What would you do with the Defense?

FlameChampion

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I was hoping we could have some discussion on the defense of this team. When I look at the forwards, its much more obvious to me what should be done. I see the forwards as 3 Top 6 players and a bunch of fourth liners with nothing in between. But when I look at the defense on this team, I think it is much more harder to figure out what should be done.

Darnell Nurse (1 Year @ 3.2)
- 68 GP - 8G - 26A - 34P - (-8) - 24:00 ATOI

Oscar Klefbom (4 Year @ 4.2)
- 47 GP - 5G - 14A - 19P - (-2) - 24:44 ATOI

Adam Larsson (2 Year @ 4.2)
- 68 GP - 3G - 14A - 17P - (-18) - 22:03 ATOI

Kris Russell (2 Year @ 4)
- 58GP - 2G - 12A - 14P - (+4) - 20:27 ATOI

Matt Benning (1 Year @ 1.9)
- 56GP - 2G - 9A - 11P - (+12) - 14:30 ATOI

Andrej Sekera (2 Year @5.5)
- 10GP - 0G - 1A - 1P - (+3) - 15:41 ATOI

How would you rate these players? Who would you keep? Who would you move? Do you think any defense prospects should be in the lineup next year?
 

joestevens29

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Bring someone in that can knock most those guys down a spot on the roster.

Pretty open to moving just about anyone, but that really depends on what the returns are. Do believe they will try hard to move one of Russell/Sekera's contract.

As for prospects. I hope we have enough depth that we don't see any prospects unless someone really lights up training camp.
 

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I don’t think the D is as big an issue as the forward depth, but I certainly would move one of the left shot D to free up cap.

Ideally Russell is moved. I don’t mind him as a bottom pair, but not at that salary. Replace him with Jones.

Persson is coming over from Sweden next year and could replace Benning. Not sure if Persson can clear waivers and play in the minors for half a year?
 

Jimmi McJenkins

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Worst case, move out all of Russell, Benning, Petrovic and Gravel, assume Manning doesn't exist to the point where I wouldn't even invite him to main camp (seriously, he won't make the team)

Find a way to add a top-4 RHD who can move the puck, preferably a top-2 guy, but veteran top-4 RHD as a worst case, then run with

Klefbom - Larsson
Nurse - RHD
Sekera - TBD
TBD

With that group, you could more easily afford to shelter young payers in the #6 & #7 spots.
 

BarDownBobo

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Finding an impact winger is a much bigger priority for me, and the team doesn't have the assets to fill the need there and add a top 4 dman as well. I'd be fine going into next season with the exact same defense because of that, assuming the winger spot is filled. Say Klefbom, Larsson, Sekera, Nurse and Russell are your top 5, and then have the #6 spot open to guys like Benning, Persson, Jones, Bouchard and Bear in camp. Bring in a vet on a PTO to pressure these guys as well and possibly sign as the #7 depending who gets the #6 spot.
 

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Our defense is pretty much set for next year whether we like it or not. Right now our only legitimate top 4 defensemen are Klefbom, Larsson and Nurse, so we can't afford to move any of them unless we're getting a better defenseman back.

That leaves you with Russell, Sekera, Benning, and Manning. All of them have contracts which would make them very difficult to trade this summer, and I don't think a buyout would make sense for any of them.

To add to that, our winger depth is a horrible mess. This summer I would use the little cap space we have on forwards. On defense next season you just have to hope that we don't have any major injuries and that Sekera can return to form or one of our prospects takes a big step forward.

Next summer things get more interesting as Benning and Manning should be gone, and Russell and Sekera will be more tradeable with only 1 year left on their contracts.
 
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Patience, unless a great opportunity falls into their laps. Poke around to see if you can get a guy like Hamilton at a reasonable price. But the time to make a serious move may be next year when a lot more cap space opens up and you know better what you have in some of the kids.

This off season it would be about fixing the wings for me.
 

FlameChampion

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I agree with others that the wingers on this team should be a bigger concern than the defense.

I think we all know that as a whole the defense does struggle to move/transition the puck.

I think Nurse has emerged as a pretty solid defenseman. Hes put up some decent offensive numbers, and while I think they are inflated a bit, hes still put them up and you have to give him credit for that. Hes an incredible skater and has the ability to lug the puck out of the defending zone. I do think he struggles with passing/transitioning the puck to the forwards though. One thing that he also has going for him is that he is durable, he doesnt seem to get injured often. I do think he struggles a bit making the correct play at times but all in all I see him as an importance piece moving forward and one that they should build around.

I think Klefbom is a good defenseman. I think he has more natural offensive instincts than the majority of the Oilers defense and does everything fairly well. Good shot, good passing, good vision but doesnt excel overly at anything. I do think the struggles a bit as well at transitioning the puck but I would say he is one of the better Oilers dman at it. One of the concerns with Klefbom is his inability to stay healthy. The Oilers defense is much better when hes in the lineup and he is on a pretty good contract considering what he brings.

Larsson has really struggled this year. I have generally liked what I have seen from him in the past but this hasnt been a good year for him. I am not sure if hes hurt, maybe still dealing with personal stuff or hes just lost a step. Prior to this year, he has easily been the Oilers best defenseman to break up the cycle. Whatever the reasons for this year are, at the end of the day he hasnt had a good year. Hes another defenseman that struggles to transition the puck but he will make a great play every once in a while. I think you have to hope he bounces back because this team is light on the right side, so I am not sure what choice they really have.

I thought Russell was really good to start the year but has fallen a bit back to normal lately. Considering the way he plays, I find it amazing that hes as durable as he is. The one thing with him, is that he gives a consistent effort, you know what you will get out of him every night. I think he has some value that he can play both sides and to be fair a lot of times he is playing on his off side which is harder to do, and he may look better on his natural side. I think he is a pretty decent 3rd pairing defenseman but I think he struggles to play in the top 4 (I dont think him and Nurse mesh that well). I think he really struggles with puck transition and overall he just spends too much of his time on the ice defending (moreso when hes in the top 4).

Sekera has bounced back better than I thought. I really thought he would struggle, and while hes not his old self he is much better than I was anticipating. Sekera makes so many smart plays, and I think hes one of the better puck transitioners on this team. I think the Oilers have really missed what he brought a couple years ago. His injury status really scares me combined with his cap hit on this team. The way he has played lately may give the team the opportunity to move out his contract if needed. The question is whether or not they should, on a team that really lacks the ability to transition the puck.

Benning plus/minus actually surprises me a bit. I think it shows that hes a serviceable defenseman but I think he needs to play on the third pairing with another competent defender (like Russell or Sekera) because he doesnt carry the pairing in my viewings. I think Benning actually has a pretty good head for the game, I just think he really lacks the tools. Not a great skater or passer. Does everything at an ok level but nothing really at a good level. At one point I thought he might have top 4 potential, but I think hes a bottom pairing dman at this point and is not going to improve much.

I think at this point, there has to be some concern about the right side of the defense. I am not sure that Larsson can prop it up. I dont think Russell is good enough to work as a middle RD. I personally think we probably have too many LD. I think we could probably move out one of Russell or Sekera as a minimum and use the cap space on a RD or a winger. I personally also think that Jones could be the third pairing LD next year. With Klefbom's injury history, it does add some risk of trading both Sekera and Russell away. I also wonder if its best to move on from Benning considering Bear and Bouchard, as I think they will overtake Benning at some point, but maybe not by next year. Theres probably some advantage to leaving Bouchard in the AHL for a year unless he blows off peoples socks next training camp.

I am pretty excited about some of our defensive prospects. I think Jones, Bouchard, Bear, Samurokov, Laggesson, Persson, etc could make some waves. We may be better off just riding our defense until some of our young guys can step in.
 
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Soundwave

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We need to focus on the offence and forwards at this point.

Ottawa has more 20 point scorers on their roster than the Oilers do and that's after losing their top three scorers -- if that isn't a giant ass red flag, I don't know what is.

While

Klefbom Larsson
Nurse Sekera
Russell Benning
Jones Bouchard

Isn't an All-Star team back there by any means, it's at least 8 competent defenders, two of whom you can keep in the AHL at your leisure and call up when you want.
 
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XXIV97

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Trade Sekera and Russell to make room for the young guys when they are ready.

Klefbom-Larsson
Nurse-Bouchard

The defence is fine. The forwards are bad though.
 

Fourier

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Trade Russell to free up cap.


What would you get. Maybe a 2nd round pick if you were extremely lucky but probably less. But then you have to go out and spend $4M to replace him with a guy who will probably be about the same level. Russell at $4M comes very close to earning his pay based on today's salaries. Once the kids mature you can actually save money without losing anything. But right now trading Russell and improving the team would be a very tough challenge.
 
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What would you get. Maybe a 2nd round pick if you were extremely lucky but probably less. But then you have to go out and spend $4M to replace him with a guy who will probably be about the same level. Russell at $4M comes very close to earning his pay based on today's salaries. Once the kids mature you can actually save money without losing anything. But right now trading Russell and improving the team would be a very tough challenge.

I think Jones is ready to take Russell’s spot next year.
 

The Nuge

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It’s not really needing much work. Ideally you move out Russell or Sekera with another asset to return a top 4, offensive minded, RHD. But that makes it harder to address the wingers.

We still have 5 dmen that are like a #4/5 or better. I wouldn’t mind leaving it as is (maybe move Benning), and bringing in Franson on a PTO to see if he can be a dirt cheap bottom pairing PP specialist. We can shelter him, and he’s always been productive offensively. Even in Chicago
 

Faelko

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I’d probably move Benning and let Jones and Bear battle for that bottom 6 spot beside Sekera.

They need an upgrade at 2RD but I don’t see how they pull it off for next year, and No, Bouchard shouldn’t be in that spot.
 

Ctrain2k

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Russell's spot is as the second pairing RHD right now. Ideally you find a RHD to take that spot first before you move Russell.

Jones,Bouchard,Persson,Bear whoever. I think Russell can be replaced internally and use the extra money on forwards.
 

Mez

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In a perfect world I would want to find a top pairing D to push Larsson down.
 

Little Fury

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Patience, unless a great opportunity falls into their laps. Poke around to see if you can get a guy like Hamilton at a reasonable price. But the time to make a serious move may be next year when a lot more cap space opens up and you know better what you have in some of the kids.

This off season it would be about fixing the wings for me.

This exactly. Unless by some miracle you have a guy drop into your lap or someone offers you a knockout deal for a guy like Nurse or Larsson it's probably best to hang fire. Though one change I'd like to see is hopefully Sekera can stay healthy and take on more minutes so Russell can get dropped to the bottom pair where he belongs.
 

belair

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I agree with patience, but without question I move Matthew Benning. I also test the market on Andrej Sekera. If there's a deal it there where you can move him for something of positive value without retaining salary, you have to consider it.

Next season there are going to be a number of young players seeing ice, so there can't be too many bodies here.
 

Spawn

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Oilers need a dman better than anyone we currently have on the backend. Not just someone who can be a catalyst offensively but also someone who can transition the puck quickly and effectively out of the oilers end.

Until that happens the oilers won’t ever be a consistently competitive team.
 

GOilers88

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Jones,Bouchard,Persson,Bear whoever. I think Russell can be replaced internally and use the extra money on forwards.
None of those guys should be sniffing top four duty. Not even f***in close.

You're just perpetuating the Oilers cycle of futility by trading a guy you KNOW can handle himself for a young kid you THINK can handle himself.

None of the defense prospects have forced themselves onto the roster yet. Maybe earn one out of camp, but this franchise really needs to stop leaning on kids because they trade away all the vets.

If Sekera plays well down the stretch he should be the first guy moved out. It seems greasy, but between him and Klef, the top 4 relies heavily on two guys who can't stay healthy. Find a right handed replacement for him and bump Russell down. If Jones shows after a half season he can handle it, then you can look at moving Russell at the TDL.
 
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