What will our bottom pairing look like at the mid-way point of the season?

[Ace Rimmer]

When did I refer to him as a person as trash? Do I really need to spell out "he is trash at hockey" or can you not understand through context?

Probably when you called him trash.

If that was not your intent... well your words are your responsibility, not someone else's.

 

[Volica]

Andersson-Stone would be a bad pairing, calling that now.

I expect Kulak-Hamonic to be our third pairing, albeit maybe taking "tougher" minutes than a higher-scoring Hanifin-Andersson second pairing.

Now if Hanifin-Hamonic works out, then it'll either be Kylington-Stone or Kulak-Andersson. Can't see any other third pair combo that makes any sense. They won't want two rookies (Kylington-Andersson), Valimaki probably needs some polishing, and Kulak-Stone would mean Andersson was very disappointing.

I doubt we see Andersson-Hainstud as a pairing.

They'll give Hammer and Hanifin a long look together. See if Hanifin can be the D they need him to be with Hammer

Andersson/Stone would be an upgrade on Kulak/Stone, likely; Andersson is the better hockey player with the much higher ceiling between the two. Don't see why that pair wouldn't mesh. While Kulak's likely a better skater than Rasmus, the gap isn't huge enough where it'd be that old Wideman/Engelland type pairing.

 

[Baxterman]

I can't see Andersson playing on his off side as a rookie when he didn't look that great on his usual side last season.

I know people like to rag on GG because he was so adamant about keeping guys on their right side but that is normally what happens throughout the NHL.

I think he was wrong with Brodie because he had shown that he can play on his off-side but with most guys the reason not to move them is not only because they shoot a certain way but because they have spent the majority of their lives playing that side as well.

I don't see them replacing Stone (and they shouldn't), I don't see them moving Andersson to his wrong side (which they shouldn't), I don't think Kylington is close to good enough and I have doubts Valimaki is ready (i really hope he is) so it is tough to see how a rookie gets in outside of injury.

I really hope they don't split up the top 4 because it seems to fit nicely just to shoehorn a rookie in that doesn't really deserve it.

Kulak is the obvious guy out based on play and the team going for the two way deal and waivers but I am not sure I see the replacement for him until Valimaki is ready.

 

[Rubi]

I can't see Andersson playing on his off side as a rookie when he didn't look that great on his usual side last season.

I know people like to rag on GG because he was so adamant about keeping guys on their right side but that is normally what happens throughout the NHL.

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I don't see them replacing Stone (and they shouldn't), I don't see them moving Andersson to his wrong side (which they shouldn't), I don't think Kylington is close to good enough and I have doubts Valimaki is ready (i really hope he is) so it is tough to see how a rookie gets in outside of injury.

...Nobody with any brains would make a young d-man play on a side that he's totally unfamiliar with during his rookie season. Playing D in the NHL is tough enough without throwing that into the mix.
Stone, if partnered with Andersson, will play on the left side.

 

[Lunatik]

I can't see Andersson playing on his off side as a rookie when he didn't look that great on his usual side last season.

I know people like to rag on GG because he was so adamant about keeping guys on their right side but that is normally what happens throughout the NHL.

I think he was wrong with Brodie because he had shown that he can play on his off-side but with most guys the reason not to move them is not only because they shoot a certain way but because they have spent the majority of their lives playing that side as well.

I don't see them replacing Stone (and they shouldn't), I don't see them moving Andersson to his wrong side (which they shouldn't), I don't think Kylington is close to good enough and I have doubts Valimaki is ready (i really hope he is) so it is tough to see how a rookie gets in outside of injury.

I really hope they don't split up the top 4 because it seems to fit nicely just to shoehorn a rookie in that doesn't really deserve it.

Kulak is the obvious guy out based on play and the team going for the two way deal and waivers but I am not sure I see the replacement for him until Valimaki is ready.

Literally everyone putting Andersson and Stone together have Stone on his off-side, where he played last season after Brodie was injured.

 

[Baxterman]

Literally everyone putting Andersson and Stone together have Stone on his off-side, where he played last season after Brodie was injured.

Well literally everyone except in the poll which this thread is based on so no not actually everyone.

 

[Tkachuky]

What if Gio does for Kylington what he did for Brodie and Dougie?

You proceed to do cartwheels. At that point I would really consider selling a Dman for a good goalie.

 

[Lunatik]

Well literally everyone except in the poll which this thread is based on so no not actually everyone.

It doesn't state one way or the other, you gist made that assumption

 

[Baxterman]

It doesn't state one way or the other, you gist made that assumption

Normally people list defense man by left guy first right guy second and if that was not the case here then fair enough but don’t try to act like listing defense pairings like that is not the norm.

 

[Mobiandi]

I listed Stone second for every option just to make the poll easier to read between selections. It was basically asking which two players would be in that pairing. Obviously, Stone-Andersson wouldn't qualify as a part of the "Other" option

 

[Lunatik]

Normally people list defense man by left guy first right guy second and if that was not the case here then fair enough but don’t try to act like listing defense pairings like that is not the norm.

in this case it was pretty clearly just a list thrown together, but you do you

 

[Ace Rimmer]

So um yeah. I'm going to need you guys to go ahead and, um, stop with the personal jabs. Mmmmmkay? Thanks.

Last warning.

 

[SmellOfVictory]

Probably when you called him trash.

If that was not your intent... well your words are your responsibility, not someone else's.

I think it's pretty obvious in a discussion board about hockey that the adjectives used towards players, when not otherwise qualified, are in reference to their hockey ability at the NHL level. If someone says "Crosby sucks" do you think they're stating that Crosby is bad at life? Or if they say Tavares is slow, that they're referring to his cognitive ability?

 

[Ace Rimmer]

I think it's pretty obvious in a discussion board about hockey that the adjectives used towards players, when not otherwise qualified, are in reference to their hockey ability at the NHL level. If someone says "Crosby sucks" do you think they're stating that Crosby is bad at life? Or if they say Tavares is slow, that they're referring to his cognitive ability?

No, even if those statements are false.

In this case, it is unclear as describing someone as "trash" is typically treading towards a character attack and not typically used to describe a skill or ability, given its derivation from the similar term "trashy".

 

[Volica]

I’ve called players trash before. It has never been a reflection of them outside of the rink. I’ve called guys like Engelland, Bartkowski and Brouwer got garbage; all guys are good members of the community.

I think we are having a discussion about wording in this board. Nothing particularly new, haha.

 

[Lunatik]

I’ve called players trash before. It has never been a reflection of them outside of the rink. I’ve called guys like Engelland, Bartkowski and Brouwer got garbage; all guys are good members of the community.

I think we are having a discussion about wording in this board. Nothing particularly new, haha.

in this particular case though, there is a reason to think the issue might be beyond calling a player's abilities trash. The amount of vitriol Peeps has for Stone is a level of hate we don't see on here often, the only comparison that comes to mind is me and Versteeg and i know him IRL.

 

[SmellOfVictory]

in this particular case though, there is a reason to think the issue might be beyond calling a player's abilities trash. The amount of vitriol Peeps has for Stone is a level of hate we don't see on here often, the only comparison that comes to mind is me and Versteeg and i know him IRL.

I don't read all of Peeps' posts, but I'm sure we've seen the same level directed at Brouwer by half the board, no?

 

[Volica]

in this particular case though, there is a reason to think the issue might be beyond calling a player's abilities trash. The amount of vitriol Peeps has for Stone is a level of hate we don't see on here often, the only comparison that comes to mind is me and Versteeg and i know him IRL.

Honestly, I don't really read Peepers posts and be like "Man, this guy wishes death upon this guy or something."

I read it as a fan who doesn't like a player. I think this forum's getting bent out of shape for nothing.

 

[Ace Rimmer]

First it was lentils, now English language.

Summers around here are TOO DAMN LONG

 

[Lunatik]

Honestly, I don't really read Peepers posts and be like "Man, this guy wishes death upon this guy or something."

I read it as a fan who doesn't like a player. I think this forum's getting bent out of shape for nothing.

I actually read it the same way as you, but I am just saying with his absolute blind hate for Stone, I'm get how some would read it the other way is all.

 

[Mobiandi]

Bumping this. 2 preseason games left. Has anyone changed their mind based on what they've seen?

I'm thinking Andersson's guaranteed to be up. Kulak-Stone look terrible so far although I'm not sure we're going to trade any of them unless Vali or Kylington explode in the AHL

 

[Calgareee]

I would love our d pairings to look like

Brodano
Hanifin - Andersson
Valimaki - Hammer

 

[Fig]

OTHER:

Gio - Hamonic
Stone - Hanifin
Andersson - Brodie
Kulak

 

[Flames Fanatic]

Bumping this. 2 preseason games left. Has anyone changed their mind based on what they've seen?

I'm thinking Andersson's guaranteed to be up. Kulak-Stone look terrible so far although I'm not sure we're going to trade any of them unless Vali or Kylington explode in the AHL

I'm still standing by that I think Valimaki is better served to be top pairing in the AHL for now. Time and experience are what he needs. Andersson is NHL ready and I'll be more than a little mad if he doesn't make the team.

 

[InfinityIggy]

Andersson and probably Dube should be on the roster if we are going off of pre-season performance. That often doesn't translate to reality though.