What's the underlying problem?
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Yeah but not Crosby. Super Genius Junior Junior's favorite player is still the bestest 5 on 5. If he ever finishes skating circles while pretending to play defense, you can ask.
everybody's fave player isn't the problem ! Sid has done it over & over & over again. at what point does Mario have an intervention with him?
When he fires the coach to placate him.
Sullivan managing the team to placate Junior Junior's favorite player is only delaying the inevitable.
& then start the cycle again, someone ought to drop some real life on him & tell him you are a lot closer to the end of you career than the beginning, one day you are going to look back & cringe real bad
Not sure how this one plays out.
On the one hand, the GM going and ownership loving the coach suggests it may take longer to placate the captain than usual.
On the other hand, Russian Man Bad never followed the captain's lead with Therrien and Johnston, so that saved them for a bit. This time, Russian Man Bad is following Junior Junior's favorite player's lead, which would shorten the shelf life.
But eventually Mario will get the message. The only question is when and what difference for better or worse it will make.
Coach Gallant step on down your are the next contestant in coach these whiny ass children...
Word is Mario is waiting for the captain's approval.
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The problem is that this team is LESS than the sum of their parts. They should be better on paper. There is no structure to defending, no creativity in the offensive zone, and most importantly EFFORT. They are playing like they did for Johnston, but without any structure that he afforded the team.
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ACK! ACK ACK! ACK!!!
The team assembled is extremely flawed and the coach isn’t doing any work to try to find another approach that will make them effective.
on paper it sure looks like JR overall did a pretty decent job assembling the talent we need. heck frickin Ceci scored our only goal last game, you know it's bizzaro world when that happens. Who knows maybe something around how the team is playing in comparison to the level of talent that is on the team caused the friction with JR and ? and caused his abrupt departure. This is the most talented forward group overall in Sid/Geno's career. Heck Blue looks great out there and Jank is looking like a decent aquisition as well. so top to bottom the pieces are there.
Maybe JR was pulling a shero and standing behind Sullivan despite pressure from above or vice versa. I have no idea just more baseless speculation. Which is more fun to do then watch a penguins game these days...
Maybe JR was pulling a shero and standing behind Sullivan despite pressure from above or vice versa. I have no idea just more baseless speculation. Which is more fun to do then watch a penguins game these days...
So basically they're following the captain's lead until the coach is replaced ansd everything gets better?
Almost like you're saying it's hard to know what specifically needs fixed until Mario gives the captain a new coach.
Almost like you're saying it's hard to know what specifically needs fixed until Mario gives the captain a new coach.
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Well that's because the coach trying things that might make Junior Junior's favorite player more overtly unhelpful could expedite his departure, even if it led to a couple of more wins. Happened with Therrien and Johnston, after all, when they tried things that made the captain more uncomfortable.
My friend @Gurglesons would say the only time in the last 2 years this team looked greater the sum of its parts was when the captain was out.
I think Gallant would be the perfect coach for this team. Vegas under him made Derek friggin England look like a decent middle pairing defender, in the playoffs! The whole vegas team played a disciplined fast attacking style as a team. We have seen that same team here under Sullivan, I don't think Sullivan is a bad coach just our stars are coach killers.
Remember when the team was mired a couple seasons back and rumors around Sullivan's imminent demise were being talked about. JR in a press conference when asked about the coach, said the coach was fine and that the problem was the players. Soon after that the players started playing better. I can't help wonder if that dynamic had something to do with JR not wanting to stick around.
Remember when the team was mired a couple seasons back and rumors around Sullivan's imminent demise were being talked about. JR in a press conference when asked about the coach, said the coach was fine and that the problem was the players. Soon after that the players started playing better. I can't help wonder if that dynamic had something to do with JR not wanting to stick around.
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That's the coaching change tell.
Until thst happens, there's no way to know what needs fixed.
That's not a comment on whether Sullivan in the abstract is a good coach. Just if he's the right coach.
Not as if a captain inspired coaching change is something new for this or previous Penguins captain's not to mention captain's of other teams, through the years.
Anyway, threads like this are pointless until Mario placardsthe captain and his robins, Russian Man Bad and Stupid But Pretty Frenchie, and the rest of the merry gang with a new coach. At that point, you can evaluate for real.
Looks like the winner in this poll is going to be Boo Boo Face Crosby and his willing accomplices.
Well, I guess you can say they still know how to work as a team at least.
Biggest issues?
Too cute in the offensive zone. Too many quality shot opportunities passed up to try and force a pass to someone else. That 3 on 0 in OT the other night was the highlight of the shit show. Even when they produce a bunch of “zone time”, it’s all cycling along the boards and back out to the points and they never produce any high danger chances.
On D, like a said last night, when is the let time that the Pens made it miserable for anyone in and around the crease. Horny would get absolute mauled night in and night out and it happens with Jake and others as well. Get near the opposition’s crease and they will cross check you to the ice and then rub you leave nose in it like a puppy that shit in the corner. Meanwhile, the Pens’ D men allow the opposition to camp out in the crease and get two, three, four whacks at the puck while they wave their sticks around wildly trying to stop it. Hell, we don’t even have an Orpik anymore. At least he would rough someone up AFTER they score a goal...
Too cute in the offensive zone. Too many quality shot opportunities passed up to try and force a pass to someone else. That 3 on 0 in OT the other night was the highlight of the shit show. Even when they produce a bunch of “zone time”, it’s all cycling along the boards and back out to the points and they never produce any high danger chances.
On D, like a said last night, when is the let time that the Pens made it miserable for anyone in and around the crease. Horny would get absolute mauled night in and night out and it happens with Jake and others as well. Get near the opposition’s crease and they will cross check you to the ice and then rub you leave nose in it like a puppy that shit in the corner. Meanwhile, the Pens’ D men allow the opposition to camp out in the crease and get two, three, four whacks at the puck while they wave their sticks around wildly trying to stop it. Hell, we don’t even have an Orpik anymore. At least he would rough someone up AFTER they score a goal...
Those are side effects.
The issue is Captain Boo Boo Face, Russian Man Bad, Stupid But Pretty Frenchie, and the rest are playing the same coach has to go game the captain previously instigated with Therrien and Johnston.
There's way too much creativity in the offensive zone. Drop passes and east west play. Too much passing resulting in a weak shot by a defenseman.
The top two lines don't want any business of playing in the hard areas of the ice. The corners and the front of the net. Combine that with a less than impressive breakout from a band aid defense and here we are.
