What would a defenceman have to do to win a Hart trophy?

[Agent Zub]

In a league where a forward who puts up 100 points is a strong contender. What kind of performance would it take from a defenceman?

90 points? A +/- of 70? Win the Art Ross?

I'm looking for an exact statistical performance by a the defenceman that will guarantee the hart.

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[TomasHertlsRooster]

Pronger in 2000 was the last to do it and Burns in 2017 was the closest since

Lot of points, strong +/-, weak team that makes the playoffs, media attention

Same thing as a forward winning it, but obviously a much higher standard

 

[ESH]

It’s sad how hard it is for defensemen to win the Hart. I’ve seen a few polls on here about which position is the most valuable and defense usually wins. It’s strange

 

[Help]

It’s sad how hard it is for defensemen to win the Hart. I’ve seen a few polls on here about which position is the most valuable and defense usually wins. It’s strange

Forwards are more able to impact the game

 

[Help]

On that note, draft forwards

 

[BlackDogg]

Don't let your babies grow up to be Dmen.
Let em be forwards and goalies and such.
They'll leave their man all alone, and never go back to their zone.
And never win any awards.

 

[Filthy Dangles]

It’s sad how hard it is for defensemen to win the Hart. I’ve seen a few polls on here about which position is the most valuable and defense usually wins. It’s strange

Ovechkin, Crosby, McDavid, Malkin vs Keith Karlsson Doughty etc

Forwards are more valuable

 

[DonM]

There is no statistical performance that will guarantee a defenceman the Hart. Voters don't even agree on what the Hart actually means, so there are no guarantees. McDavid was a better player than Hall last year but lost due to voters' interpretation of what it means to provide value to one's team. In a different year they'll choose a different interpretation if it suits their preferred story lines. It's basically nonsense.

 

[Bank Shot]

There is no statistical performance that will guarantee a defenceman the Hart. Voters don't even agree on what the Hart actually means, so there are no guarantees. McDavid was a better player than Hall last year but lost due to voters' interpretation of what it means to provide value to one's team. In a different year they'll choose a different interpretation if it suits their preferred story lines. It's basically nonsense.

If a defenceman wins the Art Ross again I guarantee you he's getting the Hart.

Unless his team misses the playoffs.... Then he's not very valuable.

 

[connormcmuffin]

Goalies have the Vezina

Defensemen has the Norris

Forwards have the Hart

If anything forwards get the shaft given token blueliners and goaltenders occasionally win the Hart.

 

[DonM]

If a defenceman wins the Art Ross again I guarantee you he's getting the Hart.

Unless his team misses the playoffs.... Then he's not very valuable.

I guess I was thinking more in terms of a minimum statistical requirement. Obviously If a defenceman put up 200 points he'll win the Hart.

 

[VoluntaryDom]

If 2016 Karlsson can’t even win the norris then I have no idea. I’d guess a weak year from forwards + PPG.

 

[Price is Wright]

- No forwards having 100 points
- Defenceman is best player on the team
- Team makes the playoffs
- Defenceman has a point per game season and is Top 10 in scoring
- Positive +/-
- Goalie isn't a Vezina candidate but had his best season
- Not too old

Let's say no forwards hit 100 points this season due to injuries, Arizona makes the playoffs, Raanta is in Vezina talks but not nominated, and OEL puts up 81 points in 82 games with a +23. He'd win the Hart for that, even if say McDavid had 98 points.

 

[Bank Shot]

I guess I was thinking more in terms of a minimum statistical requirement. Obviously If a defenceman put up 200 points he'll win the Hart.

I would say 100 points would easily do it.

90 probably would as well.

 

[Bank Shot]

If 2016 Karlsson can’t even win the norris then I have no idea. I’d guess a weak year from forwards + PPG.

Ottawa missed the playoffs that year. You can't be a valuable player if your team misses the playoffs. That's the law.

 

[Sojourn]

Goalies have the Vezina

Defensemen has the Norris

Forwards have the Hart

If anything forwards get the shaft given token blueliners and goaltenders occasionally win the Hart.

You're joking, right?

The Art Ross. The Rocket Richard. The Selke.

Poor forwards. There are just no awards for them.

 

[Agent Zub]

Forwards are more able to impact the game

Elite defenceman can put up 70 points while being more impactful defensively and also being able to play 30 minutes a game.

 

[cg98]

Goalies have the Vezina

Defensemen has the Norris

Forwards have the Hart

If anything forwards get the shaft given token blueliners and goaltenders occasionally win the Hart.

Thats not how the Hart trophy works tho...

 

[Novak Djokovic]

Do what Erik Karlsson did in 2017 or Pronger in 2006 playoffs, but for the entire season. Very, very high standards set for them, unfortunately.

 

[PatrikBerglund]

If Karlsson hasn't won one after having carried Ottawa for EVER, I don't think it's even possible anymore.

 

[ballofhate13]

Simple answer be Bobby Orr

 

[boredmale]

Top 5 in defensemen scoring combined with being considered one of the top defensive defensemen

It probably would help if they play on a team that get alot of points but lack elite forwards

 

[Agent Zub]

Top 5 in defensemen scoring combined with being considered one of the top defensive defensemen

It probably would help if they play on a team that get alot of points but lack elite forwards

i can guarantee you this wouldn't come close to winning a hart for a d

 

[Help]

Elite defenceman can put up 70 points while being more impactful defensively and also being able to play 30 minutes a game.

An elite forward can put up 100+ points and have a greater impact on goal differential despite playing only 20 minutes

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Points.

When it comes to voting, it's either points based, or you're a goalie doing ridiculous things.