Which of these players will and wont get in the HOF

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    I don’t see Fleury getting in without a top three Vezina year. He won a lot of games on great teams. The voters haven’t been generous minded to goalies in the past. Just ask Tom Barrasso.
     
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    He's the biggest mix of I'm unsure how he will be considered by voters.

    But the NHL all decade list they did last year he was 2nd, and listed as. Winner of 3 cups. If that mentality is held by enough voters, and I certainly know it will be by plenty, I can see him getting in. I don't think Quick or Fleury deserve it at all. They have each had 1 elite season is all. A couple great playoff wins and tourneys, but that is not enough for a goalie standard. Rask still has potential to get more great years under his belt so I don't know about him yet.
     
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    Because everyone knows he's a lock.
     
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    One vezina, zero cups(Less than .500 win percentage in the season, .918 to thomas .938, zero playoff games in 2011. He wasn't a factor at all in their season), low career wins number. I'm assuming the rumors earlier this year that he retires after this season are true. If he plays until 37-39 and gets 400+ wins not doubt he gets in. Now? Doubtful
     
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    I get that Fleury is 5th on all-time wins list and unlike Cujo, whose 7th on the list, he has 3 Cups.

    Yet Fleury has only received Vezina votes four times:
    2010-11 8th (one 3rd vote)
    2011-12 T-7th (one 3rd vote)
    2017-18 5th (7.10% one 1st, one 2nd, three 3rd)
    2018-19 4th (7.10% one 1st, one 2nd, three 3rd)

    Hart Votes three times:
    2010-11 9th (4.6%, one 1st, three 2nd, one third six 4th, four 5th)
    2014-15 T-18th (one 5th vote lol)
    2018-19 17th (.41% one 4th, four 5th votes)

    And the Fleury has been on playoff teams since he was 22. That’s important because GMs don’t give the Vezina to non-playoff goalies. Luongo had to have a season for the ages to defy tradition and come in third in 2003-04. GMs don’t even typically vote for non-playoff goalies. I think Schneider in 2015-16 was the last non-playoff goalie to even get votes. (Cory came in 6th.)

    So Fleury was always in the mix for a Vezina, he just wasn’t never seen as a top elite goaltender during his entire career. Voters for the Hall don’t differ that much from GMs.

    Now, he’s on a dominant team in a low scoring division so Fleury could actually win the Vezina this year and then problem solved I guess.
     
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    Seem to be ignoring his success in the playoffs as well. As well as international bronze on a bad Finland team
     
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    Pretty much this!!! Kevin Lowe is a HOF!!! Everyone even not on this list should be able to make it easy.
     
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    Barrasso was also notoriously abrasive to both the media and teammates, which is not something that will endear you to the voters (many of whom come from the media or played themselves).
     
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    Quick, will get into the U.S Hockey Hall of Fame No.32 was the closest thing to Mike Richter injuries, and bad teams in his career will prevent him from ever being enshrined in The Hockey Hall of Fame.


    Weber will get in.
     
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    In
    Marleau - 2nd most games ever, long career. respected.
    Perry - triple gold club
    Getzlaf

    On the border
    MAF probably in
    Rask - not drafted high enough (weird but true)
    Weber - 50/50. probably not. needs a great SC run also


    Not in
    Kovalchuk
    Quick
    Burns
    Doughty - just not hood offensicw output enough
    Letang - No
     
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    Isn't every Norris winner in the NHL HOF?
     
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    maybe Im wrong with Doughty.
    Very weird player overall.
     
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    First-ballot:
    Doughty
    Getzlaf
    Perry

    Later:
    Marleau
    Weber - Might change if he wins a cup
    Letang
    Marc-Andre Fleury
    Quick
    Rask

    Never:
    Kovalchuk
    Burns
     
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    He's Canadian and has team success.

    You'd put Toews in, right? Pretty close
     
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    Any chance Mikko Koivu gets enshrined into the Hockey Hall of fame?

    He just retired.
     
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    All except Carlyle iirc
     
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    A lot of these guys are a huge maybe. Except Doughty, and Marleau because of how many games he played.
     
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    Games played pretty much means zilch, I don't think you could say that Marleau was ever one of the best players in the league at anytime.
     
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    Marleau - No (2x OG golds, 1x World Cup title; non-essential to any of the 3)
    Perry - Unsure (1x Hart, 1x Rocket, 1x Stanley Cup; non-essential in 2/3rds of 1x World Cup, 2x OG golds)
    Getzlaf - Unsure (1x Cup, 1x 2nd team all star; 120 playoff pts [125 gp]; non-essential in 2/3rds of 1x World Cup, 2x OG golds)
    Kovalchuk - No (1x 1st team all star, 1x 2nd team all star, 1x Rocket, 1x OG gold [not recognized])
    Weber - Yes (2× 1st team all star, 2x 2nd team all star, 2x OG golds, 1x World Cup title)
    Letang - Yes (2× 2nd Team All Star, #1D on 3 Cup teams)
    Doughty - Yes (2x Cups, 2x OG golds, 1x World Cup, 1x Norris, 2x 1st team all star, 2x 2nd team all star)
    Burns - Unsure (1x Norris, 2x 1st team all star, 1x 2nd team all star, 1x World Cup title)
    MAF - No (1 Cup as a starter [out of 3 Finals visits as a starter]; not getting in before Osgood [1x 2nd team all star + 2 Cups as a starter [out of 3 Finals visits as a starter])
    Rask - Yes...for now (1× 1st team all star; 1x 2nd team all star; 1x Vezina; 0.922 regular/0.926 playoffs)
    Quick - Yes (winningest US-born goalie, winningest Kings goalie, 1x 2nd team all star, Smythe, 2 Cups)
     
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    To the types of old players and guys who vote on these things, it absolutely matters. It may be your criteria or your standard to say a player has to have been one of the best players in the league at anytime... but you can't say that's a standard actual hall voters have held too.
     
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    If that's the criteria for the people who vote on those things then most of the guys you have as maybes will get in.
     
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    Bolded have no historical relevance to the NHL HOF selections. There are hordes of international players with cupboards full of international trinkets outside the NHL HOF.
     
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    Lol watch Kariya's induction. Best-on-best achievements are always considered. Thats why I specified that I dont recognize Kovy's OG gold.
     
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    Jeez... Kariya was an NHL superstar going into NHL HOF selected by ex-NHL players.

    When do we see these 2 gents in the NHL hall of fame then?

    Jörgen Jönsson at eliteprospects.com
    Kenny Jönsson at eliteprospects.com

    (I d think people could stop pretending that NHL HOF is for anything else than NHL play. Tretiak's goalie coaching career selection is the cherry on top of this turd.)
     

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