Speculation: Which Jets aren't coming back?

[Huffer]

I think Hamilton and his next contact is the player they will look to move. Necas and a re-signed Hamilton even if it was at a big number probably sets us up pretty well if we keep #10.

Agreed.

 

[surixon]

We could always try to sign a second line guy in UFA like Toffoli or Granlund to fill one of those wing slots.

Conner Scheifele Wheeler
Ehlers/Granlund Necas Ehlers/Toffoli
Copp Lowry Roslovic
Harkins Gus Appelton

JoMo Hamilton
Edmondson/Dillion Pionk
Samberg Poolman.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Yup. Fills two key holes for us. I.would.pull the trigger in that one if Hamilton agreed to an extension.

Well, at least Hamilton is big.

I don't like Hamilton's record of being unable to find a home. I also don't think he is strong enough defensively. Then there is his contract.

In this scenario, we are the ones giving up the best player, the most valuable piece - by far. I think that allows us more say in who we get. Pesce is 2 years younger, will have an AAV of about half Hamilton's for 4 more years. He is also big, but more importantly, plays a physical, defensive game - and he still scores fairly well. IMO, he is exactly the D man we need. Why would we be accepting second best when we are giving up Laine?

Of course, I am assuming he is fully recovered from his shoulder surgery. Medical OK would be necessary.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

We could always try to sign a second line guy in UFA like Toffoli or Granlund to fill one of those wing slots.

Conner Scheifele Wheeler
Ehlers/Granlund Necas Ehlers/Toffoli
Copp Lowry Roslovic
Harkins Gus Appelton

JoMo Hamilton
Edmondson/Dillion Pionk
Samberg Poolman.

The hole at RW is not the weakness in this proposition. Ehlers moves over, Harkins moves up. Hamilton is the problem.

 

[KingBogo]

Well, at least Hamilton is big.

I don't like Hamilton's record of being unable to find a home. I also don't think he is strong enough defensively. Then there is his contract.

In this scenario, we are the ones giving up the best player, the most valuable piece - by far. I think that allows us more say in who we get. Pesce is 2 years younger, will have an AAV of about half Hamilton's for 4 more years. He is also big, but more importantly, plays a physical, defensive game - and he still scores fairly well. IMO, he is exactly the D man we need. Why would we be accepting second best when we are giving up Laine?

Of course, I am assuming he is fully recovered from his shoulder surgery. Medical OK would be necessary.

Hamilton's problem is he is a bit of an introvert who prefers reading and museums to restaurants and bars like most young hockey players do. If you read some of the stories about him you will see Slavin saying very nice things and that maybe we would all be better off going to museums rather than to bars.

 

[KingBogo]

@Mortimer Snerd To the above post what evidence do you have that Hamilton isn't good defensively? He lead one of the better possession teams in the league in both CF% at 58.10 and xGF% at 58.72. If any current Jet pulled off something like that we would be jumping up and down with glee.

 

[Teemusalami204]

@Mortimer Snerd To the above post what evidence do you have that Hamilton isn't good defensively? He lead one of the better possession teams in the league in both CF% at 58.10 and xGF% at 58.72. If any current Jet pulled off something like that we would be jumping up and down with glee.

The better question is what does that say about our defense that a average dman blows anyone of ours away lol

 

[surixon]

Hamilton's problem is he is a bit of an introvert who prefers reading and museums to restaurants and bars like most young hockey players do. If you read some of the stories about him you will see Slavin saying very nice things and that maybe we would all be better off going to museums rather than to bars.

Well we have some nice museums, a symphony and some other low key attractions so by all means if hes interested I signing long term then I think he'd be a fit in this city.

A legit top pairing RD that can drive play is what we could use. He also doesn't have to be elite defensively playing with JoMo.

 

[KingBogo]

The better question is what does that say about our defense that a average dman blows anyone of ours away lol

How is Hamilton an average D-Man? He was in the Norris discussion before he was injured. He was the top pairing RHD on a pretty good team and had 40 points in 47 games. He is in the top 5 RHD in the league and in the heart of his prime.

 

[Teemusalami204]

How is Hamilton an average D-Man? He was in the Norris discussion before he was injured. He was the top pairing RHD on a pretty good team and had 40 points in 47 games. He is in the top 5 RHD in the league and in the heart of his prime.

My post was In jest. You responded to another poster that said he wasn’t good defensively.

Just trying to have your back lol I’ll add a few emojis when I learn how too lol

 

[Adam da bomb]

How is Hamilton an average D-Man? He was in the Norris discussion before he was injured. He was the top pairing RHD on a pretty good team and had 40 points in 47 games. He is in the top 5 RHD in the league and in the heart of his prime.

I doubt if he’s top 5. I mean is he better than Jones, Chabot, pulock, Hedman? To name a few. Will he be better than Makar, Hughes long? Hesikanan.
Also tougher to play great over 85 games than 40

 

[KingBogo]

My post was In jest. You responded to another poster that said he wasn’t good defensively.

Just trying to have your back lol I’ll add a few emojis when I learn how too lol

Appreciate the emojis, easier to pick up on any sarcasm

 

[KingBogo]

How’s he do over the other 30? I doubt if he’s top 5. I mean is he better than Jones, Chabot, pulock, Hedman? To name a few. Will he be better than Makar, Hughes long? Hesikanan.

Say he is top 10 then. Still a massive upgrade at RHD.

 

[Whileee]

If the objective was to generate clicks and stir up the hornets' nest, then mission accomplished...

I like how Seravalli puts up a trade board list without any mention of Allen, and Allen is traded the next day...

 

[Adam da bomb]

Say he is top 10 then. Still a massive upgrade at RHD.

Okay but I came up with that list in 3 seconds. He is a big upgrade but for Laine?
If Laine can become meaner and more consistent he has also achieved more at 22 that I’d think we could get more. We also don’t know about the 10 mil. 22 to 29 is quite the jump in age. It means no second window. Schief and Wheeler may disappear in next few years but ehlers , Kc, and Laine seem like good building blocks for a rebuild unless you can get a young wunderkind d like Hughes for Laine. Even a Brannstrom who has potential to be a top d. I see too many problems why this window is not really even open anymore and the Jets should take one or 2 years to rebuild. Goalies tend to age well.

 

[surixon]

I doubt if he’s top 5. I mean is he better than Jones, Chabot, pulock, Hedman? To name a few. Will he be better than Makar, Hughes long? Hesikanan.
Also tougher to play great over 85 games than 40

Why are you comparing him to both left and right d lol.

As far as right D go I'd say hes a step up from Trouba and easily top 15 at his position which would help us quite a bit.

I would however be looking to get him without losing Laine.

 

[Adam da bomb]

Why are you comparing him to both left and right d lol.

As far as right D go I'd say hes a step up from Trouba and easily top 15 at his position which would help us quite a bit.

I would however be looking to get him without losing Laine.

Because I’m not educated enough to know sides but easier to name guys better.

 

[KingBogo]

Okay but I came up with that list in 3 seconds. He is a big upgrade but for Laine?
If Laine can become meaner and more consistent he has also achieved more at 22 that I’d think we could get more. We also don’t know about the 10 mil. 22 to 29 is quite the jump in age. It means no second window. Schief and Wheeler may disappear in next few years but ehlers , Kc, and Laine seem like good building blocks for a rebuild unless you can get a young wunderkind d like Hughes for Laine. Even a Brannstrom who has potential to be a top d. I see too many problems why this window is not really even open anymore and the Jets should take one or 2 years to rebuild. Goalies tend to age well.

In my proposal I also included #12 pick for Pionk and made the UFA signings we would need. If all that happened we would be a much better team over the next few years. Hamilton is also the same age as Scheifele 27 y/o. And if all your building blocks are wingers you aren't going anywhere but the fuzzy middle.

 

[surixon]

Because I’m not educated enough to know sides but easier to name guys better.

Gotcha. Well most of the players you listed play LD. Only Pulock, Makar and Jones play RD.

Also players like Pulock and Chabot are not better players as of now. Chanot likely will be in the future.

 

[surixon]

In my proposal I also included #12 pick for Pionk and made the UFA signings we would need. If all that happened we would be a much better team over the next few years. Hamilton is also the same age as Scheifele 27 y/o. And if all your building blocks are wingers you aren't going anywhere but the fuzzy middle.

Yup you build down the middle and from the backend out. We are eventually going to need to rebalance our cap unless the plan is to move Wheeler to the middle full time.

If that is the case you can get use either Roslovic or Copp as a 2 to 3 million complimentary top 6 winger.

Copp Scheifele Laine
Conner Wheeler Ehlers

or

Ehlers Scheifele Laine
Conner Wheeler Roslovic

Bring in a speedy player for our third line and I think we have a very dynamic top 12.

Harkins Lowry Athanasiau
Perrault Gus Appelton

 

[nobody imp0rtant]

My post was In jest. You responded to another poster that said he wasn’t good defensively.

Just trying to have your back lol I’ll add a few emojis when I learn how too lol

I would show you how to add emojis but when we showed @Jets 31 how to embed GIF's and videos we created a monster.

 

[GeorgeJETson]

I would show you how to add emojis but when we showed @Jets 31 how to embed GIF's and videos we created a monster.

I actually laughed out loud when I read this

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

@Mortimer Snerd To the above post what evidence do you have that Hamilton isn't good defensively? He lead one of the better possession teams in the league in both CF% at 58.10 and xGF% at 58.72. If any current Jet pulled off something like that we would be jumping up and down with glee.

Just reputation. Are you saying he has become one of the best defensive D men in the league? Was he always better than he was given credit for? Are those numbers on him? Or is it a team thing?

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Hamilton's problem is he is a bit of an introvert who prefers reading and museums to restaurants and bars like most young hockey players do. If you read some of the stories about him you will see Slavin saying very nice things and that maybe we would all be better off going to museums rather than to bars.

Do managements trade him because he goes to museums?

My concern is just that he can't find a home in the NHL. It isn't about what he does off the ice. Raises my suspicions.

 

[Jets 31]

I actually laughed out loud when I read this

So did i.