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Lay off the sauce Lahey. Drai isn't on the block, and would cost a lot more than that.
Lay off the sauce Lahey. Drai isn't on the block, and would cost a lot more than that.
Lol, I would easily do any of these trades, but don’t show it to Edmonton fansBuffalo hangs up the phone with any of the trades I've seen here. Buffalo does not need D and need offence. If you take Eichel out of the mix, then they are really hurting. This is not a match.
You'd be better off going after Drai from the Oilers. That match is a fit. Oilers need D and are loaded with offence, and have some offence on D as well in Klefbom and Nurse. They have a stay at home guy in Larsson and not much else. They only have 3 guys that play regular minutes over 200 pounds. Their D is virtually tiny after their top 3 on D so a package could be made for Drai for sure. But Drai has reached superstar status and is a centre. Dubois would have to come back with a top 2 D. Then add in one of your young goaltenders after you decide who your starter is.
To CBJ
Leon Draisaitl
Matt Benning
2022 3rd round pick
Offensive prospect
To Oilers
Dubois
Kukan
Savard
Korpisalo
2022 2nd round pick
Defensive prospect.
Oilers get some much needed size and help on D, Get a centre back in Dubois, who had only 49 points in 70 games. Drai had 110 points on 43 goals in 71 games.
CBJ get their much needed superstar forward, (who is better than Eichel) Benning who is basically a trade off for Kukan, albeit Kukan has a higher ceiling.
This trade helps both teams and does not hurt CBJ's at defence because of depth and you get to keep your big 2 stars in Jones and Werenski. Sure, you lose Dubois off your roster, but you are getting a superstar back.
I was a lazy and didn't check the cap. Someone else can do that.
Option number 2
Oilers get:
Dubois
Savard
Kukan
Korpisalo
CBJ gets Draisaitl
Just caught this thread somehow as a Buffalo fan. I can assure you 99.89% of Sabres fans are not at all amenable to trading Eichel, let alone being content with just PLD+. Eichel, contrary to all the hoopla rumor BS, hasn’t said he wants to be traded. He is Buffalo’s young, 23 year old Franchise Centerman Captain. He takes responsibility for his role in team success. To get him out of Buffalo it would sting. If Columbus made an offer it would likely start PLD + ZW + 2020 1st and Buffalo probably sends a cap dump to even salary out. Think of what it would take to get MacK or Matthews out of this teams, and then staple a “C” to their chests.I think that's too much, especially when the non-Sabre team is the one dealing from the position of strength in this situation. Sabres fans seem pretty amenable to getting just PLD back (with other combos of players/picks/prospects added, of course) without needing Zach, too.
Just caught this thread somehow as a Buffalo fan. I can assure you 99.89% of Sabres fans are not at all amenable to trading Eichel, let alone being content with just PLD+. Eichel, contrary to all the hoopla rumor BS, hasn’t said he wants to be traded. He is Buffalo’s young, 23 year old Franchise Centerman Captain. He takes responsibility for his role in team success. To get him out of Buffalo it would sting. If Columbus made an offer it would likely start PLD + ZW + 2020 1st and Buffalo probably sends a cap dump to even salary out. Think of what it would take to get MacK or Matthews out of this teams, and then staple a “C” to their chests.
I certainly can understand why you would ask for both PLD and Z, however, me personally, would want to do that. I think Z is a franchise defenseman in his own right and While he may not be the Elite level that Eichel is, he isn't PLD different in my opinion. Then add a 1st and Columbus taking a Cap dump? Nah. Not trying to start a flame war over this as I truly understand Eichel is elite and one of the top C in the world. He would be unbelievable for Columbus but I"m of the nature you need more than one high end player and, while I try hard not to be a homer, I can't see moving both + in a deal. Just my opinion though. He's a great one.Just caught this thread somehow as a Buffalo fan. I can assure you 99.89% of Sabres fans are not at all amenable to trading Eichel, let alone being content with just PLD+. Eichel, contrary to all the hoopla rumor BS, hasn’t said he wants to be traded. He is Buffalo’s young, 23 year old Franchise Centerman Captain. He takes responsibility for his role in team success. To get him out of Buffalo it would sting. If Columbus made an offer it would likely start PLD + ZW + 2020 1st and Buffalo probably sends a cap dump to even salary out. Think of what it would take to get MacK or Matthews out of this teams, and then staple a “C” to their chests.
I'm good to wait and see if he goes to FA (RFA?) Not doing PLD++
We need to add to PLD not just upgrade him
Just caught this thread somehow as a Buffalo fan. I can assure you 99.89% of Sabres fans are not at all amenable to trading Eichel, let alone being content with just PLD+. Eichel, contrary to all the hoopla rumor BS, hasn’t said he wants to be traded. He is Buffalo’s young, 23 year old Franchise Centerman Captain. He takes responsibility for his role in team success. To get him out of Buffalo it would sting. If Columbus made an offer it would likely start PLD + ZW + 2020 1st and Buffalo probably sends a cap dump to even salary out. Think of what it would take to get MacK or Matthews out of this teams, and then staple a “C” to their chests.
I’m not in the locker rooms, but IMO, Eichel seems to clearly be a “rich mans” Ryan Johansen, a better player than Jojo along with having an even worse “vibe” with his team as a whole and a bigger impact on his team losing all the time.
Again, I go back to my page-1-of-this-thread "not interested" post and it's pretty much this. I admit I don't have a lot of concrete to base it on, just a gut feeling based on a few things. And Eichel is definitely talented in ways that could benefit the lineup. But I just don't have a good vibe about him.
I don't get the "issues" with Eichel.
He wants to win, and is acting out because they're not winning. He knows he's the most important piece to the puzzle, so he wants some sort of control in what goes around in Buffalo. This typically happens with stars across multiple sports (LeBron James, Tom Brady, etc) and its no different in hockey. I bet it goes on a lot more than people think too. Eichel does have a hand in improving the culture there, which has been horrid long before he even got there, but he is clearly their best player and IS playing up to his contract. However, he may not be the right pick for captain at this point in his career, which is his fault for not being a great leader, and since he asked to be captain its even more so his fault. But all these things are correctable under a better team. Their defense is a mess, their management sucks, goaltending is horrible, and coaching has been awful and way too frequently changing. There's no stability there.
Put Eichel in a stable organization he would be a Hart trophy candidate.
Rick Nash anyone?This is sort of my thinking too. I don't think it's an "Eichel" problem as much as a "Eichel feed up with the $*%#" problem. Now if his teammates are saying something different, which I've not heard either way, then I can go along with a "no thanks" approach.
As someone before mentioned, he's 23 & still somewhat holding it together. What happens at 25-26 & he's still in a losing in Buffalo?
Buffalo hangs up the phone with any of the trades I've seen here. Buffalo does not need D and need offence. If you take Eichel out of the mix, then they are really hurting. This is not a match.
You'd be better off going after Drai from the Oilers. That match is a fit. Oilers need D and are loaded with offence, and have some offence on D as well in Klefbom and Nurse. They have a stay at home guy in Larsson and not much else. They only have 3 guys that play regular minutes over 200 pounds. Their D is virtually tiny after their top 3 on D so a package could be made for Drai for sure. But Drai has reached superstar status and is a centre. Dubois would have to come back with a top 2 D. Then add in one of your young goaltenders after you decide who your starter is.
I'm missing something MM. I don't think I am over-valuing Seth or anyone else, I just haven't seen Eichel do enough that would make me want to part with any A players. We need massive help up front, absolutely, but I'm not convinced it's Jack Eichel in exchange for PLD + ZW, or +OB, or + Korpi.Any player.
I don't think it's a good match though because they need offense back and we only have D to spare, and they aren't going to want prospects in their perpetual rebuild. It would have to be Dubois+++ going to Buffalo. Something like Dubois, Korpisalo, Gavrikov, Bemstrom.
I'm missing something MM. I don't think I am over-valuing Seth or anyone else, I just haven't seen Eichel do enough that would make me want to part with any A players. We need massive help up front, absolutely, but I'm not convinced it's Jack Eichel in exchange for PLD + ZW, or +OB, or + Korpi.
And the last 6 games color my opinion - I like what I see out of those players in the "playoffs."