Speculation: What will Canes do at deadline?

What will Canes do at deadline?


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tarheelhockey

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I like the mentality, but I'm not sure we can "swing hard" at goalies from the current position. Yes we can (and should) draft them, but they're usually 3rd+ round draft material rather than blue chips, and they take about 5 years to develop. And we can't go signing UFA or trading for anyone while we still have 2 NHL level goalies on the roster.

Basically it's:
1) Say goodbye to Ward, an integral part of our organization and the closest thing to a franchise goalie that the organization has ever had
2) Buy out Darling
3) Say hello to Ward-Darling in 2018-19
 

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I wonder if there is potential for a struggling goalie swap with St. Louis or Ottawa. Allen and Anderson are barely above the .900 line and have comparable contracts to Darling. Perhaps Carolina could add something to make it happen.

Darling has been sub-Grahame going back to Christmas. He looks broken.
 

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The right move for next year that is devoid of sentimentality is to use Ward's spot to attempt to land another #1. Roll the dice on a RFA with one year left and see how next year goes with that guy and Darling. If he works, great. If he doesn't, re-evaluate (he being the RFA).
 

garnetpalmetto

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I'm all for option 4

At the risk of repeating myself yet again...here's the list of pending UFA goalies. Who do you get that's an upgrade on Ward let along is a competent/consistent enough tandem to get us into the playoffs?

Richard Bachman
Jonathan Bernier
Reto Berra
Joe Cannata
Aaron Dell
Jeff Glass
Jaroslav Halak
Andrew Hammond
Michael Hutchinson
Carter Hutton
Chad Johnson
Anton Khudobin
Darcy Kuemper
Eddie Lack
Kari Lehtonen
Michael Leighton
Anders Lindback
Tom McCollum
Mike McKenna
Antti Niemi
Edward Pasquale
Ondrej Pavelec
Aantti Raanta
Harri Sateri
Jeremy Smith
Niklas Svedberg
Danny Taylor
Dustin Tokarski
Cam Ward
Jeff Zatkoff

Ah yes, Dell's on that list which leads me to

We are about to lose one option...it appears Aaron Dell is close to resigning with the Sharks. At this point, I'm resigned to us resigning Ward to a 3 year, $4M contract, keeping Darling because reasons, and watching the same garbage all over again next year as Ronnie gets that bewildered look in his eye wondering why things didn't get better.



But I thought getting an upgrade in goal was as easy as Ron just going out there and spending the money. You mean there are other considerations to be made? Well damn, that just changes everything you've been saying for nearly a year now, doesn't it?
 
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Finlandia WOAT

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We know it's #3. The sooner we all accept that, the easier it'll be.

they're not going to buy out darling (this year), and ward (this year anyway) is one of the best on the ufa market. they're rolling Dwarling next year and praying darling puts it together.

then a top 9 forward in ufa, maybe another help-a-cap-strapped- team for assets, pencil in necas to replace ryan and foegele/zykov, stempniak and call it an offseason.
 

Boom Boom Apathy

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At the risk of repeating myself yet again...here's the list of pending UFA goalies. Who do you get that's an upgrade on Ward let along is a competent/consistent enough tandem to get us into the playoffs?

Richard Bachman
Jonathan Bernier
Reto Berra
Joe Cannata
Aaron Dell
Jeff Glass
Jaroslav Halak
Andrew Hammond
Michael Hutchinson
Carter Hutton
Chad Johnson
Anton Khudobin
Darcy Kuemper
Eddie Lack
Kari Lehtonen
Michael Leighton
Anders Lindback
Tom McCollum
Mike McKenna
Antti Niemi
Edward Pasquale
Ondrej Pavelec
Aantti Raanta
Harri Sateri
Jeremy Smith
Niklas Svedberg
Danny Taylor
Dustin Tokarski
Cam Ward
Jeff Zatkoff

IMO, guys in bold are worth taking a look at.
 

The Faulker 27

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It's going to be Ward and Darling, and that's a hell of a lot better than getting rid of Ward, keeping Darling and signing some other pylon on that UFA list. Darling should be in Timbuktu after this season, but if I have to deal with him, I sure as hell hope they don't take a chance on losing Ward, and going with another question mark in goal. We know what we have in Ward.
 

cptjeff

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At the risk of repeating myself yet again...here's the list of pending UFA goalies. Who do you get that's an upgrade on Ward let along is a competent/consistent enough tandem to get us into the playoffs?

Richard Bachman
Jonathan Bernier
Reto Berra
Joe Cannata
Aaron Dell
Jeff Glass
Jaroslav Halak
Andrew Hammond
Michael Hutchinson
Carter Hutton
Chad Johnson
Anton Khudobin
Darcy Kuemper
Eddie Lack
Kari Lehtonen
Michael Leighton
Anders Lindback
Tom McCollum
Mike McKenna
Antti Niemi
Edward Pasquale
Ondrej Pavelec
Aantti Raanta
Harri Sateri
Jeremy Smith
Niklas Svedberg
Danny Taylor
Dustin Tokarski
Cam Ward
Jeff Zatkoff

Ah yes, Dell's on that list which leads me to



But I thought getting an upgrade in goal was as easy as Ron just going out there and spending the money. You mean there are other considerations to be made? Well damn, that just changes everything you've been saying for nearly a year now, doesn't it?

Isn't Richard Bachman the pen name Steven King used when he was starting his career?
 

CandyCanes

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If we don't get a look at Nedeljkovic in these final 20 games, I'm not sure what the point of the final 20 games is.

The option still exists to have Darling get his stuff together in Charlotte.

Ned has a .905 sv% in the AHL, good for 29th in the league with goalies over 20 starts. He's been pretty meh, just getting a lot of wins cause they score 4-5 goals a night a lot. And I don't think those numbers get better in the NHL or likely translate over. He's probably not the answer. Am I open to giving him a start or two, sure why the hell not? But I'm not expecting much.

Side note: We have some promise in goalie prospect Jeremy Helvig, surprised there's not been much talk about him here. But he's led the OHL most of the season in SV% for starters. He's sitting at the top currently with a .920 sv%, 2nd best is .917%. Will be interesting to keep an eye on him.
 

cptjeff

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Ned has a .905 sv% in the AHL, good for 29th in the league with goalies over 20 starts. He's been pretty meh, just getting a lot of wins cause they score 4-5 goals a night a lot. And I don't think those numbers get better in the NHL or likely translate over. He's probably not the answer. Am I open to giving him a start or two, sure why the hell not? But I'm not expecting much.

Side note: We have some promise in goalie prospect Jeremy Helvig, surprised there's not been much talk about him here. But he's led the OHL most of the season in SV% for starters. He's sitting at the top currently with a .920 sv%, 2nd best is .917%. Will be interesting to keep an eye on him.

And Helvig just so happens to be AHL eligible next year. Gotta think that he gets strongly considered for some time on the NHL roster if he performs in camp since we don't have to do the juniors dance with him.
 

CandyCanes

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I still wish we could trade for a top goalie prospect like Hart, Sorokin, and Samsonov. Unfortunately that likely won't go down with them being in the division. Samsonov & Sorokin look like the real deal in the KHL. Doubtful Isles move Sorokin with their goalies, but with the Caps already having Holtby I wonder if there's any chance of a deal that could be made there.
 

CandyCanes

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And Helvig just so happens to be AHL eligible next year. Gotta think that he gets strongly considered for some time on the NHL roster if he performs in camp since we don't have to do the juniors dance with him.

Doubtful. I still think they'll do the slow grooming approach that they've done with Ned & Booth. I'm guessing Booth gets to split starts next year with Ned. Helvig probably gets the starting job with the Everblades.
 

garnetpalmetto

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Yes, I’m serious. He gets paid to get it right and improve the team. I don’t expect him to go 10 for 10, but I’m fed up with him batting below the Mendoza line.

Considering your advocacy for Darling, doesn't that also make you sub-Mendoza here? I mean I'm just saying, he who lives in a glass house...

Isn't Richard Bachman the pen name Steven King used when he was starting his career?

On the nose! Although it was more that he used it and his real name at the same time because his publisher thought a writer shouldn't put out books at the pace King was writing them and that readers wouldn't read more than one book a year by the same author, so they came up with the Bachman nom de plume.
 

Lempo

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Isn't Richard Bachman the pen name Steven King used when he was starting his career?
I've let myself be told it was a name he used when he specifically wanted to find out if he actually is a good writer outside the "Stephen King" brand that had already gained popularity, but the word got out about it before he got any definite answers over the Richard Bachman book "The Running Man".
 

My Special Purpose

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Ned has a .905 sv% in the AHL, good for 29th in the league with goalies over 20 starts. He's been pretty meh, just getting a lot of wins cause they score 4-5 goals a night a lot. And I don't think those numbers get better in the NHL or likely translate over. He's probably not the answer. Am I open to giving him a start or two, sure why the hell not? But I'm not expecting much.

I'm not disagreeing, and I wouldn't have even brought him up if Ned hadn't just had a lights-out February. Ned's line in February was: 7W-3L-1OTL, 1.13 GAA, .933 sv. pct. (251/269) with three shutouts. And he gave up more than three goals *once*. I think he's earned a few games at the NHL level, especially in light of what Darling has done with his opportunity.
 

sheriff bart

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I agree that it's tough to go to your boss and tell him that you made a $16.6M mistake. On one hand, Scott Darling's last 3 years in Chicago had him with SV% of .936, .915, and .924 over 74 total games. There was no reason to assume he was going to come into Raleigh and shit the bed. Now those sheets have been shat upon.

Dundon owes Darling $4.15M a year ($12.45M total) for 3 years. A buyout would save him $4.15M and result in him owing Darling $1.38M a year for 6 years. Now, it's easy for us to throw around his money, but he has a lot to consider here. Is Darling a lost cause and you need to move on? If so, there are the numbers. Worrying about the boss yelling at you for stating the obvious is why Ronnie gets the corner office.

The big question is...

Why do the Canes break every goalie that drops off their suitcase in Raleigh? Every drafted goalie, Kuodobin, Lack, Darling, etc.
 

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