What's going on in the US? Part 10 [Mod note in OP]

[Lt Dan]

For those who don't click the link, the governor shut down 12 grocery stores because multiple employees at those stores tested positive.

lol, clickbait journalism at it's finest

 

[JacketsFanWest]

New Mexico governor shuts down grocery stores for two weeks

This is related to spread among at those businesses, and they aren't giving Walmart and grocery stores a pass because they are essential businesses.

While it's an inconvenience for people in those areas who will need to find someplace else to get food, it may be a better approach than what LA County is doing - shutting down restaurants when the "food industry" spread they are citing is at food processing and bottlers. But those businesses can't be shut down because they are "essential".

During the stay home order in LA County, the biggest outbreaks were at food processing facilities which weren't shut down and the idea was they would be safe because everyone was staying home. But that wasn't the case.

If businesses aren't going to comply with safety measures to prevent mass spread at their businesses, then they get shut down for 14 days and need to pay their employees during that time. That seems to be far more fair than what LA is doing by shutting down business who are working hard to make safety measures work while giving the food processing facilities a pass because they are "essential".

 

[TheBluePenguin]

New Mexico governor shuts down grocery stores for two weeks

Man that headline is a huge piece of crap lol A couple of grocery stores had breakouts of covid and had to shut down like any other business. It reads like ALL grocery stores are closed. I do give them props for having the balls to shut down some Walmart's though, it is about time all had to play by the same rules

 

[tarheelhockey]

I agree with that BUT to me that is more on the lack of response from governments. I am very lucky in that the work I do for a living was easily transferable to WFH and my three kids 8th, 6th, and 3rd graders have been able to keep up with the online schooling. I also am intelligent to answer 99% of questions asked and help them when needed.

We had all summer to set up programs to help parents who either could not WFH because of what they do (Nurses-Construction-Police things like that) OR help people that could not afford to take off work (Low income) The US government sent out ONE 1200 check and that was it. They paid to keep Wal street going but not the actual people who needed it. Hell we could have really shut things down in the summer when kids are not even school and then it would not even be as bad now. The whole response to this virus has been completely fumbled.

I absolutely agree with that.

Another factor in schools is that teachers really didn’t get engaged in the process until about a week before school started. That didn’t hit me until one of my kids’ teachers wrote something like “this is only our second day back, but we have a lot to share...” in late August.

Of course that makes sense on a logistical level when you consider that teachers are state employees with strict rules around when they do and don’t work. If the system is set up for them to return to work in the 3rd week of August, then that’s what’s going to happen.

But the absurdity of the federal and state departments of education having known about this incoming problem since around January/February, and having spent that entire interim period twiddling their thumbs and waiting for instructions. Then arriving at mid-August and starting to work with teachers on the logistics of a radically different scenario than they’ve ever faced before. It’s just unbelievable. I’m not asking for perfect solutions, but they literally did nothing to address a super-obvious problem.

 

[Analyst365]

I would understand the need for in person schooling 20 years ago, hell even 10 years ago. But now with the internet and available resources where most information is found anyway, the only thing in person schooling does is provide day care. I also don't buy that while 'my kids need the social aspect' BS, all my kids just talk to their friends on their phones or over the Xbox.

That being said I know the for certain children with learning disabilities and behavior issues need it, but if those where the only kids going then it would be a lot safer

Yeah, the internet sure makes us smarter. I guess that's why everyone's on the same page, everyone listens to authority and ignores bullshit websites and theories, and we're knocking this pandemic out of park.

 

[TheBluePenguin]

Yeah, the internet sure makes us smarter. I guess that's why everyone's on the same page, everyone listens to authority and ignores bullshit websites and theories, and we're knocking this pandemic out of park.

Just because the internet has things like 4chan and Qanon does not mean things like Khan Academy are not absolutely brilliant places of learning, The amount of things I have fixed around my house using You-Tube guide videos have saved me thousands of dollars. The internet is one of the best and worst things ever invented, but it is a tool and tools depend on how you use it. I can build a house with a hammer and I can smash a persons skull in, does that mean hammers are not a useful tool....

 

[JMCx4]

easy for someone that had a stable home life and was able to socialize during their formative years to say

When have ANY of those phrases been rightfully applied to an HFBoards member?

 

[JMCx4]

... I can build a house with a hammer and I can smash a persons skull in, does that mean hammers are not a useful tool....

For both jobs, actually. Or so I've read.

 

[Off Sides]

I know this guy's opinion came up not that long ago.

Sanford replaces CEO after controversial email about masks

 

[Tad Mikowsky]

easy for someone that had a stable home life and was able to socialize during their formative years to say

Are you saying your kids don’t have a stable home life?

 

[Summer Rose]

The numbers are really sobering. Living in Florida, you can barely tell there's even a pandemic going on. Traffic seems normal in my city, and the only way you can really tell is just a few little things here and there, like people wearing masks at the grocery store (it's an Alachua County mandate but enforcement is dropping off except at Publix mainly), reduced capacities at restaurants, and they took out the benches at the dog park. That's what I notice, anyway. That and a lot of my neighbors are out around the neighborhood during the day on weekdays, which means a lot of them are probably working from home.

For the record, I don't consider this to be a good thing.

 

[Big Muddy]

Yesterdays numbers:

New deaths 2,196

New cases 175,321

United States Coronavirus: 13,079,667 Cases and 267,548 Deaths - Worldometer

Or, John Hopkins

NEW CASES: 172,935

DEATHS: 2,146

Cumulative Cases - Johns Hopkins Coronavirus Resource Center

I think mid December numbers are going to be really bad (not that they aren't really bad now).

 

[Devilsfan992]

The numbers are really sobering. Living in Florida, you can barely tell there's even a pandemic going on. Traffic seems normal in my city, and the only way you can really tell is just a few little things here and there, like people wearing masks at the grocery store (it's an Alachua County mandate but enforcement is dropping off except at Publix mainly), reduced capacities at restaurants, and they took out the benches at the dog park. That's what I notice, anyway. That and a lot of my neighbors are out around the neighborhood during the day on weekdays, which means a lot of them are probably working from home.

For the record, I don't consider this to be a good thing.

Interestingly enough they are only 15th on deaths/million list. They haven't had a 100 death 7 day rolling average since October 13th. Illinois which is 57% the size of Florida has had an 100 death 7 day rolling average for the last week.

Not trying to defend Florida's actions, but for the amount of crap they receive they aren't much worse than a lot of other states. Even my own state of NJ which has had a 25% capacity on indoor dining had 50 deaths today.

 

[Devilsfan992]

Yesterdays numbers:

New deaths 2,196

New cases 175,321

United States Coronavirus: 13,079,667 Cases and 267,548 Deaths - Worldometer

Or, John Hopkins

NEW CASES: 172,935

DEATHS: 2,146

Cumulative Cases - Johns Hopkins Coronavirus Resource Center

I think mid December numbers are going to be really bad (not that they aren't really bad now).

Positivity rate is currently going down the last week. I think we'll start seeing a leveling or even maybe a decrease in cases as we go into the 1st week of December. Deaths will jump to the 3000s.

What is yet to be seen is how Thanksgiving gatherings will impact the case numbers. We know they will happen. We know there will be a negative impact on the case numbers. We don't know how big the impact will be. Hopefully most families keep their gatherings small and safe.

 

[Fireonk]

Positivity rate is currently going down the last week. I think we'll start seeing a leveling or even maybe a decrease in cases as we go into the 1st week of December. Deaths will jump to the 3000s.

What is yet to be seen is how Thanksgiving gatherings will impact the case numbers. We know they will happen. We know there will be a negative impact on the case numbers. We don't know how big the impact will be. Hopefully most families keep their gatherings small and safe.

Really going to be an interesting couple of weeks. As you noted, positivity rate going down, and case increase seems to be slowing down (but still going up.) Things were at least starting to flatten a bit, but now we are hitting Thanksgiving pretty much right at the peak. Does that just extend the peak, does it peak even higher, does it just keep slowing down just at a smaller rate than it otherwise would have (so looks less like a bell curve.)

I really don't know.

 

[Big Muddy]

Positivity rate is currently going down the last week. I think we'll start seeing a leveling or even maybe a decrease in cases as we go into the 1st week of December. Deaths will jump to the 3000s.

What is yet to be seen is how Thanksgiving gatherings will impact the case numbers. We know they will happen. We know there will be a negative impact on the case numbers. We don't know how big the impact will be. Hopefully most families keep their gatherings small and safe.

Its the death numbers I was referring to. Hard to say what they will be precisely, but I fear they will increase mid December.

 

[Devilsfan992]

Its the death numbers I was referring to. Hard to say what they will be precisely, but I fear they will increase mid December.

Oh definitely. It's inevitable at this point.

 

[Fordy]

Are you saying your kids don’t have a stable home life?

what kind of comment is this? i know if i made it, it would be deleted. what does this have to do with my kids? this is about the underpriviliged - the people that cook for themselves instead of getting their meals delivered, the people that never got to stop going to work, and the people that rely on a pre 2020 society to live. some of us actually think about them

 

[dortt]

Supreme Court ruled overnight no restrictions on worship attendance. Wonder how many other restrictions the SC will overturn

Supreme Court sides with religious groups in New York in a dispute over Covid restrictions - CNNPolitics

 

[Fireonk]

Supreme Court ruled overnight no restrictions on worship attendance. Wonder how many other restrictions the SC will overturn

Supreme Court sides with religious groups in New York in a dispute over Covid restrictions - CNNPolitics

If I am reading that correctly, it isn't that they said no restrictions on worship attendance but they said the restrictions can't be more strict than "comparable secular facilities."

 

[Tad Mikowsky]

what kind of comment is this? i know if i made it, it would be deleted. what does this have to do with my kids? this is about the underpriviliged - the people that cook for themselves instead of getting their meals delivered, the people that never got to stop going to work, and the people that rely on a pre 2020 society to live. some of us actually think about them

Pretty hypocritical that you’re outraged by that comment but you can make comments on testing a child for covid being harmful and abusive.

You said you’d man up and send your kids to school and then made that follow up comment. So based on what you said, I asked that question.

 

[Fordy]

 

[Troy McClure]

Until a vaccine is widely distributed, this harm will have to continue. It's unfortunate but necessary. I feel bad for the kids who are losing a year of education, but there is no perfect solution here.

 

[Jacob]

Do you think the politicians that are all on one side of the spectrum and seem very intent on getting in person schooling back open actually care about the kids? Or do they just not want to pay people to stay home or make it appear like the pandemic isn’t as bad as it is.

 

[Fordy]

i care about doing the right thing by the kids. i don't really care what someone else's rationale for doing the right thing is. if you think either side of the political elites care about you and yours you have another thing coming