LeafFever
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If that guy played in Toronto I guarantee his defensive abilities would be laughed-at league-wide.Risto is one of the worst "top" defensemen in the league.
If that guy played in Toronto I guarantee his defensive abilities would be laughed-at league-wide.Risto is one of the worst "top" defensemen in the league.
I don't see it from a value perspective unless they're adding pieces and retaining a ton of salary.
I figure Weber's worth a late first with salary retained at this point in his career
He'd also be sliding in as a 2-3 here and not carrying his pairing.
Risto is one of the worst "top" defensemen in the league.
No Nurse love? Why is that?Darnell Nurse? No thanks.
Manson, Pesce, Ellis, Lindholm, Parayko, Ekholm etc.
Slavin is a pipe dream now.
If Dubas can convince the Sabres to unite the Nylander brothers, Risto. Worked when Flyers wanted to unite the Schenn brothers.
If Nylander has to be traded it wont be for a 3 - 5 years. Why not let him peak. Hes not going to hold out. If something long term cant happen, we bridge him and before his next deal you trade him for your D if that's what everyone wants..
I still vote to keep..
I don't think Spurgeon will be on the radar. He's the only one of this list where he could not be the primary piece in acquiring Nylander. He does not have enough value.
Gardiner-Spurgeon have similar value if we get a third team involved, or if Brodin moves to the RD.
I'd rather take Brodin and move him to RD than take Spurgeon.
To think, I mean if players really wanted Stanley Cups as much as they claim they could make it much more likely. Imagine if Erik Karlsson decided to come aboard for simply 1 year on this team, make a boatload for one fun year then go back to UFA for a long term payday.
Why don't players do this more often?
This current team with EK on it IMO solves all our problems back there even its just for one year, him alone could carry the puck out of our zone and make everything look elite...one could dream.
They will sign him.
They aren't trading for a defenceman.
They aren't trading Nylander.
Been done over and over and over and over and over, etc.
Pesce and Tanev at the deadline
Gardiner for a 2nd
Nylander for Pesce + 1st
1st + 2nd for Tanev
Rielly-Pesce
Dermott-Zaitsev
Rosen-Tanev
Make right d great again
We can get a lot more than a second for Gardiner at the deadline. Tatar got a 1st, 2nd and 3rd.Pesce and Tanev at the deadline
Gardiner for a 2nd
Nylander for Pesce + 1st
1st + 2nd for Tanev
Rielly-Pesce
Dermott-Zaitsev
Rosen-Tanev
Make right d great again
For what it's worth, here are some charts from HockeyViz for a couple of the right handed defensemen mentioned here. We'd be interested in the Isolated column as that their individual impact. The top graph is the offense they create compared to league average and the bottom is the offense they allow. So for example, Ryan Ellis generates 0.9% LESS offense compared to league average defensemen, and he allows 1.1% LESS offense compared to league average. Parayko on the other hand generates 3% MORE offense than league average and allows 8.5% LESS offense compared to league average.
Ryan Ellis:
Colton Parayko:
Brett Pesce:
Josh Manson:
Matt Dumba:
Jared Spurgeon:
Rasmus Ristolainen:
Model Description: MagnusInteresting information. So Parayko or Pesce would be perfect. Where do you get this data?