Which defense combo is better?

[GingerJesus28]

With this whole virus thing happening, I've been watching the 2011-12 Flyers/Pens series.

Forgot the fact that the Flyers bottom 3 dmen that season was Grossmann/Lilja/Bourdon

So I ask you guys this: which bottom 3 would you rather have at their respective times?

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[Appleyard]

Thought it would be interesting to take a look at statistically... just from those respective years:

11-12:

Bourdon: 48.92% ExGF, -0.31 ExGF Rel
Lilja: 48.84% ExGF, -0.32 ExGF Rel
Grossman: 44.36% ExGF, -0.66 ExGF Rel

17-18:

Manning: 49.52% ExGF, -0.09 ExGF Rel
MacDonald: 48.18% ExGF, -0.19 ExGF Rel
Hagg: 47.12% ExGF, -0.28 ExGF Rel

So I mean, it is probably 11-12 that was worse... even though I dont remember them being "as bad".

But maybe that is because:

Grossman: 18:25 TOI
Bourdon: 16:11 TOI
Lilja: 13:41 TOI

MacDonald: 19:51 TOI
Hagg: 18:08 TOI
Manning: 17:57 TOI

In 17-18 the three guys putting up pretty poor numbers played ~7:30 more ice time a game between them

 

[BlackandOrange]

Tough question, kind of like which pig wearing lipstick would you rather kiss. Grossman and Lilja were just as slow as molasses and were completely cooked by then. I went with the recent guys as being better.

 

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[DrinkFightFlyers]

Bourdon/Lilja/Grossman for sure. And I am not a Hagg or MacDonald hater (Manning sucks).

 

[Rebels57]

Thought it would be interesting to take a look at statistically... just from those respective years:

11-12:

Bourdon: 48.92% ExGF, -0.31 ExGF Rel
Lilja: 48.84% ExGF, -0.32 ExGF Rel
Grossman: 44.36% ExGF, -0.66 ExGF Rel

17-18:

Manning: 49.52% ExGF, -0.09 ExGF Rel
MacDonald: 48.18% ExGF, -0.19 ExGF Rel
Hagg: 47.12% ExGF, -0.28 ExGF Rel

So I mean, it is probably 11-12 that was worse... even though I dont remember them being "as bad".

But maybe that is because:

Grossman: 18:25 TOI
Bourdon: 16:11 TOI
Lilja: 13:41 TOI

MacDonald: 19:51 TOI
Hagg: 18:08 TOI
Manning: 17:57 TOI

In 17-18 the three guys putting up pretty poor numbers played ~7:30 more ice time a game between them

You nailed. Usage is the critical variable.

 

[deadhead]

Thought it would be interesting to take a look at statistically... just from those respective years:

11-12:

Bourdon: 48.92% ExGF, -0.31 ExGF Rel
Lilja: 48.84% ExGF, -0.32 ExGF Rel
Grossman: 44.36% ExGF, -0.66 ExGF Rel

17-18:

Manning: 49.52% ExGF, -0.09 ExGF Rel
MacDonald: 48.18% ExGF, -0.19 ExGF Rel
Hagg: 47.12% ExGF, -0.28 ExGF Rel

So I mean, it is probably 11-12 that was worse... even though I dont remember them being "as bad".

But maybe that is because:

Grossman: 18:25 TOI
Bourdon: 16:11 TOI
Lilja: 13:41 TOI

MacDonald: 19:51 TOI
Hagg: 18:08 TOI
Manning: 17:57 TOI

In 17-18 the three guys putting up pretty poor numbers played ~7:30 more ice time a game between them

Which is why I've always opposed piling on.
Scrubs play because there ain't much else, notice Hagg this year 49 of 69 games, 15:36.
And that primarily b/c Ghost was playing hurt, then was shut down.

However, come the playoffs, Lavi basically ran his top two into the ground:
Coburn 27:10, Carle 25:19, Kimmo 20:11 (year before 24:54)
Pronger was gone, Meszaros only played 1 game.

Grossman 18:55 TOI
Gustaffson 15:30 TOI
Lilja 13:58 TOI
Bourdon only played one game.

 

[flyersjim73]

You nailed. Usage is the critical variable.

God I hate Hak.

 

[GingerJesus28]

Thought it would be interesting to take a look at statistically... just from those respective years:

11-12:

Bourdon: 48.92% ExGF, -0.31 ExGF Rel
Lilja: 48.84% ExGF, -0.32 ExGF Rel
Grossman: 44.36% ExGF, -0.66 ExGF Rel

17-18:

Manning: 49.52% ExGF, -0.09 ExGF Rel
MacDonald: 48.18% ExGF, -0.19 ExGF Rel
Hagg: 47.12% ExGF, -0.28 ExGF Rel

So I mean, it is probably 11-12 that was worse... even though I dont remember them being "as bad".

But maybe that is because:

Grossman: 18:25 TOI
Bourdon: 16:11 TOI
Lilja: 13:41 TOI

MacDonald: 19:51 TOI
Hagg: 18:08 TOI
Manning: 17:57 TOI

In 17-18 the three guys putting up pretty poor numbers played ~7:30 more ice time a game between them

Yeah that's a great point. Usage is huge. My god, Hak.

 

[Beef Invictus]

I mean both sets are pretty bad, but one set was relied upon a lot more in some insanely crucial situations.

Lilja wasn't being actively sent out against Crosby throughout a playoff series, for instance. So my memory of the recent set is that they got slaughtered harder because of how they were deployed.