Discussion in 'Pittsburgh Penguins' started by JRS91, Apr 26, 2020.
You don't know the history of Jagr and the penguins and it clearly shows you're insanely out of your depths here. Jagr speaks from both sides of his mouth. He knows what gets him sympathy votes. He's still a piece of shit.
What? I spoke about what Jagr has said publicly about the Penguins since he left. I did not venture into what happened before he left. Was that hard for you to understand?
Without Jagr on the team the Penguins 1998-2000 teams does even make the playoffs, thats pretty much it, nothing more to add.
Nothing is hard to understand. You’re a Jagr Stan excusing the fact he has always been about himself which is fine. Fantastic player and in other franchises deserves his number to be retired.
He will likely get it retired here. But it should be after Sid and Geno. They are 10x the players and people than Mememememe Jags.
I’m also curious why a “Pens” fan has a Florida title under their AV and doesn’t post here.
What a legend.
Well, Jagrs career is about Jagr, not the Penguins exlusively, I dont know why you expect that to be the case. Jagr came back to the NHL to stay in the NHL as long as he could and for that he needed the right playing time to show he still could play. He obviously made the right choice based on the success he had. Shero also succeded in not signing Jagr and deflecting the blame on Jagr and not himself.
Why would Jagr go out of his way to return to Pittsburgh anyway where the fans had booed him for the 10 years? Jagr obviously got the impression he was not welcome in Pittsburgh again, if you have not noticed.
You didn't understand. He paid lip service. But his actions always spoke louder.
You still don't get it.
Jagr came back because he needed more money. Jagr also has a serious gambling problem.
Who cares? The point is he had the opportunity to cement his legacy by returning and he literally signed with the team’s biggest rival.
What success did he have exactly? A good run with the Bruins is all I can remember.
He would have added little to that Pens squad.
Yeah, Jagr probably cares about his career, as most other hockey players do.
What success he had? How about putting up 66 and 67 points when being 41 and 43 years of age? How about taking over the 2nd spot of points all time? Thats not success for you?
I get it, all you care about it team success, but in reality, Florida will never win a stanley cup. Not everything is about cups anyway, Jagrs legacy is much more impressive than a cup.
Give these a read:
The Enduring Power of Jaromir Jagr
Big Read: The oral history of Jaromir Jagr - Sportsnet.ca
Not when it comes to a team that is as selective with retirement as us.
Who gives a shit about anything else he did that wasn’t here when it comes to that?
Nothing wrong with the decisions Jags made. But, his decisions should prompt us to at least do Sid and Geno the chance to hang up there 1st. And IMO never hang up there.
He was never in the class of Penguins player that Geno, Sid and Mario have been on and off the ice.
You asked me, what success did he have after returning to the NHL - so I replied.
It will be so much fun the day Jagrs jersey will be retired, will you watch or will you boycott the ceremony? Or will you be there and boo as loud as you can?
Probably won’t care ultimately. Pens can do whatever they want.
Jags is 100% the player the media made Ovechkin out to be prior to his cup win though. And that’s why he never had any true team success here once Lemieux was gone or in any of his other stops along his career.
OK. While Ovechkin played on president trophy teams the entire time and Jagrs Penguins barely made the playoffs, I find the comparison utterly weak.
He'll do neither because it won't happen.
Well, I know it was alleged Jagr had a gambling problem 20 years ago. No idea if he still has that problem as you are claiming.
About the money:
Edmonton offered him 2$ million more than Avangard Omsk back in 2009. Jagr choose Omsk because he had promised during the lockout 2004-2005 that he would return there. Also St.Louis offered more money than the Flyers in 2010. And Florida did not offer the highest money in any of the years he signed with them. So what you are saying is not true anyways. And btw, why leave Omsk were he nettet 4-5 million with less tax and return to the NHL to be paid way less with more tax? Makes no sense if it was all about money. I am not saying Jagr did not care about money, just that it was not that ultimate as you describe it.
Funny how Jags never got past the 2nd round without Mario huh?
Also how he moped and sucked the year Mario came back in the playoffs cos he wasn’t “the guy”
Lol that's your rationale why he chose literally anywhere else but Edmonton? The annual tankers, aka the Oilers, were not a destination for big name Ufas. They missed out on a lot of big name ufas that they over bid on but those players always chose elsewhere. Might be different now but at that time they could have given 4m more and he still wouldn't have.
Also you're wrong. Jagr with his bonuses made more with the Panthers than he did with the other teams in his comeback tour. It was about money and the tax freedom in Florida. The 5 fans at the Panthers game got to see a legend. Jagr got paid.
Funny how a guy that was not "the guy" anymore outscored Lemieux in PPG while not being "the guy" anymore. You are beating a dead horse. The 1997-98, 1998-1999 and 1999-2000 Penguins team were definitely not top 4 teams in the league. Jagr dragged them into the playoffs while dominating the regular season like nobody but 99 and 66 had done before.
And love for hockey not only money:
"He's made more than $50 million, so the question begs: What drives this two-time Stanley Cup champion and nine-time All-Star forward to continue to play a sport with players young enough to be his sons?
"I've never been motivated by trophies or whoever won,'' Jagr said before training camp began last week. "I do this sport because I love it. When you look around there's people, they don't make a living by playing hockey, they have a regular job and they still go play 15 against 15 at midnight just to be there, paying for the ice, so they have to love it, too.
"I know I'm going to be one of those guys. Why not do it right now?''
Florida should retire his number. That long illustrious Panthers career and all.
Poor Constantine, Hlinka, Barrasso and the Straka, Lang, and Kovalev line...
Nothing but contempt for the Penguins, huh?
Right. A guy that owes so much to Mario. Would play for league min. Pens offer him 2m, what would have fit in their cap, and he went for more money with the Flyers.
Owes so much to Mario though, amirite???
Jagr signs with Flyers after Pens, Red Wings bail
Lol this guy, posting like he's Jagrs illegitimate kid.
I think you’re the one beating the dead horse here.
Jags systematically built a team for HIM. From 97-00, he had great success individually during that time. The rest of the team? Not so much.
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