When will we see Bergevin make a major move

[LyricalLyricist]

Hey guys,
I'm kinda new to HF boards (last posted a couple of YEARS ago). Used to love the discussions happening here. I think that Bergevin should get rid of some of the "old guard" (i.e. Plekanec, Bouillon). I know Plek's is a consistent point geter but I think we need to make room for some fresh taken. I obviously think Desharnais' contract was a big mistake. From what I'm seeing from the team this year, it look alike we're in for a long season unless some major moves are made. How sweet would another top round pic look alongside Galchenyuk, Gallagher, and Eller?

Welcome back then.

I think you can get rid of Plekanec when someone can replace him without sacrificing major depth. In our case, we can't. Boullion and others? Absoutely.

As for another top pick. Oilers mastered this technique and its not working. I'm not opposed to strong asset management and getting 1st and 2nd rounders for assets we don't need but I'm not sure tanking is the way to go. In 2007 habs drafted McDonagh, Pacioretty and Subban. I'd take this type of talent again and it's not a top 5 pick. We can still compete and acquire talent.

 

[fsdev905]

Who will replace Plekanec? When you're on a 5-3 PK, who do you send out?

When you're playing a bona-fide #1 Centre, who do you put on the ice to check his line?

 

[Brainiac]

Major move? Sure man, sign Subban to an 8 years deal!

 

[HatTricK09]

Underrated big move: Stephane Waite

 

[yoyo999]

If you're talking about the Leafs, Peter Holland and David Bolland are not major moves. David Clarkson is not a major move. They are desperate moves. The leafs have a mandate to win now. They don't rebuild. Those moves all involved throwing away high picks/prospects for players that can play now.

They missed the playoffs for 9 years and got absolutely embarassed in round one last year. They need to win now.

Geoff Molson isn't MLSE. He preaches patience. Even with the pick that got us Galchenyuk, that mandate wasn't 'trade it away for someone who can play now' ala Phil Kessel.

 

[Ezpz]

Underrated big move: Stephane Waite

Yes Price has been fantastic under Waite.

 

[JayKing]

Underrated big move: Stephane Waite

I'm not a Carey Price hater, but lets not forget that he was the Vezina favorite at some point late in the season last year. You can see he's more aggressive, but I'm skeptical.

 

[OneSharpMarble]

So far he is just making a lot of little "nothing" moves like Gainey used to. I am not sure I want to see Bergevin make a big move, my confidence in him is low.

 

[NobleSix]

Don't have enough assets to make a "major move", without gutting the team and messing up our core. Only valuable assets we have are Subban, Price, Eller, Gallagher, Galchenyuk, and maybe Plekanec and Emelin. God forbid MB trade any of these guys or every single spastic hab fan would piss their pants, cry, and riot.

Ill welcome bigger moves in about 2 years. No sense making any bold moves now. It's only year two of the rebuild.

 

[BLONG7]

So far he is just making a lot of little "nothing" moves like Gainey used to. I am not sure I want to see Bergevin make a big move, my confidence in him is low.

He has preached, patience and build through the draft...that takes time, unfortunately...

 

[Smokey Thompson]

Well according to Capgeek we'll have around 11m AAV at the deadline if he's willing to make a move to improve the team going into the playoffs. Unfortunately, I don't think adding 1 or 2 players to this team can make us a contender.

He inherited a young team with some very good players, and a lot of average to bad players. He's made a few moves, and he still has a young team with some very good players, but a lot of average to bad players. He seems to want to fix the issue of having a lot of average to bad players through patience and the draft. So it doesn't look like he'll be making any major moves.

As of now we'll have around 21m in cap space this offseason. If he signs Diaz to 3m, Subban to 7m, Markov to 5m, and Eller to 4m, we'll only have 2m left in cap space... This is quite the problem as we'll essentially go into next season with the same average team minus Gionta and Bourray, plus (hopefully) improved Beaulieu and Tinordi.

This leads me to believe that Bergevin has one of two things in mind.
A) He's going to try to move deadweight in Bourque and Desharnais, which would clear nearly 7m, and thus removing 2 of his average to bad players. He could then use that to build a real 3rd line with big bangers who can play defensively and chip in for some clutch goals, or use it to sign a guy like Vanek.

B) He moves Markov for (hopefully) a nice return. If he does this, I'd go for a 1st rounder in 2015 + a good prospect, kind of like the Rivet trade. However I'd much rather he opt for option A, as Markov still has at least another 3 years left and moving him would greatly deteriorate the already slim offensive capabilities of our blue line.

I guess you can consider moving Markov a major trade if it happens. And if the rumors of a longterm Diaz extension are true, option B may happen.

 

[OneSharpMarble]

He has preached, patience and build through the draft...that takes time, unfortunately...

So in reality Bergevin wont be contributing to the team at all, just cross our fingers and hope Timmins can build this team I guess. I just said it in the OOT thread aswell but Bergevin needs to be active on the trade market with inquiries and trying to steal assets, if he isn't going to do that we could have Helen Keller as our GM and get the same result.

 

[Jerky]

Everything that's been done under Marc Bergevin's tenure thus far, with Trades, Free Agent acquisitions and Waiver claims bolded


Date Team Acquired Relinquished Notes
2012-05-01 Canadiens Marc Bergevin hired as GM
2012-05-28 Canadiens Scott Mellanby hired as director of player personnel
2012-05-30 Canadiens Nathan Beaulieu signed 2011 first round pick to a 3-year entry level contract
2012-06-05 Canadiens Michel Therrien hired as head coach
2012-06-06 Canadiens Randy Cunneyworth fired as assistant coach
2012-06-06 Canadiens Randy Ladouceur fired as assistant coach
2012-06-13 Canadiens Martin Lapointe hired as director of player development
2012-06-13 Canadiens Patrice Brisebois hired as player development coach
2012-06-13 Canadiens Sylvain Lefebvre hired as AHL head coach
2012-06-14 Canadiens Steven Quailer / Steve Quailer signed to a 2-year contract
2012-06-15 Canadiens Clement Jodoin promoted to assistant coach
2012-06-15 Canadiens Gerard Gallant hired as assistant coach
2012-06-22 Canadiens Alex Galchenyuk first round pick (#3 overall)
2012-06-23 Canadiens Brady Vail fourth round pick (#94 overall)
2012-06-23 Canadiens Charles Hudon fifth round pick (#122 overall)
2012-06-23 Canadiens Dalton Thrower second round pick (#51 overall)
2012-06-23 Canadiens Erik Nystrom sixth round pick (#154 overall)
2012-06-23 Canadiens Sebastien Collberg second round pick (#33 overall)
2012-06-23 Canadiens Tim Bozon third round pick (#64 overall)
2012-06-25 Canadiens Michael Blunden / Mike Blunden team declined to tender qualifying offer, making player an unrestricted free agent
2012-06-25 Canadiens Petteri Nokelainen team declined to tender qualifying offer, making player an unrestricted free agent
2012-06-25 Canadiens Aaron Palushaj team tendered qualifying offer, making player a restricted free agent
2012-06-25 Canadiens Alexei Emelin team tendered qualifying offer, making player a restricted free agent
2012-06-25 Canadiens Andreas Engqvist team tendered qualifying offer, making player a restricted free agent
2012-06-25 Canadiens Blake Geoffrion team tendered qualifying offer, making player a restricted free agent
2012-06-25 Canadiens Brendon Nash team tendered qualifying offer, making player a restricted free agent
2012-06-25 Canadiens Frederic St. Denis / Frederic St-Denis team tendered qualifying offer, making player a restricted free agent
2012-06-25 Canadiens Lars Eller team tendered qualifying offer, making player a restricted free agent
2012-06-25 Canadiens P.K. Subban team tendered qualifying offer, making player a restricted free agent
2012-06-25 Canadiens Raphael Diaz team tendered qualifying offer, making player a restricted free agent
2012-06-25 Canadiens Ryan White team tendered qualifying offer, making player a restricted free agent
2012-06-26 Canadiens Ryan White re-signed to a 1-year contract
2012-06-27 Canadiens Andreas Engqvist signed with the Atlant Mytischi of the Kontinental Hockey League (KHL)
2012-06-28 Canadiens Brendon Nash re-signed to a 1-year, two way contract
2012-06-28 Canadiens Petteri Nokelainen re-signed to a 1-year contract
2012-06-29 Canadiens Jean-Jacques Daigneault / J.J. Daigneault hired as assistant coach
2012-06-29 Canadiens Travis Moen re-signed to a 4-year contract
2012-06-30 Canadiens Alexei Emelin re-signed to a 2-year contract
2012-07-01 Canadiens Andrew Conboy team declined to tender qualifying offer, making player an unrestricted free agent
2012-07-01 Canadiens Dany Masse team declined to tender qualifying offer, making player an unrestricted free agent
2012-07-01 Canadiens Hunter Bishop team declined to tender qualifying offer, making player an unrestricted free agent
2012-07-01 Canadiens Mark Mitera team declined to tender qualifying offer, making player an unrestricted free agent
2012-07-01 Canadiens Olivier Fortier team declined to tender qualifying offer, making player an unrestricted free agent
2012-07-01 Canadiens Robert Slaney team declined to tender qualifying offer, making player an unrestricted free agent
2012-07-01 Canadiens Alex Henry player became an unrestricted free agent
2012-07-01 Canadiens Brad Staubitz player became an unrestricted free agent
2012-07-01 Canadiens Brian Willsie player became an unrestricted free agent
2012-07-01 Canadiens Chris Campoli player became an unrestricted free agent
2012-07-01 Canadiens Garrett Stafford player became an unrestricted free agent
2012-07-01 Canadiens Joe Callahan player became an unrestricted free agent
2012-07-01 Canadiens Mathieu Darche player became an unrestricted free agent
2012-07-01 Canadiens Nathan Lawson player became an unrestricted free agent
2012-07-01 Canadiens Brandon Prust signed unrestricted free agent to a 4-year contract
2012-07-01 Canadiens Cedrick Desjardins signed unrestricted free agent to a 1-year, two way contract
2012-07-01 Canadiens Colby Armstrong signed unrestricted free agent to a 1-year contract
2012-07-01 Canadiens Francis Bouillon signed unrestricted free agent to a 1-year contract
2012-07-01 Canadiens Michael Blunden / Mike Blunden re-signed unrestricted free agent to a 1-year contract
2012-07-02 Canadiens Carey Price re-signed restricted free agent to a 6-year contract
2012-07-05 Canadiens Frederic St. Denis / Frederic St-Denis re-signed restricted free agent to a 1-year, two way contract
2012-07-06 Canadiens Kyle Hagel signed unrestricted free agent by Hamilton Bulldogs (AHL) to a 1-year contract
2012-07-06 Canadiens Lars Eller re-signed restricted free agent to a 2-year contract
2012-07-12 Canadiens Aaron Palushaj re-signed restricted free agent to a 1-year contract
2012-07-13 Canadiens Raphael Diaz re-signed restricted free agent to a 2-year contract
2012-07-16 Canadiens Blake Geoffrion re-signed restricted free agent to a 1-year, two way contract
2012-07-23 Canadiens Alex Galchenyuk signed 2012 first round pick to a 3-year entry level contract
2012-08-13 Canadiens Max Pacioretty re-signed to a 6-year contract extension
2012-08-15 Canadiens Luca Ciampini invited to training camp
2012-09-14 Canadiens Michael Blunden / Mike Blunden waived
2012-09-16 Canadiens Tomas Plekanec signed with HC Kladno (Czech Republic)
2012-09-17 Canadiens Raphael Diaz signed with EV Zug (Switzerland)
2012-09-18 Canadiens Yannick Weber signed with Geneve-Servette HC (Switzerland)
2012-09-18 Canadiens Daultan Leveille signed unrestricted free agent to a 1-year, two way contract
2012-09-18 Canadiens Olivier Fortier re-signed unrestricted free agent to a 1-year, two way contract
2012-09-18 Canadiens Stefan Chaput signed unrestricted free agent to a 1-year, two way contract
2012-09-21 Canadiens Tomas Kaberle signed with HC Kladno (Czech Republic)
2012-09-24 Canadiens Max Pacioretty signed with HC Ambri-Piotta (Switzerland)
2012-09-28 Canadiens Scott Gomez signed by the Alaska Aces (ECHL)
2012-10-03 Canadiens Andrei Markov signed with Vityaz Chekhov (KHL)
2012-10-13 Canadiens Alexei Emelin signed with Ak Bars Kazan (KHL)
2012-10-29 Canadiens Lars Eller signed with JYP-SM-Liiga (Finland)
2012-11-02 Canadiens David Desharnais signed with the Fribourg-Gotteron (Switzerland)
2012-12-05 Canadiens Colby Armstrong signed by the Utah Grizzlies (ECHL)
2012-12-11 Canadiens Alain Berger signed with SC Bern (Switzerland)
2013-01-08 Canadiens Mike Commodore invited unrestricted free agent to training camp
2013-01-13 Canadiens Alain Berger waived
2013-01-13 Canadiens Cedrick Desjardins waived
2013-01-14 Canadiens Jason DeSantis Brendon Nash trade with Panthers
2013-01-14 Canadiens Riley Armstrong signed unrestricted free agent to a PTO / signed by the Hamilton Bulldogs (AHL)
2013-01-16 Canadiens Scott Gomez waived (team bought out contract)
2013-01-17 Canadiens Frederic St. Denis / Frederic St-Denis waived
2013-01-17 Canadiens Michael Blunden / Mike Blunden waived
2013-01-22 Canadiens Mike Commodore released (from AHL)
2013-01-28 Canadiens P.K. Subban re-signed restricted free agent to a 2-year contract
2013-02-04 Canadiens Aaron Palushaj waived
2013-02-14 Canadiens Dustin Tokarski Cedrick Desjardins trade with Lightning
2013-02-19 Canadiens Robert Mayer signed with EHC Biel (Switzerland)
2013-02-26 Canadiens Michael Ryder / Mike Ryder, 2013 third round pick (#71-Connor Crisp) Erik Cole trade with Stars
2013-03-13 Canadiens Blake Geoffrion retired
2013-03-14 Canadiens Petteri Nokelainen waived
2013-03-15 Canadiens David Desharnais re-signed to a 4-year contract extension
2013-03-17 Canadiens Darren Dietz signed 2011 fifth round pick to a 3-year entry level contract
2013-03-18 Canadiens Brady Vail signed by the Hamilton Bulldogs (AHL) to an amateur try-out contract
2013-03-20 Canadiens Francis Bouillon re-signed to a 1-year contract extension
2013-03-23 Canadiens Jeff Halpern claimed off waivers (from Rangers)
2013-03-30 Canadiens Tomas Kaberle waived
2013-04-01 Canadiens Olivier Archambault signed by the Hamilton Bulldogs (AHL) to an amateur try-out contract
2013-04-02 Canadiens Davis Drewiske 2013 fifth round pick (#146-Patrik Bartosak) trade with Kings
2013-04-03 Canadiens Danny Kristo signed to a 2-year entry level contract
2013-04-04 Canadiens Charles Hudon signed by the Hamilton Bulldogs (AHL) to an amateur try-out contract
2013-04-10 Canadiens Magnus Nygren signed by the Hamilton Bulldogs (AHL) to an amateur try-out contract
2013-04-10 Canadiens Peter Budaj re-signed to a 2-year contract extension
2013-04-14 Canadiens Sebastian Collberg signed by the Hamilton Bulldogs (AHL) to a professional try-out contract
2013-05-03 Canadiens Alexander Avtsin released
2013-05-05 Canadiens Charles Hudon signed 2012 fifth round pick to a 3-year entry level contract
2013-05-08 Canadiens Michael Condon / Mike Condon signed free agent to a 2-year contract entry level contract
2013-05-14 Canadiens Magnus Nygren signed to a 2-year entry level contract
2013-05-21 Canadiens Sebastian Collberg signed to a 3-year entry level contract
2013-05-27 Canadiens Shane Churla hired to position in amateur scouting department
2013-05-30 Canadiens Tim Bozon signed 2012 third round pick to a 3-year entry level contract
2013-06-01 Canadiens Daniel Pribyl 2011 sixth round pick not signed
2013-06-01 Canadiens Olivier Archambault 2011 fourth round pick not signed
2013-06-03 Canadiens Pierre Groulx fired as goaltending coach
2013-06-13 Canadiens Davis Drewiske re-signed to a 2-year contract extension through 2014-15
2013-06-17 Canadiens Jason DeSantis signed with HIFK (Finland)
2013-06-23 Canadiens Tomas Kaberle team bought out remainder of contract
2013-06-24 Canadiens Ben Duffy signed free agent to a tryout contract
2013-06-24 Canadiens Gabriel Desjardins signed free agent to an entry level contract
2013-06-24 Canadiens Stephen Macaulay signed free agent to a tryout contract
2013-06-28 Canadiens Michael Blunden / Mike Blunden re-signed to a 1-year, two way contract
2013-06-28 Canadiens Ryan White team tendered qualifying offer, making player a restricted free agent
2013-06-30 Canadiens Artturi Lehkonen second round pick (#55 overall)
2013-06-30 Canadiens Connor Crisp third round pick (#71 overall)
2013-06-30 Canadiens Jacob de la Rose second round pick (#34 overall)
2013-06-30 Canadiens Jeremy Gregoire sixth round pick (#176 overall)
2013-06-30 Canadiens Martin Reway fourth round pick (#116 overall)
2013-06-30 Canadiens Michael McCarron first round pick (#25 overall)
2013-06-30 Canadiens Sven Andrighetto third round pick (#86 overall)
2013-06-30 Canadiens Zachary Fucale / Zach Fucale second round pick (#36 overall)
2013-06-30 Canadiens 2014 seventh round pick (?-?) 2013 seventh round pick (#206-Mackenzie Weegar) trade with Panthers
2013-07-02 Canadiens Ian Schultz team declined to tender qualifying offer, making player an unrestricted free agent
2013-07-02 Canadiens Joe Stejskal team declined to tender qualifying offer, making player an unrestricted free agent
2013-07-02 Canadiens Yannick Weber team declined to tender qualifying offer, making player an unrestricted free agent
2013-07-02 Canadiens Christian Thomas Danny Kristo trade with Rangers
2013-07-02 Canadiens Dustin Tokarski team tendered qualifying offer, making player a restricted free agent
2013-07-02 Canadiens Gabriel Dumont team tendered qualifying offer, making player a restricted free agent
2013-07-02 Canadiens Robert Mayer team tendered qualifying offer, making player a restricted free agent
2013-07-04 Canadiens Daniel Briere / Danny Briere signed free agent to a 2-year contract
2013-07-04 Canadiens Stephane Waite hired as goaltending coach
2013-07-05 Canadiens Blake Geoffrion player became an unrestricted free agent
2013-07-05 Canadiens Colby Armstrong player became an unrestricted free agent
2013-07-05 Canadiens Frederic St. Denis / Frederic St-Denis player became an unrestricted free agent
2013-07-05 Canadiens Jason DeSantis player became an unrestricted free agent
2013-07-05 Canadiens Jeff Halpern player became an unrestricted free agent
2013-07-05 Canadiens Kyle Klubertanz player became an unrestricted free agent
2013-07-05 Canadiens Petteri Nokelainen player became an unrestricted free agent
2013-07-05 Canadiens George Parros Philippe Lefebvre, 2014 seventh round pick (?-?) trade with Panthers
2013-07-05 Canadiens Michael Ryder / Mike Ryder player became an unrestricted free agent
2013-07-06 Canadiens Martin St. Pierre signed free agent to a 1-year, two way contract
2013-07-06 Canadiens Nick Tarnasky signed unrestricted free agent to a 1-year, two way contract
2013-07-06 Canadiens Robert Mayer re-signed restricted free agent to a 2-year, two way contract
2013-07-06 Canadiens Stefan Fournier signed free agent to a 3-year entry level contract
2013-07-08 Canadiens Stephen Macaulay signed to a 1-year minor league contract with Hamilton Bulldogs (AHL)
2013-07-10 Canadiens Gabriel Dumont re-signed restricted free agent to a 2-year, two way contract
2013-07-12 Canadiens Ben Duffy signed free agent to a 1-year, two way contract with Hamilton Bulldogs (AHL)
2013-07-12 Canadiens Michael McCarron signed 2013 first round pick to a 3-year entry level contract
2013-07-13 Canadiens Gabriel Desjardins signed by the Lake Erie Monsters (AHL)
2013-07-13 Canadiens Ryan White re-signed restricted free agent to a 1-year contract
2013-07-15 Canadiens Sven Andrighetto signed 2013 third round pick to a 3-year entry level contract
2013-08-02 Canadiens Erik Nystrom signed 2012 sixth round pick by the Hamilton Bulldogs (AHL) to a PTO
2013-08-02 Canadiens Stefan Chaput signed to a 1-year, two way contract
2013-08-12 Canadiens Bill Zito hired as assistant GM
2013-08-12 Canadiens Justin Courtnall signed by the Hamilton Bulldogs (AHL)
2013-08-12 Canadiens Matt Grassi signed
2013-08-19 Canadiens Dustin Tokarski re-signed restricted free agent to a 1-year, two way contract
2013-08-20 Canadiens Joel Chouinard signed unrestricted free agent to a 1-year, two way contract
2013-08-22 Canadiens Douglas Murray / Doug Murray (b) signed unrestricted free agent to a 1-year contract
2013-09-03 Canadiens Matt Lashoff invited unrestricted free agent to training camp
2013-09-14 Canadiens Zachary Fucale / Zach Fucale signed 2013 second round pick to a 3-year entry level contract
2013-09-16 Canadiens Matt Lashoff released
2013-09-22 Canadiens Nick Tarnasky waived
2013-10-31 Canadiens Alexei Emelin re-signed to a 4-year contract extension

 

[BLONG7]

So in reality Bergevin wont be contributing to the team at all, just cross our fingers and hope Timmins can build this team I guess. I just said it in the OOT thread aswell but Bergevin needs to be active on the trade market with inquiries and trying to steal assets, if he isn't going to do that we could have Helen Keller as our GM and get the same result.

Yes, he should be active, like Holmgren... and Slats, GM's like that who have won multiple Cups in the last few years...

 

[Agnostic]

It's going to happen in about a month once Diaz Markov and Gionta are signed.

Dudley's going to walk into Bergevin''s office admitting he had an Excel cap spreadsheet glitch and there is actually negative 6 dollars left to sign Subban.

 

[MXD]

Silfverberg+ for Bobby Ryan

- Would've been pissed if I was a Sens fan.

Seguin + Peverley for Eriksson+

- Would've been extremely pissed if I was a Bruins fan.

Pominville for futures

Rebuilding trade, Habs are not there.

Vanek for Moulson + 1st

See above.

Bernier for Frattin & Scrivens

This is not a major move. Like, Eller for Halak was bigger.

Bolland for picks ( ok I'm pushing it, but it's still a great deal for the Leafs)

Habs aren't at the stage to give up picks either.

 

[DJ Breadman]

prob never, habs seem to overrate their prospects big time, same with their roster players

 

[JayKing]

- Would've been pissed if I was a Sens fan.

- Would've been extremely pissed if I was a Bruins fan.

Rebuilding trade, Habs are not there.

See above.

This is not a major move. Like, Eller for Halak was bigger.

Habs aren't at the stage to give up picks either.

You missed the point. The guy I was replying to said that major trades don't exist in the NHL. I was just giving examples of what I considered major trades that happened recently in our division.

 

[Domenic]

So far he is just making a lot of little "nothing" moves like Gainey used to. I am not sure I want to see Bergevin make a big move, my confidence in him is low.

Bergevin has proven in the past that he is unable to build a winner.

OK fine he helped build the Blackhawks, but aside from that, what has he done?

Bergevin

 

[Habsawce]

Therrien traded for a KFC 8 piece meal and 3 long-distance calling cards valued at $30.

Get it done MB.

 

[MXD]

You missed the point. The guy I was replying to said that major trades don't exist in the NHL. I was just giving examples of what I considered major trades that happened recently in our division.

I kinda realized that.
But I really prefer the GM of my team to make minor, non-stupid moves, rather than major, stupid moves.

And I actually prefer minor, stupid moves to major, stupid moves, which a few of those examples were.

 

[MXD]

Bergevin has proven in the past that he is unable to build a winner.

OK fine he helped build the Blackhawks, but aside from that, what has he done?

Bergevin

.... Nothing, because he was... actually playing.

But HERE, I admit my sarcasm detector is off.

 

[OneSharpMarble]

Yes, he should be active, like Holmgren... and Slats, GM's like that who have won multiple Cups in the last few years...

Slats, you mean the guy who got a #1 dman for a cap dump? Boy I sure hope we never make a move like that!

 

[Marc-E-]

Essentially what he's been doing is keeping the current lineup extended and giving players rewards due to their hard work, yeah he signed DD, but when he did he was performing quite well.

Gauthier used to jingle with the lineup all the time Campoli, Sopel, etc etc and the players hated that. So I think MB's goal is to make the players appreciate the organization when they give their maximum efforts ( however good or bad that is ).

I'm all for that and everything is fine. I just want to see him accelerate the process with the youth movement. Like selling some veterans for some guys that are almost NHL ready. I prefer sucking for two years than being a middle team who's barely making the playoffs and a fast exit. You've to draft top 10 to get quality youth. I'm fed up to see most than 20M waste of money on veterans like Brière, Gionta, Desharnais, Gorges, Murray, Bouillon, Moen, etc. Time to change the to give the team to Galchenyuk, Subban, Price, Gallagher, Patches and Eller.

 

[groovejuice]

Bergevin has proven in the past that he is unable to build a winner.

OK fine he helped build the Blackhawks, but aside from that, what has he done?

Bergevin

A year and a half and no Cup. Hopeless.