Confirmed with Link: What to do with Trouba? (UPD: 1y/5.5m arb award)

[JetsFan815]

Sorry that's not how it works. The player puts a great deal of trust in the agent to get the best result for them. Yes they give a directive but the agents have different ways to get results. You have to remember that the agent gets more when the player gets more. They will drive hard to get what they want. So many things go into contracts, it's unreal. Things even such as a entry level contract that may or may not include the players parents being flown out to the first NHL game of the player. It's so complex, that's why players leave the work to the agents.

Agent is going to work to get the best deal for his client. The agent is not going redirect the entire career path of a player. Sorry. If Trouba doesn't sign a long-term deal tomorrow, it will be because that was Trouba's wish, not his agents'. It's like having a financial advisor, you can tell him to invest your money in mutual funds and trust the advisor to pick the best ones and not micromanage that yourself, you are not however going to expect or be okay with him putting all your dollars into a hollywood movie after you told him otherwise.

 

[sting13]

Agent is going to work to get the best deal for his client. The agent is not going redirect the entire career path of a player. Sorry. If Trouba doesn't sign a long-term deal tomorrow, it will be because that was Trouba's wish, not his agents'. It's like having a financial advisor, you can tell him to invest your money in mutual funds and trust the advisor to pick the best ones and not micromanage that yourself, you are not however going to expect or be okay with him putting all your dollars into a hollywood movie after you told him otherwise.

That's not always the case. Plus getting the most money for the contract is not redirecting the career path.

 

[JetsFan815]

That's not always the case. Plus getting the most money for the contract is not redirecting the career path.

Trouba is a grown man. If he wants to sign a market value contract he will tell his agent and his agent will make that happen. An agent might be able to hold up a deal to get an extra 500k, an agent however is not going to be able to put his client in a position in which they are traded to another city unless the client is okay with that.

 

[Gil Fisher]

Pretty sure Dumba and Trouba are the same RFA/UFA status.

Could be. The report I saw said it bought out 2 years of free agency though. Seems like it might be wrong though.

 

[puck stoppa]

Trouba is a grown man. If he wants to sign a market value contract he will tell his agent and his agent will make that happen. An agent might be able to hold up a deal to get an extra 500k, an agent however is not going to be able to put his client in a position in which they are traded to another city unless the client is okay with that.

You sure you don't know that his dad makes all the decisions? Grown man lol

 

[Howard Chuck]

I'm tired of the Trouba drama. Let's get something of value for him and get rid of the distraction.

 

[Neuf]

I don't see how Trouba can get traded without a third team involved. We need a defenceman but a team going for Trouba will likely be offering forwards. If traded, Jets might have to immediately flip...

Wish he would sign

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

we were fine without statsny. pacing for 110pts

mason did nothing, so how is having helybuck signed a step back?

we have plenty of wingers.

the biggest reason I see that kept us from the cup final, was the difference in the routes taken.

did not vegas have a minimun of 3 days off between rounds?

did they not have a week off before the WCF?

did we not just finish a hit fest 7 game series against the preds?

and then we had 1 day off before vegas.

we ran out of gas

I agree with some of that - but we had both Mason and Hutch to back up Helle. Signing him isn't a step back but our backup is weaker. We don't have another Pk'er, forechecker + scoring like Armia. Are we going to throw more assets at C at the TD?

Right now, we are not as strong as we were the day before we got Stastny.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Ye of little faith Mort

Yeah. Sorry.

I still don't like rentals. I hope we can win the cup this year. We will be good enough to have a good shot. But keeping Trouba as an own rental doesn't empower us to "go out and get a cup".

 

[GaryPoppins]

I could see the Isles making a big pitch for Trouba. They were very much interested in him last year.

Source?

 

[GaryPoppins]

Ready for this to be over. You want out? Cool. Dont let the door hit you on the ***on the way out and expect us to boo the heck out of you every visit to BellMTS until your retirement.

Also, try not to eat your pillow when we hoist the cup without you.

 

[BigZ65]

Tl;dr - I think Kurt Overhardt might be misleading his clients because of personal disagreements with either the idea of collective bargaining or disagreements with the the current head of the players' union. There's uncertain evidence that he and a few other agents have tried to lead a group of players to start a decertification movement in the NHLPA, which I think oversteps the bounds of a player agent.

Which is kind of idiotic because his main issue is common in all industries. In what industry does someone just out of school or training make more than someone mid-career? Experience counts in everything. Your worth in any career is always a balance of your skills and experience, which includes your track record.

It's exactly why any comparison of Trouba to Byfuglien at this point for contracts is just plain stupid.

 

[Tommigun]

Stop blaming Overhardt, he’s just acting on Trouba’s request. You give Trouba far too much rope here, speculating about his dad and his agent orchestrating this. No this is all Trouba, and he won’t sign at the last minute. The dude wants out and it’s time to accept it. It’s also ok to be disappointed in him but it seems like drafted players get never-ending amounts of rope here.

 

[None]

Which is kind of idiotic because his main issue is common in all industries. In what industry does someone just out of school or training make more than someone mid-career? Experience counts in everything. Your worth in any career is always a balance of your skills and experience, which includes your track record.

It's exactly why any comparison of Trouba to Byfuglien at this point for contracts is just plain stupid.

Yeah, part of the reason I think offer sheets aren't as common is because of the inherent risk with younger players. That risk goes down with age and teams know more about what player they're getting by the time the player becomes an unrestricted free agent.

 

[Bob E]

I could see the Isles making a big pitch for Trouba. They were very much interested in him last year.

What would a big pitch look like?

 

[Gm0ney]

You sure you don't know that his dad makes all the decisions? Grown man lol

Why do you bring up Trouba's dad? There's never been any evidence that he's behind Jacob's decisions, or involved in any way.

 

[StatisticsAddict99]

If he’s really wanting to be such a pain in the *** Chevy should just send his *** down to Ottawa for Duchene.

 

[JetsFan815]

You sure you don't know that his dad makes all the decisions? Grown man lol

Again, if he is letting his dad make his decisions for him than it's on Trouba. Not on his agent, not on his dad, not on the guy who maintains Chevy's cabin when he's away. It's on Trouba. A 24 year old, who has been to college and has been living on his own for atleast 6 years is a grown ass man who is responsible for his path as a hockey player, there is no point trying to direct the blame on his agent, on his dad or whoever.

 

[Mud Turtle]

Trouba is no Scheifele.
He doesn’t want to be here as much as the committed guys do and his holding out -again - is affecting many other decisions that the team needs to make.
If it wasn’t unhealthy for the team overall before, it certainly is now.
Coupled with the fact that he hasn’t developed into the quite the player we thought he would 3 years ago doesn’t help.
Getting rid in Kane and Bogisian were good moves and we’re nearing that point with Trouba in my opinion.
Does Trouba fit the mold of what True North is trying to build? Probably not.

 

[rehf]

IF Trouba doesn't want to be here, I don't think it's because of it just being Winnipeg/wanting to go to USA.

Jets are a contender, there's no reason to leave this.

I think it's because of usage - he's really, really good. He should be on the power play, not Tyler Myers. Myers I think has really complicated things for him.

Maurice and Chevy's obsession with Myers is ridiculous.

 

[Afterburner]

This Trouba thing is perverted sickism already

 

[ffh]

The reason I am skeptical of this argument is that the list of comparables for Trouba is not short. There should be almost no doubt about what his market value is and I believe Chevy has offered him a dollar and term value similar to those comparables. I see no evidence the Jets are trying to lowball him (both Helle and Lowry signed at or slightly above their market value). At this point if Trouba accepts the arbitration award then I will have to assume that it's because he wants out.

I agree with this and what your saying about it being trouba and not his agent the reason that he hasn't signed. I don't know if it because he wants to leave but rather he thinks he is worth alot more then he actually is. 2 times now they can't come to a settlement on a long term contract. Why wouldn't he just sign a long term contract and quietly ask for a trade. He would have been traded by now with 4 years left making around 5 million aav. He believes he is worth 8aav like mckenzie wrote and then thinks a dumba contract is lowballing him.

 

[10Ducky10]

A Dumba contract is lowballing him.

 

[Maylo]

Stop blaming Overhardt, he’s just acting on Trouba’s request. You give Trouba far too much rope here, speculating about his dad and his agent orchestrating this. No this is all Trouba, and he won’t sign at the last minute. The dude wants out and it’s time to accept it. It’s also ok to be disappointed in him but it seems like drafted players get never-ending amounts of rope here.

But that's amazing that it's always his clients that want out and forcing their team in their RFA years, Nino was forced out from NYI, Turris from Arizona and then from Ottawa, Johansen from Cbus and now Trouba. Geez even frigging Dubinsky held out.

 

[Tommigun]

IF Trouba doesn't want to be here, I don't think it's because of it just being Winnipeg/wanting to go to USA.

Jets are a contender, there's no reason to leave this.

I think it's because of usage - he's really, really good. He should be on the power play, not Tyler Myers. Myers I think has really complicated things for him.

Maurice and Chevy's obsession with Myers is ridiculous.

Yeah never seen what people see in Myers. It’s a shame if playing Myers on the PP had an effect on Trouba leaving.