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2 is better than one
To be honest none of these guys are HOF worthy. The closest are Weber and Doughty and IMO they both fall short.
It's true though. Doughty's playoffs and Norris are pretty big advantages, and his reputation as a big-game player, especially with Weber having a less than stellar playoff record makes him a lock, even though their actual regular season play isn't that far apart. It's just the way the Hall operates.
Weber could have had three Norrises if things went his way. He'll be in the hall.
Kovalchuk was a better player, but I doubt he'd get in before Perry. The committee loves winners and Perry has won everything, and the Hart is a big feather in his cap. They also judge character and Kovalchuk signing that huge contract and then leaving for Russia soon after is going to hurt him. It's ironic because Perry is the one who's been a dbag on the ice for most of his career, but I'm sure it's seen as "doing whatever it takes to win".
...but he doesn't and there's the rub. That said, I think that will be an argument in his favor and I agree that he will likely get in. Out of the players the OP listed he's probably the most deserving.
Weber could have had three Norrises if things went his way. He'll be in the hall.
He doesn't though. And he only has 2 runner ups that were close enough to say he might have won. He was close to 2nd in '14, but well back of 1st place. And Doughty has 2 runner ups on top of his Norris as well.
I do think Weber should and will get in, but I don't think there's much question that Doughty is more of a slam dunk.
Good point, hall of fame does tend to show more bias towards players with Olympic medals. For NHL stats though I feel like Letang has had a much better career statistically excluding defensive performance.Wouldn't Weber captaining two different franchises and winning 2 gold medals (maybe 3 if he makes the 2022 Olympic team) with Canada swing things in his favour?
Why is perry a yes? Just because of his one fluke season? One of which he never even came close to ever matching again in his career or before it.
He is 36 years old, and just this season cracked 800 points in 1050 games played.
Every one of them will or won’t.Marleau
Perry
Getzlaf
Kovalchuk
Weber
Letang
Doughty
Burns
MAF
Rask
Quick
Only 3 players that won Hart Trophy didn't make it to HOF. He's also a member of the triple gold club. He's a lock.
Marleau - shouldn’t but will because of longevity
Perry - probably not
Getzlaf - yes
Kovalchuk - no
Weber - yes
Letang - no
Doughty - yes
Burns - borderline
MAF - shouldn’t but will because the media loves him he was lucky enough to play for the Pens and has cups.
Rask - not unless he wins a cup as a starter.
Quick - has a much better case than MAF but I think he’s borderline.
I'm confused, how is Weber a lock to get in, but Letang isn't? Letang has a better PPG in his career than Weber in the playoffs and regular season, I guess you can say Weber is better defensively, but we know the NHL never looks at defensive play when it comes to defensemen by the past Norris trophy winners. If anything Letang probably has a higher chance of getting in because of his Stanley Cup wins.
Once again, why wouldnt Rask get in? I believe he's close to, if not number one for playoff sv%, a Vezina, a couple Jennings, multiple Vezina nominations, great international record and a cup win (even if it wasnt as a starter).Only one who deserves to be there on that list is Doughty. Weber with the outside shot.
Realistically with the loose standards of the NHL? All of them excluding Perry, Kovalchuk and rask get it.
Confused why Rask wont get in according to some.
A couple Jennings, a Vezina, multiple finalist for Vezina, has a Cup (even if just as a backup, multiple finals appearances, one of the top stats in the playoffs all time for goalies and was very good internationally?
Again, two finals appearances as the starter (one where he was the landslide Smythe winner if they won the last game), two jennings, a vezina, multiple nominations, international team starter, top 10 all time playoff sv% (even higher if you use a bigger game sample).I say no to all except Weber, Quick, and Doughty. Rask could make it, but he needs a few more years padding his resume, because the body of work just isn’t there.
I'm confused, how is Weber a lock to get in, but Letang isn't? Letang has a better PPG in his career than Weber in the playoffs and regular season, I guess you can say Weber is better defensively, but we know the NHL never looks at defensive play when it comes to defensemen by the past Norris trophy winners. If anything Letang probably has a higher chance of getting in because of his Stanley Cup wins.