Which of these players will and wont get in the HOF

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  1. Johnny Tomala Registered User

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    Marleau - yes
    Perry - no
    Getzlaf - yes
    Kovalchuk - no
    Weber - yes
    Letang - no
    Doughty - yes
    Burns - no
    MAF - no
    Rask - no
    Quick - no
     
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    International starter, Jennings, and cup as a backup are all pretty meaningless. That playoff sv% would be impressive if he had something to show for it, instead there’s just a history of him playing poorly in elimination games. If he got in it wouldn’t be the end of the world, but I’m not that impressed with the resume.
     
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    Shea Weber has over 1000gp and is the current active leader in goals scored by defencemen (220) with the potential to crack the top-10 all time in that category. What's Letang got to offer?
     
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    Weber is borderline. Shame he'll never win a cup, that would have clinched it for him.
     
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    More so the lack of games missed more than the length

    And why is jumbo joe not on this list
     
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    Marleau - hard to say. Not really hof calibre but probably but get in because of games played.
    Perry - yes
    Getzlaf - yes
    Kovalchuk - no
    Weber - yes
    Letang - no
    Doughty - yes (my least favourite player in the league)
    Burns - no
    MAF - no
    Rask - no
    Quick - no
     
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    My opinion

    Marleau -> Yes
    Perry -> No
    Getzlaf -> No
    Kovalchuk -> No
    Weber -> Yes
    Letang -> No
    Doughty -> Yes
    Burns -> No
    MAF -> Yes
    Rask -> No
    Quick -> No
     
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    Considering it's now the Hall of Really Good instead of asking the question of whether they were amongst the very best(top 3) at their position for a substantial period of time during their playing career, all of them will get in.

    Some of them shouldn't but the voters will find some reason like "triple gold" or "multiple Stanley Cups" to put them in.
     
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    I agree that under community standards, Perry shouldn't get in.

    But, he's one of those guys who won at every level and no forward has ever won the Hart and failed to get in. Add in that Getzlaf is almost certain to get in and you'd throw in the fact that their duo was pretty iconic in the NHL for a time.

    Would've liked to have seen him have a better career to make this argument but I still think he'll get in in and a lot of people will be upset about it. Far from first ballot though. Could be a situation where it takes 5-10 post retirement years.
     
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    Marleau: He'll get in, even though he doesn't really deserve it.
    Perry: No
    Getzlaf: Maybe
    Kovalchuk: Probably should, but won't.
    Weber: Yes
    Letang: No
    Doughty: Yes
    Burns: Probably
    MAF: Will make it even if he doesn't deserve to be in.
    Rask: Too early to tell.
    Quick: US HOF, HOF, No
     
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    Jennings and winning a medal as a starter absolutely aren't meaningless.

    Leading your team to multiple finals, being the front runner for the smythe certainly means a whole lot too. Its not his fault his TEAM cant close. Hes done more than his part in the playoffs.
     
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    Marleau - Kind of a Recchi type. Will finish with the games played record and a lot of career points compiled. I think he's a lock but maybe not first ballot
    Perry - Amazing prime, weak rest of his career. This one's tough... I'll say no
    Getzlaf - Yes
    Kovalchuk - Yes
    Weber - Yes
    Letang - Had a lot of injuries but the HOF likes to take all the best players from dominant teams. Yes
    Doughty - Yes
    Burns - No
    MAF - I wouldn't vote for him but he's popular and has a nice smile. He's in IMO
    Rask - Yes
    Quick - Yes
     
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    Not arguably, he did lose the two closest races ever with 9 votes in '11 and 12 votes in '12.
    BUT, his most impressive season '13-14 he was third, losing to a less impressive Duncan Keith.

    That year Rinne was limited to only 24 games due to injury, which forced Hutton and Mazanec to be our starters. Our three best forwards that year were Hornqvist, Smith and Fisher; only Hornqvist Smith and Weber would hit 50 points for that team compared to Chicago's Sharp, Kane, Toews, Keith and Hossa who all hit at least 60. Weber's 23 goals were second on the team to Smith's 24, and his 56 points led the team.

    Despite all that Weber pretty much drug that team kicking and screaming into a playoff spot, ultimately finishing three points out, on the last day of the season had Dallas lost and Nashville won their games Nashville would have been in. The biggest excuse to why Weber didn't win that year was because he wasn't on a playoff team.

    Weber finished the year 23-33-56 averaging 27 minutes a night with 4 game winners and no legitimate top line players, Keith finished 6-55-61 averaged 24 minutes a night with 3 game winners and 4 top line players.

    No he's not. He's closer to first ballot lock than borderline.
     
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    Perry was best player on that 2010-2011 season. If you were the top dog, even for short period of time you should make the hall. Add to that his other resume is darn good.
     
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    Kevin Lowe really lowered the bar getting in that I would say almost all of them get in now.
     
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    Drew Doughty Is Not Only No Longer Elite - He's Terrible. Doughty is shit mate, but the hall of fame does not look at the advanced statistics therefore Doughty will be inducted.
     
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    Pretty sure he hasn't been good since his early years and even in his early years he was massively overrated by hockey fans because of points, hits, and blocks.
     
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    You can believe that but unfortunately it's not true. No hardware, at all. First ballot lock? :laugh:
     
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    Kovy should not get in.

    And no, KHL stats etc dont count. Nobody care about what was done in an inferior hockey league against weaker competition.
     
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    Hardware is not a requisite for the HHOF. If you had to win a Norris or Hart to get in, the Hall would be much smaller.

    Weber for more then a decade has been a top 5 player at his position, top 3 for most of that, and most would agree he was best defenseman in at least 2 of those seasons. Will end up top 10 dman goals all time, 260-280 goals total, 650-700+ points and all the time has been as good defensively as a defensemen can be. Not that that seems to matter to voters or fans anymore, but being best in class defensively as a defenseman for a whole career should qualify you for the Hall on that alone. Lead your team multiple times in points and you have a pretty special player, When Subban won his Norris he wasn't even trusted to kill penalties, and started in the ozone almost 60% of the time. Weber has like 10 seasons that were better then the season Doughty had when he won his Norris ffs.

    So ya, he has been completely dominant and the voters will realize who he is. He is HHOF lock if his career ends today, and if he does his typical 15/30 for the next 2-3 years he is a first ballot lock. And the Habs finally have a team that could go on a run, lots left of this story to tell, based on his fitness he is probably top 2 dman for another 2-4 years.

    Complete lock.
     
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    Oh, and Doughty is in for sure. a Norris plus three other top 3's, the Cups, International success, etc. Lock.
     
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    Norris: 2,2,3,4,4,6,7,8,10

    Again, the two closest loses for the Norris with 9 and 12 votes. And he's still playing at a high level, who knows maybe they'll give him a going away Norris ala Lidstrom.
     
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    Funny you say that, I have thought the same. It's too bad he was injured in 2017, I think that was his year, was on pace for his typical 17/35 and that would have been enough. Same for the next year, was on pace for 20/30.

    Not sure if he has enough left and guys that can't play D but will put up 20 more points are going to continue to get the prize. A guy like Hughes, who I love as a player, is getting absolutely steam rolled every night but he will put up 70 point pace and will beat out a rock solid 50 point pace. The award has been for the best offensive Dman for a while now.
     
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    He was nominated for the Norris 2 seasons ago.....

    Also I dont care much for advanced stats, let alone when used by some random blogger trying to prove a point.
     
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