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daver

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It's not just about PPG. It's the fact that OV led the league in PPG AND GPG, being #1 in points and goals, top-10 in assists, #4 in +/- , beating the next highest PPG by 0.14 and the next highest GPG by 0.15, while dishing out 200+ hits a season. Offensively, he was unmatched.

Since you like bringing up leads over #10:

GPG and goals lead over #10: 0.27 and 64 goals

PPG and points lead over #10: 0.38 and 75 points

He was just on another level. Usually the players who run the league in terms of PPG and points don't have the goals edge over others. Ovechkin brought the best of both worlds

Whatever level you think he was on, he was not on the level of the Big Four. There is no basis for making that comparison.

As for another level, I guess if you want to focus only on the regular season. Two long Cup runs by both Malkin and Crosby along with the elite RS success, to say nothing about what we know they did outside of this specific three year stretch, make that claim a minority one. Most would say their peak level of offensive play was quite close, it just happened at different times.
 

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Whatever level you think he was on, he was not on the level of the Big Four. There is no basis for making that comparison.

As for another level, I guess if you want to focus only on the regular season. Two long Cup runs by both Malkin and Crosby along with the elite RS success, to say nothing about what we know they did outside of this specific three year stretch, make that claim a minority one. Most would say their peak level of offensive play was quite close, it just happened at different times.
in terms of dominance over the entire league, it was big-4 like

no other active player had quite the stretch OV had
 

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in terms of dominance over the entire league, it was big-4 like

no other active player had quite the stretch OV had

You need to show your statistical work for this claim; that he had a three year stretch that he was arguably the most dominant player in every season, in and of itself, does not make it Big 4 like. See Guy Lafleur, Espostito, Jagr, Mikita/Hull for examples of this.

And no, goalscoring, in and of itself, is not the same as overall offensive dominance reflected in PPG.
 

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we had this same discussion in the crosby/malkin/forsberg/jagr thread. you brought up random leads over an arbitrary place (#10) to make your argument for crosby > OV

Nope. I like comparing raw points and PPGs to a pack of respective peers (average points/PPGs of the Top 10/20 scorers).
 

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