Where do you rank Ovechkin in his era (post 05 lockout)

where do you place ovie?


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Voight

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Shouldn't this simply be re-worded into yet another "Crosby vs Ovi" thread?

At least until McDavid has been around long enough to possibly make a race of it.

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I'd argue McDavid is apart of a different generation. I mean, he was 8 when the other two started playing and both were surefire HHOF'ers by the time he stepped foot on the ice. On the flip side, its hard to define eras... i.e. its not like before where we had the high scoring 80s/early 90s , then the DPE and then the lockout.
 

amnesiac

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Ovechkin number 1 pretty clearly - the face of NHL internationally. Crosby fans can only make the "shoulda, coulda, woulda arguments".
gimme a break.... another Crosby hater. Dunno how you people can call yourselves hockey fans. Pathetic. :shakehead

the guy is 6th all time in PPG over 984GP, all in a low scoring era. 3 Cups, 2 Conn Smythes.

Ovie hasnt even been a top 10 scorer for 6 seasons now. Hes a clear tier below Sid since 2015 or so.

No woulda shoulda coulda there.
 
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Dirtyf1ghter

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Overrated player. Far too individualistic. By far the player who shoots the most in a game and besides that he doesn't do much else. The Ovechkin legend is taller than the player. Understand who can.

Despite everything, I rank him 2nd best attacker among the players born in the 80s.

But it was an extremely weak generation. Dominated by the previous one (70's born), swept away by the next (90's born).
 

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Lol sure the guy who has back to back smythes and the golden goal for canada "will gradually fade" and thats not even counting the rest of his accolades

Crosby's 2016 playoffs - a pace of 65 points and 21 goals as a minus player - is a pretty weak argument.

And his Olympic run where he was nowhere near the best player on the team with a 0.5 PPG and a 0.17 GPG. Oh man what a legendary run.

It's going to be a heavy lift for the Canadian hockey media to continue to prop up these achievements for decades as if they weigh more than an extra Hart trophy and 7 additional rockets.
 
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Tacitus Kilgore

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Crosby's 2016 playoffs - a pace of 65 points and 21 goals as a minus player - is a pretty weak argument.

And his Olympic run where he was nowhere near the best player on the team with a 0.5 PPG and a 0.17 GPG. Oh man what a legendary run.

It's going to be a heavy lift for the Canadian hockey media to continue to prop up these achievements for decades as if they weigh more than an extra Hart trophy and 7 additional rockets.

People aren't going to remember that. They are going to remember the golden goal and the back to back smythes among the tons of other accolades he has. Winning two rockets during Ovi's prime isn't too bad either
 
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Crosby's 2016 playoffs - a pace of 65 points and 21 goals as a minus player - is a pretty weak argument.

And his Olympic run where he was nowhere near the best player on the team with a 0.5 PPG and a 0.17 GPG. Oh man what a legendary run.

It's going to be a heavy lift for the Canadian hockey media to continue to prop up these achievements for decades as if they weigh more than an extra Hart trophy and 7 additional rockets.

Great teams are remembered for a long time. The Penguins teams led by Crosby that won 3 Cups are not going to be forgotten.

Additionally, the golden goal is one of the most iconic moments in Canadian hockey history. That’s all people are going to remember about Crosby when I comes to the Olympics. That he was the best player in the world at the time and he won the Olympics for Canada.
 
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Randyne

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2006/07 Art
120 Points; 38 P (31.7%) assisted by Malkin. If there was another player on 80% as good as Malkin, Art Ross would go to Thornton
2009/10 Rocket
51 Goals; 17 G (33.3%) assisted by Malkin. If there was another player on 93% as good as Malkin, Stamkos wouldn't share Rocket.
 

Nathaniel

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Great player with a great peak followed by extremely low valleys for a player of his supposed stacher and underwhelming playoff career save for one year. 65 69 and 71 Full healthy seasons in his prime is not something you will find on other mega star players.
 

Regal

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2006/07 Art
120 Points; 38 P (31.7%) assisted by Malkin. If there was another player on 80% as good as Malkin, Art Ross would go to Thornton
2009/10 Rocket
51 Goals; 17 G (33.3%) assisted by Malkin. If there was another player on 93% as good as Malkin, Stamkos wouldn't share Rocket.

So if we downgrade Crosby's teammate who he played a bit with 5v5 but mostly played with on the PP, despite the fact that his regular 5v5 linemates have been worse than most star players (and none as good as Backstrom), and don't do the same for other players who also benefit from teammates, he might not have won some awards? Yea, it's still laughable. Backstrom assisted on 18 of Ovechkin's 32 goals in 12-13 (56%) I guess we can say if he had another center who was 78% as good, he would have only had 28 goals and lost the Rocket to Stamkos and might have also lost the Hart if that was the case.
 
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amnesiac

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Crosby's 2016 playoffs - a pace of 65 points and 21 goals as a minus player - is a pretty weak argument.

And his Olympic run where he was nowhere near the best player on the team with a 0.5 PPG and a 0.17 GPG. Oh man what a legendary run.

It's going to be a heavy lift for the Canadian hockey media to continue to prop up these achievements for decades as if they weigh more than an extra Hart trophy and 7 additional rockets.
And you're going to say Ovie deserved his CS over Kuzy of course even though he had inferior numbers.
 
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KoozNetsOff 92

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gimme a break.... another Crosby hater. Dunno how you people can call yourselves hockey fans. Pathetic. :shakehead

the guy is 6th all time in PPG over 984GP, all in a low scoring era. 3 Cups, 2 Conn Smythes.

Ovie hasnt even been a top 10 scorer for 6 seasons now. Hes a clear tier below Sid since 2015 or so.

No woulda shoulda coulda there.

You call him a Crosby hater but comments like this make you come across as a OV hater.

14/15: 2-5
15/16: 6-2
16/17: 12-2
17/18: 9-17
18/19: 7-2
19/20: 13-N/A

Average: 8-6 (not factoring in last season for Crosby which would make his average worse than OV).

Those are their hart finishes since 2015. I'm not sure where you're getting a "clear tier below" from especially considering Crosby has by far the 2 worst finishes between them (17/18 & 19/20). If you want to say Crosby has been better that's one thing, but a different tier is just wrong.
 

Regal

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You call him a Crosby hater but comments like this make you come across as a OV hater.

14/15: 2-5
15/16: 6-2
16/17: 12-2
17/18: 9-17
18/19: 7-2
19/20: 13-N/A

Average: 8-6 (not factoring in last season for Crosby which would make his average worse than OV).

Those are their hart finishes since 2015. I'm not sure where you're getting a "clear tier below" from especially considering Crosby has by far the 2 worst finishes between them (17/18 & 19/20). If you want to say Crosby has been better that's one thing, but a different tier is just wrong.

Hart voting placement has no relevance after the first 4 or 5 players. You can't average this out lol. If you want to add it up, you use voting points. Crosby has 2782 and Ovechkin has 1362. Crosby has 3 relevant years. Ovechkin has 1. He also said since 2015. So it's 3 to 0 or 2644 to 474 in voting points.
 
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KoozNetsOff 92

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And you're going to say Ovie deserved his CS over Kuzy of course even though he had inferior numbers.

Difference between OV's smythe and Crosby's:

-OV led the playoffs in goals (tied the era best with 15)
-OV was well over PPG, Crosby was well below PPG
-OV was 5pts behind the pts leader, Crosby was 11pts behind
-OV was a + player, Crosby was a -

Not comparable at all.
 

KoozNetsOff 92

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Hart voting placement has no relevance after the first 4 or 5 players. You can't average this out lol. Crosby has 3 relevant years. Ovechkin has 1. He also said since 2015. So it's 3 to 0

It's not hard to average it out. Between the two of them, OV is the last one to finish as the highest ranked skater. Crosby in his runner up years finished so far behind 1st that he's just as irrelevant as everyone else.
 

Regal

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It's not hard to average it out. Between the two of them, OV is the last one to finish as the highest ranked skater. Crosby in his runner up years finished so far behind 1st that he's just as irrelevant as everyone else.

That's not how it works. The reason voting results after the first few players are irrelevant is because there's only 5 voting placements, so the later finishes are based on only a handful of votes and aren't a proper indication of where they would finish if every writer was ranking every skater. Crosby finishing a distant 2nd is still relevant because the vast majority of the writers have him on the ballot. Ovechkin finishing 12th in '17 because a random writer threw him an indefensible 2nd place vote isn't relevant. If we add up their actual voting points, Crosby has a 2782 to 1362 lead over these years and a 2644 to 474 lead the past 5 seasons.

Also, Ovechkin finishing as the highest skater in '15 is meaningless because the main reason Price won is because of the lack of a great season by a skater. Ovechkin had 888 voting points and 56.58% of the vote share. Crosby had 1104 voting points and 66.11% of the vote share in 16-17
 
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