What would peak Ovechkin look like in the 80's?

[Baseballhockey24*]

What would peak Ovechkin look like in the 80's stats wise in the height of the oilers days (without Gretzky)?

Keep in mind he would be playing close to 30mintues a game with double the amount of powerplays. Interested in hearing stats and reasoning behind it please - Thank You!

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[CanadianSniper]

He would destroy.

 

[Renholder]

few 70 goal 50 assist seasons in a row I reckon

 

[La Bamba]

If you built a time machine and inserted Ovechkin in that era, he would be considered the greatest goal scorer of all-time IMO (assuming Gretzky doesn't exist).

 

[YoSoyLalo]

I think an 80+ goal season or two would be in order for 07-09 Ovechkin

 

[CC96]

I don't think a 300 goal season would be out of the question OP, because Ovechkin has training and nutrition, which didn't exist until 2004. Also, he wouldn't have to play against the bionic superheroes in other teams' bottom-6 such as Rob Klinkhammer, David Clarkson, and Tanner Glass, who would all be 50 goal all-stars, in the '80s

 

[BLNY]

Brett Hull with the Blues.

 

[octopi]

With that size and shot,how wouldn't he be a monster?

 

[octopi]

Brett Hull with the Blues.

Ovechkin is larger, has a much more physical game and has learned to work smarter and harder than Hull, in my opinion.

 

[Sky04]

Prime Ovechkin with modern day training transported into the 80's? Like 300+ points...

 

[SpookyTsuki]

Close to 100 or has 100 or alitte bit more goals

About 150 points.

 

[JA]

If you built a time machine and inserted Ovechkin in that era, he would be considered the greatest goal scorer of all-time IMO (assuming Gretzky doesn't exist).

It was an era when goaltenders had little coaching and were not fundamentally sound. They had little balance, fought to make every save, and toppled over quite regularly.



If Ovechkin took a time machine back to the mid-1980s and suited up for a season he would break records. Goaltending was nowhere near as good back then as it is today. The game itself was slower and far sloppier. There was little defensive structure either; the game consisted mostly of rush offense. He could rush the puck up every time and fire it on net before the goaltender could react or he could go to the net, make the goalie flop and then deposit the puck.

Over the past thirty years goaltending has been the most improved position in hockey.

 

[Anglesmith]

He'd probably have Jagr's hair.

 

[The Panther]

How a contemporary player would play, when traveling -- like Austin Powers -- by time-machine into another era, is unimportant and of no interest whatsoever to discuss.

But to dispel a couple of points:

Keep in mind he would be playing close to 30mintues a game

There's no way he'd be playing close to 30 minutes a game on average. The maximum might be 25 for a couple of years when he was young (if his coach allowed it), but considerably less thereafter.

In 1981-82 Gretzky (according to Sather) played 24-26 minutes a game, but was tired by season's end. Sather announced that he was cutting his ice-time down to 22-23 minutes for 1982-83. That's probably about what a top-forward played then. Since, in 2007-08, Ovechkin averaged 23:06 ice-time per game, it probably wouldn't change in any era.

with double the amount of powerplays.

There were not double the amount of power-plays in the 80s.

Average number of times a team had PP-opportunities:
2014-15 = 3.28 / game
2011-12 = 3.30 / game
2008-09 = 4.16 / game
2005-06 = 5.85 / game
2000-01 = 4.59 / game
1993-94 = 4.85 / game
1986-87 = 4.30 / game
1984-85 = 4.01 / game
1982-83 = 3.88 / game


How many goals would Ovechkin score in the NHL in 2035? Probably about 12.

 

[Baseballhockey24*]

How a contemporary player would play, when traveling -- like Austin Powers -- by time-machine into another era, is unimportant and of no interest whatsoever to discuss.

But to dispel a couple of points:

There's no way he'd be playing close to 30 minutes a game on average. The maximum might be 25 for a couple of years when he was young (if his coach allowed it), but considerably less thereafter.

In 1981-82 Gretzky (according to Sather) played 24-26 minutes a game, but was tired by season's end. Sather announced that he was cutting his ice-time down to 22-23 minutes for 1982-83. That's probably about what a top-forward played then. Since, in 2007-08, Ovechkin averaged 23:06 ice-time per game, it probably wouldn't change in any era.

There were not double the amount of power-plays in the 80s.

Average number of times a team had PP-opportunities:
2014-15 = 3.28 / game
2011-12 = 3.30 / game
2008-09 = 4.16 / game
2005-06 = 5.85 / game
2000-01 = 4.59 / game
1993-94 = 4.85 / game
1986-87 = 4.30 / game
1984-85 = 4.01 / game
1982-83 = 3.88 / game


How many goals would Ovechkin score in the NHL in 2035? Probably about 12.

Wow what's with the snapping for asking a general question? Calm down please.

(1) Stars like Lemieux have played close to and over 30mintues on average (google news archive) so you're not right on that.

(2) Powerplays were more lopsided in certain cases which can skew general averages between teams. The pens in 1988-89 had 482PP, the 1995-96 team had 467PP and the caps this season had 266PP - huge difference and not to far from double.

And if you're not here to discuss to tell what you think what his stats would look like and reasons why, then why are you posting here for?

 

[Plural]

Ovechkin is larger, has a much more physical game and has learned to work smarter and harder than Hull, in my opinion.

Nobody in has ever worked "smarter" than Brett Hull. He is the poster boy of getting to scoring area's without anyone knowing.

 

[Plural]

If we are talking about Ovechkin today (equipment and all) transferred with time-machine, it's really hard to say. But he would definitely be a force to fear. Ovechkin is stronger and much faster than your average NHL player today. He would definitely use his amazing shot more lethally. Mainly due to size difference on average goalie/goalie gear.

If we would be thinking that Ovechkin was born around year 60 and started to play in the NHL at the start of 80's. Well, I see him beating everyone else in season high goals, except maybe Gretzky. Mike Bossy would still be the most consistent goal-scorer, but Ovechkin would have higher peak.

 

[Baseballhockey24*]

Nobody in has ever worked "smarter" than Brett Hull. He is the poster boy of getting to scoring area's without anyone knowing.

In todays game, you have to play smarter than in any other time in NHL history. Ovechkin is also a lot faster than Brett Hull

 

[Claypool]

He'd likely score on every shift. I'm serious.

 

[Baseballhockey24*]

Can people post stat lines for his peak with the oilers?

Mine would be 93g,77a 170p

 

[FinRuutu]

All the points.

 

[Plural]

In todays game, you have to play smarter than in any other time in NHL history. Ovechkin is also a lot faster than Brett Hull

My point was that Hull, while not the fastest guy, had uncanny ability to almost never miss scoring spot. It was like he wasn't on the ice at all until you saw him ripping a slap shot from the upper end of the circle.

Ovechkin is massively faster than Hull.

 

[Plural]

Can people post stat lines for his peak with the oilers?

Mine would be 93g,77a 170p

With the Oilers? If he gets to play with Gretzky/Kurri and obviously on PP unit.

Hmm, I don't feel comfortable on putting him above Gretzky in highest goal totals. I'd say 85+65=150. Give or take 5 from both categories. This is assuming Ovechkin is born in the 60's and not transferred via time machine. If we have time machine, all bets are off. My completely baseless guess would be 100-110 goals. Not sure about the assists.

 

[tsnTpoint]

Does Ovechkin get to take modern day stick and skates with him back to the 80's? Lets not forget his curve would also be highly illegal in the 80's.

 

[Laineux]

He'd absolutely destroy the league and score probably 150 goals a season... but these kind of questions are stupid.