What's the difference? Malkin and Ovechkin by the numbers...
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Evilo said:
I wouldn't call having Gonchar and Kalinin on your blueline a 'drawback'. Playing against 2nd/3rd defensive pairings isn't much of a drawback either.. Two luxuries that Ovechkin didn't have (well, I'm not sure about the last one, but I would assume the top-LW in the RSL [or whatever the award was] was facing the top defensive pairings most nights).
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Evilo said:
I dont know who plays with who....or on what line.....but a couple points....if he plays on the 3rd line wouldnt it makes sense that he doesnt get the top checking line/d pair on a consistant basis?....on the other side, even if he (EM) benefits from playing with NHLers doesnt it mean he plays against more NHLers than AO did last season?
This whole thing is just ridiculous IMO....whats the over/under on when someone brings up the EM/small bones theory?
Evilo said:
I don't think you even have to defend Malkin as being an elite prospect to me it's pretty evident, even look at the choose 1 forward/ 1 defenseman / 1 goalie thread and see how many people chose Malkin as their forward, which says quite a lot IMO. To me Malkin has shown that the "gap" isn't that large between him an AO.
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Interesting point.. Malkin is really tearing it up for his age.
Its really pathetic that half the people in this thread can't comprehend the point that you are making ... that Malkin is accomplishing more than AO did when he was his same age. It seems like a pretty cogent statement to me.
Its really pathetic that half the people in this thread can't comprehend the point that you are making ... that Malkin is accomplishing more than AO did when he was his same age. It seems like a pretty cogent statement to me.
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Ugh... these guys are players, not commodities.
Newsflash: If your 'team' has the better of the two players in the end, it does not reflect on you personally in any way.
Try actually watching them play and enjoy their skill... it's silly to waste your time arguing over boxscores. If you had watched them this year, you'd know that they both are playing very well, and at the same time, have entirely different skill sets that make comparisons pointless.
They're both going to be good... one's going to be better. That will depend on so many intagibles (injuries, linemates, car accidents, personal lives, etc.) that one can only say at this time that either of the two could have the greater career.
If stats told the whole story, NHL teams wouldn't employ scouts.
Newsflash: If your 'team' has the better of the two players in the end, it does not reflect on you personally in any way.
Try actually watching them play and enjoy their skill... it's silly to waste your time arguing over boxscores. If you had watched them this year, you'd know that they both are playing very well, and at the same time, have entirely different skill sets that make comparisons pointless.
They're both going to be good... one's going to be better. That will depend on so many intagibles (injuries, linemates, car accidents, personal lives, etc.) that one can only say at this time that either of the two could have the greater career.
If stats told the whole story, NHL teams wouldn't employ scouts.
cassius said:Interesting point.. Malkin is really tearing it up for his age.
Its really pathetic that half the people in this thread can't comprehend the point that you are making ... that Malkin is accomplishing more than AO did when he was his same age. It seems like a pretty cogent statement to me.
Hmmmmmmm the point our biased friend Evilo was trying to make is that at the same age, Malkin is "outproducing" Ovechkin. The numbers, in fact are true. What Evilo cannot swallow is the fact that at 18, Ovechkin was not getting the same icetime Malkin is getting now. He also does not want to admit that at 18, Malkin has better linemates than Ovechkin had last year. Truth be told, if Evilo wasnt known as such a homer, his post could have SOME credibility.
Trying to compare the two from two different seasons with the lockout effect (can be argued as positive or negative to either one) and not knowing the number of minutes played and most of all not making are judgements from watching them play makes it a very "hypothetical" comparison. A better indication should be the WJC this year in which both will be in the same situation, and one in which we can all watch (well most of us 
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Crosbyfan said:
That might be true, but Malkin is doing well in spite of his thin bones and drug problems.
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Evilo said:
Aside from the numbers, size and style of hockey stick out. Ovechkin looks big and plays big from the games I've seen. I've only seen 3 RSL games of AO, 1 last year 2 last month. Malkin looks more like he's got the body frame of Mike Ribeiro only taller and he didn't seem to play any sort of physical game either, but I only saw 2 games and both were last year.
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a lot of wishfull thinking, i think.but we will find out, when the puck is droped between the caps and pens in 2005!SauveQuiPeut said:
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There were rumors of him (and his club team) using performance enhancing drugs last year before the WJC.markov` said:
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