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85-86 - Tim Kerr with 34 powerplay goals
88-89 - Mario Lemieux with 13 shorthanded goals
88-89 - Mario Lemieux with 13 shorthanded goals
Short-Handed Goals
13-Mario Lemieux, 1988-89
12-Wayne Gretzky, 1983-84
11-Wayne Gretzky, 1984-85
reckoning said:Scoring shorthanded goals is all well and good, but it doesn`t prove how good a penalty killer a player is. The mark of a good penalty killer is how few goals were scored against them. Getting shorthanded goals doesn`t help if you`re giving up a ton of goals
Let`s look at how many PPG were scored against those teams when those players were on the ice:
Mario Lemieux, 1988-89 - 60
Wayne Gretzky, 1983-84 - 31
Wayne Gretzky, 1984-85 - 37
Lemieux`s season, with all those shorthanded goals, still looks less impressive than Gretzky`s.
reckoning said:Scoring shorthanded goals is all well and good, but it doesn`t prove how good a penalty killer a player is. The mark of a good penalty killer is how few goals were scored against them. Getting shorthanded goals doesn`t help if you`re giving up a ton of goals.
Let`s look at how many PPG were scored against those teams when those players were on the ice:
Mario Lemieux, 1988-89 - 60
Wayne Gretzky, 1983-84 - 31
Wayne Gretzky, 1984-85 - 37
Lemieux`s season, with all those shorthanded goals, still looks less impressive than Gretzky`s.
Vikke said:Mario.
Pretty much anyone with enough icetime and luck can hit 30+ PP goals.
chooch said:must have been all those shots gretz blocked.
reckoning said:Joke about it, but did you ever watch Mario on the penalty kill, he was never far back in his end, usually he was near the blueline instead. Breakaway if a teammate gets him the puck, but they get burned if they can`t; and that`s usually what happened.
reckoning said:Scoring shorthanded goals is all well and good, but it doesn`t prove how good a penalty killer a player is. The mark of a good penalty killer is how few goals were scored against them. Getting shorthanded goals doesn`t help if you`re giving up a ton of goals.
Let`s look at how many PPG were scored against those teams when those players were on the ice:
Mario Lemieux, 1988-89 - 60
Wayne Gretzky, 1983-84 - 31
Wayne Gretzky, 1984-85 - 37
Lemieux`s season, with all those shorthanded goals, still looks less impressive than Gretzky`s.
tom_servo said:More accurate numbers:
'83-84 Oilers -- TT SH 386, PPA 77, PK% = 80.06%
'84-'85 Oilers -- TT SH 353, PPA 76, PK% = 78.5%
'88-'89 Penguins -- TT SH 482, PPA 111, PK% = 77%
So, it's not terribly different once the numbers are in context.
Reckoning, how are you using team statistics to support any single player's performance on the penalty kill?
That actually makes Lemieux`s season look less impressive than Gretzky`s, as Mario`s team had almost 100 more SH opportunities but he only had 1 more SH goal.How many penalties did Pittsburgh kill compared to Edmonton? Edmonton had 1577 and 1567 penalty minutes, respectively, in '84 and '85; Pittsburgh rang up a league-high 2670 in '89