When will we see Bergevin make a major move

gusfring

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I completely agree with this.

If you look back at a lot of big signings and trades, they end up being disasters.

I'm glad we have a GM whose patient and I think he's smart enough to know when we're close to being contenders and then he'll make the moves to put us over the top.

Then why sign Briere?
 
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Grant McCagg

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So if I'm reading this correctly.since others in the division have made big trades, whether it makes sense or not, Bergevin should do so as well?

Sure - make a big trade if it's going to benefit the team, but how often does a steal come along? Nobody's giving away stars on the other 29 teams.

This team has not played with a healthy lineup all season - last night was the closest to that, and that was with several guys playing less than 100 per cent in Gally, Patch, Emelin, Moen and Prust. Why not give the players a few games together healthy before looking at anything drastic? I'm glad that Bergevin isn't a completely reactionary GM like Houle. He hasn't even had this roster for a full season yet

I would imagine Bergevin wouldn't mind dealing Desharnais, but what other team wants that contract? What's the demand for 5-7 centermen on pace for 4 points with $14M owed to them?

With a healthy lineup, this team might be pretty good, especially if Therrien can resist the temptation to play Desharnais and Bouillon on power plays, and at the end of games etc. Unfortunately that's a big if.

why not try this lineup for a few games:

Chucky Eller Gally
Patch Pleks Gionta
Bourny Briere Bourque
Prust White Moen/Parros
DD


Subban Markov
Emelin Gorges
Diaz Bouillon/Murray

Moreso than a big trade....something needs to be done with Desharnais. It's time for the organization to own up to the mistake and deal with the issue sooner rather than later, or the season will be lost.

Bergevin needs to swallow his pride and demote him, Molson needs to stop worrying about making money and approve the move with nary a blink, and Therrien needs to move on from the man crush he has on David..never to be given the opportunity to play him in the last minute of a hockey game again.
 

Lshap

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So if I'm reading this correctly.since others in the division have made big trades, whether it makes sense or not, Bergevin should do so as well?

Sure - make a big trade if it's going to benefit the team, but how often does a steal come along? Nobody's giving away stars on the other 29 teams.

This team has not played with a healthy lineup all season - last night was the closest to that, and that was with several guys playing less than 100 per cent in Gally, Patch, Emelin, Moen and Prust. Why not give the players a few games together healthy before looking at anything drastic? I'm glad that Bergevin isn't a completely reactionary GM like Houle. He hasn't even had this roster for a full season yet

I would imagine Bergevin wouldn't mind dealing Desharnais, but what other team wants that contract? What's the demand for 5-7 centermen on pace for 4 points with $14M owed to them?

With a healthy lineup, this team might be pretty good, especially if Therrien can resist the temptation to play Desharnais and Bouillon on power plays, and at the end of games etc. Unfortunately that's a big if.

why not try this lineup for a few games:

Chucky Eller Gally
Patch Pleks Gionta
Bourny Briere Bourque
Prust White Moen/Parros
DD


Subban Markov
Emelin Gorges
Diaz Bouillon/Murray

Moreso than a big trade....something needs to be done with Desharnais. It's time for the organization to own up to the mistake and deal with the issue sooner rather than later, or the season will be lost.

Bergevin needs to swallow his pride and demote him, Molson needs to stop worrying about making money and approve the move with nary a blink, and Therrien needs to move on from the man crush he has on David..never to be given the opportunity to play him in the last minute of a hockey game again.

At this point, the Desharnais situation has moved so far beyond logic that it's reached a parallel logic at the other end of the continuum. In other words, watching Desharnais being fed prime ice-time is so bizarre it can only mean he's being shined up for a trade. If not, I give up trying to impose sense on chaos.

By the way, I like your lineup.
 

otto bond

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in my opinion, you must be creative in order to make a trade. They are all gamble. I don't see Bergeron making trades. Also, I haven't like most of his moves. Honestly the one I dislike the most is the Briefs signing.
 

WakeUpNHL

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So if I'm reading this correctly.since others in the division have made big trades, whether it makes sense or not, Bergevin should do so as well?

Sure - make a big trade if it's going to benefit the team, but how often does a steal come along? Nobody's giving away stars on the other 29 teams.

This team has not played with a healthy lineup all season - last night was the closest to that, and that was with several guys playing less than 100 per cent in Gally, Patch, Emelin, Moen and Prust. Why not give the players a few games together healthy before looking at anything drastic? I'm glad that Bergevin isn't a completely reactionary GM like Houle. He hasn't even had this roster for a full season yet

I would imagine Bergevin wouldn't mind dealing Desharnais, but what other team wants that contract? What's the demand for 5-7 centermen on pace for 4 points with $14M owed to them?

With a healthy lineup, this team might be pretty good, especially if Therrien can resist the temptation to play Desharnais and Bouillon on power plays, and at the end of games etc. Unfortunately that's a big if.

why not try this lineup for a few games:

Chucky Eller Gally
Patch Pleks Gionta
Bourny Briere Bourque
Prust White Moen/Parros
DD


Subban Markov
Emelin Gorges
Diaz Bouillon/Murray

Moreso than a big trade....something needs to be done with Desharnais. It's time for the organization to own up to the mistake and deal with the issue sooner rather than later, or the season will be lost.

Bergevin needs to swallow his pride and demote him, Molson needs to stop worrying about making money and approve the move with nary a blink, and Therrien needs to move on from the man crush he has on David..never to be given the opportunity to play him in the last minute of a hockey game again.

Whatever do you mean??
DD is a hero!
Did you not see DD score that shootout winner?
Did you not see DD hailed as a hero on RDS tv and website?
Did you not see DD hailed as a hero on the front page of Journal de Montreal?
Did you not see DD praised as a shootout specialist by Bergevin on L'antichambre?
Did you not see Therrrien give DD over 18 min ice time last game?

Give your head a shake buddy.. DD is here to stay... a real hero!:sarcasm:
 

MXD

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Whatever do you mean??
DD is a hero!
Did you not see DD score that shootout winner?
Did you not see DD hailed as a hero on RDS tv and website?
Did you not see DD hailed as a hero on the front page of Journal de Montreal?
Did you not see DD praised as a shootout specialist by Bergevin on L'antichambre?
Did you not see Therrrien give DD over 18 min ice time last game?

Give your head a shake buddy.. DD is here to stay... a real hero!:sarcasm:

Get freed of your Stockholm Syndrome.
 

OldCraig71

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You serious? Cole has 1g 5a in 20 games in dallas. Do you really think hed do better in mtl and all that for 4m$?

I just dont understand why Ryder was let walk as a producing forward in favour of a guy that has done absolutely nothing except have a goal go in off his body and dissappear every night.
 

Alexdaman

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I just dont understand why Ryder was let walk as a producing forward in favour of a guy that has done absolutely nothing except have a goal go in off his body and dissappear every night.

Having either cole or ryder on the roster doesnt do any good for the team on the long run. OK briere isnt the solution too...

I believe the only way this team can become a contender is if gallagher, eller and especially galchenyuk can perform like they did against the isles on a regular basis. All else is futile when it comes to forwards. Pleky will never an offensive monster, desharnais lacks too much personal scoring abilities, gionta is going down fast, briere too, and finally bourque and pacioretty always seem to do things they shouldnt be doing and missing the opportunity to be good at what theyre made up to be (playing physical and crashing the net.

Ryder and cole had as much or more issues than the current lineup so i dont think we miss anything from not having them, since the only this team can progress is if EGG can become dominant and #1.
 

PunkinDrublic*

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Price-Patches-(DD for $ purposes) for Malkin and Fleury

Crosby already helped out Bergevin by saying Price is the best goalie in the world.
 

Pierre Dagenais

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I just dont understand why Ryder was let walk as a producing forward in favour of a guy that has done absolutely nothing except have a goal go in off his body and dissappear every night.

Maybe Ryder didn't want to play in Montreal? He didn't even show up on the last day of the season.
 

OldCraig71

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Having either cole or ryder on the roster doesnt do any good for the team on the long run. OK briere isnt the solution too...

I believe the only way this team can become a contender is if gallagher, eller and especially galchenyuk can perform like they did against the isles on a regular basis. All else is futile when it comes to forwards. Pleky will never an offensive monster, desharnais lacks too much personal scoring abilities, gionta is going down fast, briere too, and finally bourque and pacioretty always seem to do things they shouldnt be doing and missing the opportunity to be good at what theyre made up to be (playing physical and crashing the net.

Ryder and cole had as much or more issues than the current lineup so i dont think we miss anything from not having them, since the only this team can progress is if EGG can become dominant and #1.

Let's not put all of our EGGs in one basket.
 

Scintillating10

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So if I'm reading this correctly.since others in the division have made big trades, whether it makes sense or not, Bergevin should do so as well?

Sure - make a big trade if it's going to benefit the team, but how often does a steal come along? Nobody's giving away stars on the other 29 teams.

This team has not played with a healthy lineup all season - last night was the closest to that, and that was with several guys playing less than 100 per cent in Gally, Patch, Emelin, Moen and Prust. Why not give the players a few games together healthy before looking at anything drastic? I'm glad that Bergevin isn't a completely reactionary GM like Houle. He hasn't even had this roster for a full season yet

I would imagine Bergevin wouldn't mind dealing Desharnais, but what other team wants that contract? What's the demand for 5-7 centermen on pace for 4 points with $14M owed to them?

With a healthy lineup, this team might be pretty good, especially if Therrien can resist the temptation to play Desharnais and Bouillon on power plays, and at the end of games etc. Unfortunately that's a big if.

why not try this lineup for a few games:

Chucky Eller Gally
Patch Pleks Gionta
Bourny Briere Bourque
Prust White Moen/Parros
DD


Subban Markov
Emelin Gorges
Diaz Bouillon/Murray

Moreso than a big trade....something needs to be done with Desharnais. It's time for the organization to own up to the mistake and deal with the issue sooner rather than later, or the season will be lost.

Bergevin needs to swallow his pride and demote him, Molson needs to stop worrying about making money and approve the move with nary a blink, and Therrien needs to move on from the man crush he has on David..never to be given the opportunity to play him in the last minute of a hockey game again.

Every team has to deal with injuries. Look at the injuries Columbus had last game?Overall, it should balance out. Unless among league leaders in games lost.
 

ECWHSWI

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Every team has to deal with injuries. Look at the injuries Columbus had last game?Overall, it should balance out. Unless among league leaders in games lost.

look where they are in the standings... think they'd take a healthy Gaborik about NOW.

It should, but it rarely does.
 

Lafleurs Guy

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So if I'm reading this correctly.since others in the division have made big trades, whether it makes sense or not, Bergevin should do so as well?

Sure - make a big trade if it's going to benefit the team, but how often does a steal come along? Nobody's giving away stars on the other 29 teams.

This team has not played with a healthy lineup all season - last night was the closest to that, and that was with several guys playing less than 100 per cent in Gally, Patch, Emelin, Moen and Prust. Why not give the players a few games together healthy before looking at anything drastic? I'm glad that Bergevin isn't a completely reactionary GM like Houle. He hasn't even had this roster for a full season yet

I would imagine Bergevin wouldn't mind dealing Desharnais, but what other team wants that contract? What's the demand for 5-7 centermen on pace for 4 points with $14M owed to them?

With a healthy lineup, this team might be pretty good, especially if Therrien can resist the temptation to play Desharnais and Bouillon on power plays, and at the end of games etc. Unfortunately that's a big if.

why not try this lineup for a few games:

Chucky Eller Gally
Patch Pleks Gionta
Bourny Briere Bourque
Prust White Moen/Parros
DD


Subban Markov
Emelin Gorges
Diaz Bouillon/Murray

Moreso than a big trade....something needs to be done with Desharnais. It's time for the organization to own up to the mistake and deal with the issue sooner rather than later, or the season will be lost.

Bergevin needs to swallow his pride and demote him, Molson needs to stop worrying about making money and approve the move with nary a blink, and Therrien needs to move on from the man crush he has on David..never to be given the opportunity to play him in the last minute of a hockey game again.
Some good points here. Personally I'd swap Gionta with Bournival in your lineup but otherwise I think it looks good. Also we may have to start thinking about putting Markov with Emelin on the 2nd pairing. Also, I'd call up Tinordi and have him and Diaz on the 3rd. That's about it for monkeying with what we already have.

Again though, it comes down to direction and us having to pick a path. This team always seems to half rebuild half go for it. The Markov situation is an interesting one now because it's time to re-up with him. Well, if we do re-up with him he's got maybe a couple of years of playing at a good level. So if you sign him then we should probably look at making some moves to try to win now.

However, I don't think we're good enough to really contend even with Markov playing well. I actually think we'd be better off dealing him for a guy who might not be as good but can help us for longer - extending our window.

Signing Markov and then not doing anything else though (which is what I think will happen) doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me.
 

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