in the Stanley Cup final and has his name on the cup). I also underlined a few guys who are NHL mainstays that you didn't indicate as "good picks". I feel like you're being a bit too harsh on their recent draft history. They've found strong NHL players in later rounds, some of them have even contributed to the recent cups.

Some of the ones who haven't contributed to the Penguins directly (kaspanen, harrington, Morrow, Samuelsson) were shipped for good returns, so it's not really fair to say that they "drafted poorly" in regard to these players because they were still good assets that were exchanged for other good assets so they were still good draft picks in terms of value.


It's too early to analyze any picks 2015 or sooner, considering that they weren't even 1st round picks, so it's not really like they were highly touted players who busted. It's not even possible to fairly evaluate them yet.

I think that Pittsburgh's best aspect of drafting is more in finding talent in later rounds.

 

[Jtown]

2007:
20th overall - Angelo Esposito
51st overall - Kevin Veilleux
78th overall - Robert Bortuzzo
80th overall - Casey Pierro Zabotel

2008:
120th overall - Nathan Moon
-they had no decent draft picks in this draft due to trades

2009:
30th overall - Simon Despres
61st overall - Philip Samuelsson
63rd overall - Ben Hanowski

2010:
20th overall - Beau Bennett
80th overall - Bryan Rust (good pick)

2011:
23rd overall - Joe Morrow
54th overall - Scott Harrington

2012:
8th overal - Derrick Pouliot (drafted way too early)
22nd overall - Olli Maatta (good pick)
52nd overall - Teddy Blueger
81st overall - Oskar Sundqvist
83rd overall - Matt Murray (great pick)

2013:
44th overall - Tristan Jarry
77th overall - Jake Guentzel (great pick)

2014:
22nd overall - K. Kapanen

2015:
46th overall - Daniel Sprong

2016:
55th overall - Filip Gustavsson
61st overall - Kasperi Bjorkvist
77th overall - Connor Hall

2017:
51st overall - Zachary Lauzon
93rd overall - Clayton Phillips

That is a very unimpressive list for a 10 year period. Shero was absolutely terrible at drafting. We wasted picks on so many friggin puck moving Dmen that never developed into regulars.

but i have to give Shero credit for seeing where the game was going. mobile dmen are the name of teh game today and he was ahead of the curve in that regard. The pouliot pick was a head scratcher but other than that i can't fault him for his other attempts. You also have to look at where you guys picked. personally I htought he did well considering how late you picked.

 

[Rodgerwilco]

but i have to give Shero credit for seeing where the game was going. mobile dmen are the name of teh game today and he was ahead of the curve in that regard. The pouliot pick was a head scratcher but other than that i can't fault him for his other attempts. You also have to look at where you guys picked. personally I htought he did well considering how late you picked.

This is another great point. I'm not sure why he expects the Penguins are going to get slam-dunk picks drafting late in the first round every single year. Since 2007 they've had ONE pick within the first 20 picks of each draft (and they traded up to #8 Overall to get that pick)...

 

[topshelf15]

all of the canadian teams.

nope