Which Habs Forward will be Waived or Traded when all players are healthy?

[Adriatic]

26 games?

Yes 26 games, 4 training camps and 3 ahl seasons I think. I think they have a pretty good idea what he can bring to the table.

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

Plekanec - experience
Peca - speed
Scherbak - talent
Deslauriers - toughness

What matters most for a depth forward?

Scherbak will probably start on the 4th line, but that's not where he is expected to be long term.
Scherbak in the top 6 and Armia in the bottom 6 is much better than Armia in the top 6 and any of Peca/Plekanec/Deslaurier in the bottom 6.

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

Yes 26 games, 4 training camps and 3 ahl seasons I think. I think they have a pretty good idea what he can bring to the table.

What he can bring to the table?
You mean being one of our most skilled forward and having top line potential?

 

[Runner77]

Couldn't they just waive Alzner and with no one likely claiming him, leave him in Laval for a month or two?

 

[Adriatic]

What he can bring to the table?
You mean being one of our most skilled forward and having top line potential?

Has never shown he can do any of that at the nhl level. There are a bunch of skilled forwards playing in ahl, khl and Europe too. None of them have what it takes for nhl.

 

[EveryDay]

Shaw should be trade NOW if its even possible.

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

Has never shown he can do any of that at the nhl level. There are a bunch of skilled forwards playing in ahl, khl and Europe too. None of them have what it takes for nhl.

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[417]

Couldn't they just waive Alzner and with no one likely claiming him, leave him in Laval for a month or two?

Don't thi k they wanna pay a guy 6M to play in Laval

 

[sandysan]

If I'm Romanov, I stay in Russia until Julien and MB are fired. The way they handled one of the best Habs in the modern era in Markov, Rads leaving, they could have protected Emelin over Benn since it's not like we needed cap space, Galchenyuk playing on the 4th line and with DLR at other times. Now Scherbak should be on his way out. Guess it's all coincidence.

the number of tears I will shed if we lose scherbak ( after losing DLR to the wings) = zero, even if it means we keep Dlo and shaw.

people keep insisting that scherback is some diamond in the rough, I don't see it and never have, especially if the hole is the bottom six.

 

[Adriatic]

?

And what?? He scored a couple of nice goals, that doesn't mean he can be a consistent nhler. I can cherry pick highlights of many players that scored a couple of nice goals but were never good enough to hold down a spot.

 

[sandysan]

Losing both DLR and Scherbak at the expense of redundant signings is annoying

We tried to move DLR, there were no takers. he is the epitome of a dime a dozen bottom 6 winger, has some intriguing assets but never was able to leverage them to any effect. I wish him good luck in his future endeavors in detroit.

and i never understood the love for sherback.

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

And what?? He scored a couple of nice goals, that doesn't mean he can be a consistent nhler. I can cherry pick highlights of many players that scored a couple of nice goals but were never good enough to hold down a spot.

How exactly is he supposed to prove he can be a consistent nhler??

 

[Le Barron de HF]

Disagree
Plekanec has much more trade value than Deslaurier, and Plekanec would be much more valuable for a playoff run

Deslaurier is 27 and I don't see much upside if any
I don't really care either way who gets traded, but I fully expect it to be D-lo

Plekanec has lost an extra step and I won't be fooled by his play in his 1000th game, adrenaline can do a lot for a player short term. If DLo can repeat what he did last year, he can fetch a 3rd rounder. Plek, probably can but DLo brings something we lack big time and it is time that we move on from Plek once and for all, especially if it going to come at the expense of youth.

 

[Adriatic]

How exactly is he supposed to prove he can be a consistent nhler??

He's a had 4 nhl training camps, a number of preseason games, 26 nhl games like you said and a lot of practice time with the team for the coach to evaluate his game. They know exactly what they have in him. A lot of prospects would die for a 26 game nhl tryout, it's up to him to demonstrate signs and improvement that warrants a longer look I guess. However I don't think he has really, he's got the same issues he had at his first training camp. Weak on the puck, gets outmuscled and bumped too easily, no explosiveness, bad awareness of his positions on the ice..it's no surprise as to why he's not getting a shot at the moment, he doesn't deserve one. Hopefully for him someone get plays bad, gets benched or injured and he can get another chance.

 

[Le Barron de HF]

I can understand people being nonchalant and not caring when it's guys like DLR or even Andrighetto but what is the harm in giving a former first round pick with lots of talent, a good track record at the pro level, who has actually shown signs of improvement an actual chance? I highly doubt Scherbak is a bust a la Jurco and cie, one thing is for sure, we won't help his development if we give him the Tinordi treatment (we also won't help his value on the market). Scherbak can definitely help this team and I'll be super pissed if we lose him or trade him for a dime on the dollar to keep the likes of Shaw, Plek or DLo over him. Shows how asinine the management is if they prefer to keep grinders or players past their prime over a 22 year old that can go above a PPG in the AHL. Scherbak can help the PP right now, there is no reason to even be having this debate right now.

 

[Tyson]

We tried to move DLR, there were no takers. he is the epitome of a dime a dozen bottom 6 winger, has some intriguing assets but never was able to leverage them to any effect. I wish him good luck in his future endeavors in detroit.

and i never understood the love for sherback.

Was Scherbak ever really given a good look?

 

[montreal]

the number of tears I will shed if we lose scherbak ( after losing DLR to the wings) = zero, even if it means we keep Dlo and shaw.

people keep insisting that scherback is some diamond in the rough, I don't see it and never have, especially if the hole is the bottom six.

how many AHL games have you watched him play?

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

He's a had 4 nhl training camps, a number of preseason games, 26 nhl games like you said and a lot of practice time with the team for the coach to evaluate his game. They know exactly what they have in him. A lot of prospects would die for a 26 game nhl tryout, it's up to him to demonstrate signs and improvement that warrants a longer look I guess. However I don't think he has really, he's got the same issues he had at his first training camp. Weak on the puck, gets outmuscled and bumped too easily, no explosiveness, bad awareness of his positions on the ice..it's no surprise as to why he's not getting a shot at the moment, he doesn't deserve one. Hopefully for him someone get plays bad, gets benched or injured and he can get another chance.

1st ahl season: 23 pts in 48 games
2nd ahl season: 41 pts in 66 games
3rd ahl season: 30 pts in 26 games (pace of 76 pts in 66 games).

All he's done is improve...

He also had a lot of good moments in the nhl last year.

The improvement he's shown in the ahl and nhl is worth much more than whatever he did in the preseason.

 

[Le Barron de HF]

Was Scherbak ever really given a good look?

Some will say that playing 13:23 on avg a night and when he spends more than 27% of his shifts at 5 on 5 with L. Shaw, Carr or Hudon counts as being given a good look

 

[Le Barron de HF]

1st ahl season: 23 pts in 48 games
2nd ahl season: 41 pts in 66 games
3rd ahl season: 30 pts in 26 games (pace of 76 pts in 66 games).

All he's done is improve...

He also had a lot of good moments in the nhl last year.

The improvement he's shown in the ahl and nhl is worth much more than whatever he did in the preseason.

Plus Scherbak has always been a slow starter.

 

[sandysan]

how many AHL games have you watched him play?

I'm not interested in a guy whose ceiling is the AHL. He has skills that are largely the same set where he ends up behind a lot of guys on the depth chart. That, as he is likely to find out, puts him in a precarious position.

c'est la vie.

 

[Adriatic]

1st ahl season: 23 pts in 48 games
2nd ahl season: 41 pts in 66 games
3rd ahl season: 30 pts in 26 games (pace of 76 pts in 66 games).

All he's done is improve...

He also had a lot of good moments in the nhl last year.

The improvement he's shown in the ahl and nhl is worth much more than whatever he did in the preseason.

I don't agree, I don't think he's show any improvement in the nhl. Those ahl stats are nice but don't mean very much as to him being in the nhl.

Corey Locke's stats destroy anything Sherback has ever done in the ahl but it doesn't squat.

2004–05 Hamilton Bulldogs AHL 78 games 16g 27a 43 pts
2005–06 Hamilton Bulldogs AHL 77 games 19g 40a 59 pts
2006–07 Hamilton Bulldogs AHL 80 games 20g 35a 55 pts
2007–08 Hamilton Bulldogs AHL 78 games 30g 42a 72 pts
2008–09 Houston Aeros AHL 77 games 25g 54a 79 pts
2009–10 Hartford Wolf Pack AHL 76 games 31g 54a 85 pts
2010–11 Binghamton Senators AHL 69 games 21g 65a 86 pts
2011–12 Binghamton Senators AHL 38 games 10g 31a 41 pts

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

I don't agree, I don't think he's show any improvement in the nhl. Those ahl stats are nice but don't mean very much as to him being in the nhl.

Corey Locke's stats destroy anything Sherback has ever done in the ahl but it doesn't squat.

2004–05 Hamilton Bulldogs AHL 78 games 16g 27a 43 pts
2005–06 Hamilton Bulldogs AHL 77 games 19g 40a 59 pts
2006–07 Hamilton Bulldogs AHL 80 games 20g 35a 55 pts
2007–08 Hamilton Bulldogs AHL 78 games 30g 42a 72 pts
2008–09 Houston Aeros AHL 77 games 25g 54a 79 pts
2009–10 Hartford Wolf Pack AHL 76 games 31g 54a 85 pts
2010–11 Binghamton Senators AHL 69 games 21g 65a 86 pts
2011–12 Binghamton Senators AHL 38 games 10g 31a 41 pts

so? I can show you many players with worse stats than Scherbak in the ahl who ended up becoming good nhlers.

Basically, what you are saying is whatever he did in the ahl and nhl means nothing. How the hell do you evaluate a young player then? lol

 

[MarkovsKnee]

Didn't think they'd actually waive DLR. My guess is Scherbak is next to go. Like DLR, he doesn't really have a role on the team.

Pleks still kills penalties. Shaw/D'lo bring the grit factor. Shaw gets PP time.

Scherbak really doesn't bring anything, although I do think he could help our PP.

 

[Le Barron de HF]

I don't agree, I don't think he's show any improvement in the nhl. Those ahl stats are nice but don't mean very much as to him being in the nhl.

Corey Locke's stats destroy anything Sherback has ever done in the ahl but it doesn't squat.

2004–05 Hamilton Bulldogs AHL 78 games 16g 27a 43 pts
2005–06 Hamilton Bulldogs AHL 77 games 19g 40a 59 pts
2006–07 Hamilton Bulldogs AHL 80 games 20g 35a 55 pts
2007–08 Hamilton Bulldogs AHL 78 games 30g 42a 72 pts
2008–09 Houston Aeros AHL 77 games 25g 54a 79 pts
2009–10 Hartford Wolf Pack AHL 76 games 31g 54a 85 pts
2010–11 Binghamton Senators AHL 69 games 21g 65a 86 pts
2011–12 Binghamton Senators AHL 38 games 10g 31a 41 pts

Locke was an undersized player with terrible skating. He was also drafted as an overager. He was pretty much the age that Scherbak currently is when he started producing at a good rate. Can you give me better examples right than irrelevant ones?