Which statement about 2nd assists is more accurate?

[daver]

1. The best playmaking forwards based on 1st assists will generally accumulate the most 2nd assists.

2. There is no correlation between playmaking skills and the accumulation of 2nd assists by forwards.

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[Varan]

idk if there is any agenda behind this, but it’s number 1. playmaking forwards (elite ones at that) will accumulate more assists (P and S) on average because they will have the puck on their stick more as they usually are the main driving force of the offense. it’s why OV used to rack up 50+ assists, because he was everywhere

 

[Midnight Judges]

How about the accurate option: there is some correlation but not nearly as much as there is with primary assists, and the reason for the relatively weak correlation is that secondary assists are largely arbitrary in terms of how they are awarded and whether they actually meaningfully contribute to a play.

Simplify scoring: drop the pointless secondary assist

Some NHL Stars Get More Assists At Home Than They Deserve

FWIW playmaking wizards Duncan Keith and Ryan Suter are top 10 in secondary assists since the 2005-2006 season.

 

[Midnight Judges]

BTW there is also a correlation between the best playmaking forwards and giveaways - probably comparably as strong of a correlation as secondary assists.

NHL.com - Stats

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

there's obviously some correlation in the sense that you can look at good players and many of them will have a lot of secondary assists. I don't think there's enough of a correlation that you can compare two players and determine the better one going off secondary assists with any sort of reliability though

 

[CanadienShark]

Only had to look at the username to know which option OP wants us to vote for. For anyone wondering, this is a thinly veiled thread about Crosby.

 

[ESH]

How about the accurate option: there is some correlation but not nearly as much as there is with primary assists, and the reason for the relatively weak correlation is that secondary assists are largely arbitrary in terms of how they are awarded and whether they actually meaningfully contribute to a play.

Simplify scoring: drop the pointless secondary assist

Some NHL Stars Get More Assists At Home Than They Deserve

FWIW playmaking wizards Duncan Keith and Ryan Suter are top 10 in secondary assists since the 2005-2006 season.

Makes sense, they’ve consistently been 2 of the better defensemen at passing the puck up the ice.

 

[daver]

idk if there is any agenda behind this, but it’s number 1. playmaking forwards (elite ones at that) will accumulate more assists (P and S) on average because they will have the puck on their stick more as they usually are the main driving force of the offense. it’s why OV used to rack up 50+ assists, because he was everywhere

Having a debate with the P1 (goals and 1st assists) is the much better indicator of offensive value than points.

 

[daver]

there's obviously some correlation in the sense that you can look at good players and many of them will have a lot of secondary assists. I don't think there's enough of a correlation that you can compare two players and determine the better one going off secondary assists with any sort of reliability though

I don't see anyone making this argument. It is more about ignoring 2nd assists altogether as they since randomly earned.

 

[Soliloquy of a Dogge]

Definitely a correlation between being an elite playmaker and getting 2nd assists.

 

[TheGoldenJet]

idk if there is any agenda behind this

It’s daver. Come on.

 

[Cup or Bust]

100% of course it is correlated. Elite play makers don't just make passes, they pass it to the guy that either has the best chance to score himself, or has the best chance to pass to someone else for the best possible scoring chance. That is the vision difference between someone that is an elite play maker and someone that is not. They can see where everyone on the ice is and often look 2 plays ahead. Of course there are plenty of 2nd assists that the player had nothing to do with the goal, but no players are getting 60-80 assists a season randomly.

Of course someone could debate whether 2nd assists should be used for statistical purposes though.

 

[mrv52]

idk if there is any agenda behind this, but it’s number 1. playmaking forwards (elite ones at that) will accumulate more assists (P and S) on average because they will have the puck on their stick more as they usually are the main driving force of the offense. it’s why OV used to rack up 50+ assists, because he was everywhere

Chortle.

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[TomasHertlsRooster]

Some players have unsustainable seasons where their secondary assists explode due to mostly luck and nothing else, but this happens less often than you think.

A player who consistently accumulates secondary assists is a good playmaker. Anybody who watches hockey and watches good playmakers will understand that.

 

[Calendal]

I believe #1 is true because best playmaking forwards are often paired with players who are decent/good at converting on their chances and typically get a large amount of ice time. Logically one would expect this to lead to having more 1st, 2nd, 3rd etc. assists.

 

[authentic]

100% of course it is correlated. Elite play makers don't just make passes, they pass it to the guy that either has the best chance to score himself, or has the best chance to pass to someone else for the best possible scoring chance. That is the vision difference between someone that is an elite play maker and someone that is not. They can see where everyone on the ice is and often look 2 plays ahead. Of course there are plenty of 2nd assists that the player had nothing to do with the goal, but no players are getting 60-80 assists a season randomly.

Of course someone could debate whether 2nd assists should be used for statistical purposes though.

Correct answer right here.

 

[Varan]

Definitely a correlation between being an elite playmaker and getting 2nd assists.

i love the sass in this

 

[Varan]

Having a debate with the P1 (goals and 1st assists) is the much better indicator of offensive value than points.

how so? point totals take into account your whole offensive output

 

[daver]

how so? point totals take into account your whole offensive output

Could not agree more.

 

[7even]

Just do the math.