Proposal: What Should the Bruins do this Summer? III

[BruinDust]

With NHL free agents now allowed to speak with other clubs prior to the market’s opening bell at noon on Saturday, the Bruins have reached out to defenseman Trevor Daley and the sides have had a “positive†dialogue, according to his agent, Rick Curran.

The Bruins will have competition for an unrestricted free agent who has won back-to-back Stanley Cups with the Pittsburgh Penguins. Curran estimated the 33-year-old Daley has spoken to eight teams in total.

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/...lking_with_free_agent_defenseman_trevor_daley

How many years can the Bruins afford to give this guy? What's the point of constantly drafting LD only to sign Daley to a 3-4-5 year deal?

And with 8 teams involved, what are the chances the Bruins offer the term and dollars to beat out the other 7 teams for Daley services.

He'll be 34 in October and looked close to done before his career was resurrected in Pittsburgh.

2-years, for the right money, is the best I'd do for Daley.

 

[JoeIsAStud]

How many years can the Bruins afford to give this guy? What's the point of constantly drafting LD only to sign Daley to a 3-4-5 year deal?

And with 8 teams involved, what are the chances the Bruins offer the term and dollars to beat out the other 7 teams for Daley services.

He'll be 34 in October and looked close to done before his career was resurrected in Pittsburgh.

2-years, for the right money, is the best I'd do for Daley.

I am with you on this, and there will be no NMC as a part of a deal, as I am hoping I can trade him after 1 year

 

[Ratty]

With the team and Backus locked into right wing, and Spooner apparently on his last legs in Boston, it would be wise to at least acquire on Sam Gagner's availability.

A free agent July 1, he's coming off his best season at 18-32...50. He is sound defensively and has good hockey sense. Made only $650,000. last year with BJs. Probably would cost $3m for two years according to speculation.

If JFK is not yet ready, Sam might be a good short term alternative.

 

[bp13]

How many years can the Bruins afford to give this guy? What's the point of constantly drafting LD only to sign Daley to a 3-4-5 year deal?

And with 8 teams involved, what are the chances the Bruins offer the term and dollars to beat out the other 7 teams for Daley services.

He'll be 34 in October and looked close to done before his career was resurrected in Pittsburgh.

2-years, for the right money, is the best I'd do for Daley.

My logic too. I'd try to give 2 years, $8M.

But let's remember they just gave 5 years to David Backes. And he was only one year younger and had a TON of wear and tear. So it's not like I'm confident the Bruins won't overcommit to an older guy.

I think Daly would be a good fit, and I'd rather sign him for 2/$8M than give up a 1st rounder for Scandella with the same contract. But like you said, another team is going to outbid us. Or more likely, a BETTER team is going to be more appealing to a 34 year old guy looking for another Cup run.

 

[BruinDust]

My logic too. I'd try to give 2 years, $8M.

But let's remember they just gave 5 years to David Backes. And he was only one year younger and had a TON of wear and tear. So it's not like I'm confident the Bruins won't overcommit to an older guy.

I think Daly would be a good fit, and I'd rather sign him for 2/$8M than give up a 1st rounder for Scandella with the same contract. But like you said, another team is going to outbid us. Or more likely, a BETTER team is going to be more appealing to a 34 year old guy looking for another Cup run.

Honestly I'd prefer if the Bruins just passed on Daley altogether.

 

[ickie*]

Honestly I'd prefer if the Bruins just passed on Daley altogether.

depending on the aav and term, he's a great player to have around even if you think you'd ultimately rather have a young guy on the 3rd pairing. it's a long season

 

[bp13]

just to help people understand our cap issue i'll lay it out with pastrnak/spooner signed

krejci 7.25
rask 7
bergeron 6.88
marchand 6.13
backes 6
pastrnak 6
krug 5.25
chara 4
belesky 3.8
spooner 3
mcquaid 2.75
miller 2.5
hayes 2.3
seiderberg buyout 2.17
khubodin 1.2

this is 14 warm bodies making 66.23 mill leaving 8.77 mill to fill out 9 more spots

mcavoy/carlo have performancd bonus that mighg take another 690k

so... 8 mill for 9 spots

ANY BIG CONTRACTS COMING IN MUST REQUIRE BIG CONTRACTS LEAVING

spooner could leave... i have him at 3 mill... we can replace him for 800k... increases our space 2.2

hayes could go to minors... increases our space around 600 k after we promote a kid

one of mcquaid or miller might be dealt to bring back our desired dman...

ive created around 5 mill to fit in a new dman... but where else can we create room? would anyone take belesky? will krecji waive his nmc?

trade ideas or free agent deals need to be cap compliant and this is our cap. thats why i suggest iginla... thats why i suggest giving up a pick or kid to dump belesky

What's the point of Iginla? Just to say they signed a guy? Big name gonna sell a few more tickets? Why not give that spot to a kid?

Not criticizing your post at all as I actually found the cap stuff quite helpful. But I just don't understand the logic that has us adding these older players to a team that isn't going anywhere. If we have all of these supposedly great prospects, leave a few spots open for them. And if they're not ready yet, then maybe sign a few younger UFA's to give them chances.

Long and short...a guy like Iginla feels like the veteran piece a team adds for a Cup run. But this team isn't making a Cup run. It's apparently just killing time until the kids blossom. So maybe I'm alone but I could do without the snowjob of signing washed-up names like Iginla or Thornton or whomever. If you can't make real trades and add real players who might make this team a contender, just keep kicking the can down the road and let's see what happens in year 6 of the Don Sweeney Retool Plan.

 

[BruinDust]

With the team and Backus locked into right wing, and Spooner apparently on his last legs in Boston, it would be wise to at least acquire on Sam Gagner's availability.

A free agent July 1, he's coming off his best season at 18-32...50. He is sound defensively and has good hockey sense. Made only $650,000. last year with BJs. Probably would cost $3m for two years according to speculation.

If JFK is not yet ready, Sam might be a good short term alternative.

Gagner is an slightly upgraded version of Spooner. Sound defensively he isn't. If he was, he wouldn't of bounced all over the league the past 3-4. Essentially a PP specialist and 5 on 5 liability.

But at least he doesn't cry every time he's asked to play the wing like Spooner does.

 

[bp13]

Honestly I'd prefer if the Bruins just passed on Daley altogether.

Sorta depends for me.

IF they actually plan to acquire a top 6 forward (young-ish and actually good), then I like the idea of Daley because I think the team could be decent and Daley fills a hole. But if they don't plan to add such a forward because they can't find a way, then yeah, scrap Daley. Just give that spot to a kid and let's just fast forward to next summer.

 

[BruinDust]

Sorta depends for me.

IF they actually plan to acquire a top 6 forward (young-ish and actually good), then I like the idea of Daley because I think the team could be decent and Daly fills a hole and is a decent player.

But if they don't plan to add such a forward because they can't find a way, then yeah, scrap Daley. Just give that spot to a kid and let's just fast forward to next summer.

If you bring in Daley for say 4 million per, where is the money for a Top 6 forward?

 

[mikelvl]

Acciari signs 2 year extension

https://www.nhl.com/bruins/news/bruins-sign-noel-acciari-to-2-year-contract/c-290193982

One way deal, $725k AAV

Good call.

 

[bp13]

If you bring in Daley for say 4 million per, where is the money for a Top 6 forward?

Yeah again, good question. If they want to do EITHER they need to make some moves, which is again why I just don't see it. Sweeney just doesn't seem willing or able to make such moves.

If it were me, McQuaid and Spooner would be gone already for futures. Mid-round picks would be fine by me, but I'd hope for a 2nd for Spooner. Hayes would be sent to Providence. That leaves me SOME money right? Then I'd probably use a future or two to get someone to take Beleskey off our hands. And I'll be honest, those trades neither seem unrealistic nor difficult to me.

At that point I probably have the money to add a $5-6M forward right? I make 2-3 of my prospects in the #3-12 range in my system available, along with 1-2 1st round picks and I shop for such a forward. If I need to give up Carlo in the deal instead, fine. That would mean I keep the prospects, and since most are D prospects, I live with that.

As for Daley, if we had the money left then I'd try to get him. One problem at a time.

 

[BruinDust]

https://www.nhl.com/bruins/news/bruins-sign-noel-acciari-to-2-year-contract/c-290193982

One way deal, $725k AAV

Good call.

Yup, his Qualifying Offer I think was over 800k (would of just been a 1-year deal and a two-way).

Saves Boston a little bit off the cap, every bit helps. Boston gives up the extra year and it's a 1-way, but to me that's a non-issue. Acciari acquitted himself very well upon his late season recall, and looked deserving of being part of Boston's mix of forwards.

 

[bruins4thecup65]

I still want Evander Kane, BUF retains some salary.
The guy can still play.

 

[Mr. Make-Believe]

https://www.nhl.com/bruins/news/bruins-sign-noel-acciari-to-2-year-contract/c-290193982

One way deal, $725k AAV

Good call.

I like Acciari. Happy he'll be a staple here on the fourth for the next couple of years. One of the best forecheckers we have.

 

[Krupp]

Gagner is an slightly upgraded version of Spooner. Sound defensively he isn't. If he was, he wouldn't of bounced all over the league the past 3-4. Essentially a PP specialist and 5 on 5 liability.

But at least he doesn't cry every time he's asked to play the wing like Spooner does.

Sounds perfect to me!

Just kidding. Do not want Spoons being our third line center this year though, but who to replace him? I keep having this hope that somehow JFK will do that, but that's just wishful thinking...

 

[TSBruins13]

I'd like to see us put together a package of Spooner + McQuaid + Pick(s) + Zboril + Subban for Brodin and Coyle. Move Coyle to the wing with Krejci.

Marchand - Bergeron - Vatrano
Coyle - Krejci - Pasta
Beleskey -Backes - Debrusk
Kuraly - Nash - Acciari

Chara - McAvoy
Krug - Carlo
Brodin - Killer

 

[Fenian24]

I'd like to see us put together a package of Spooner + McQuaid + Pick(s) + Zboril + Subban for Brodin and Coyle. Move Coyle to the wing with Krejci.

Marchand - Bergeron - Vatrano
Coyle - Krejci - Pasta
Beleskey -Backes - Debrusk
Kuraly - Nash - Acciari

Chara - McAvoy
Krug - Carlo
Brodin - Killer

Coyle is a RW, DeBrusk is a LW. Vatrano should be no where near the top line unless they are trying for a high draft pick by tanking, I include him in any bigger trade. He should have been moved when he had high value before the expansion draft because he didn't need to be protected.

Can't wait to see how many deals Adam McQuaid is a throw in or "just move him for futures" this off season and season. Right hand D are at a premium but half this board wants him thrown away because he is tough and not a figure skater. Kills penalties, plays 16-18 tough minutes a night and is one of the few guys who will fight, but let's just give him away.

If people think that defense is becoming all about speed and puck movement because of the Penguins (who added Ryan Reaves BTW for toughness up front) than they should overpay on Shattenkirk and let Carlo go, he isn't speedy. You would then have Shattenkirk, Krug, McAvoy and add in Grezylk for some more small speed. Don't need to have guys who can actually defend and hit, you have speedy little Dmen who can pass. The "Pittsburgh model" of D may work for them, it would work for a lot of teams if they had Crosby and Malkin.

Leave the D alone, make O'Gara or Cross your number 7, and add a tough top 6 two way forward and decent third line center. Identify your core prospects and start moving others before they become busts and your are stuck with the second coming of Jordan Caron and Zach Hamill.

 

[TSBruins13]

Swap Debrusk and Coyle. And for the record, I am not throwing away Adam McQuaid because he is tough and not a figure skater. I am a huge fan of his (see avatar). That said our pipeline is strong and I'd rather a kid get the 7th D spot than McQuaid.

Marchand - Bergeron - Coyle
Debrusk- Krejci - Pasta
Beleskey -Backes - Vatrano
Kuraly - Nash - Acciari

Chara - McAvoy
Krug - Carlo
Brodin - Killer
O'Gara

 

[Fenian24]

Swap Debrusk and Coyle. And for the record, I am not throwing away Adam McQuaid because he is tough and not a figure skater. I am a huge fan of his (see avatar). That said our pipeline is strong and I'd rather a kid get the 7th D spot than McQuaid.

Marchand - Bergeron - Coyle
Debrusk- Krejci - Pasta
Beleskey -Backes - Vatrano
Kuraly - Nash - Acciari

Chara - McAvoy
Krug - Carlo
Brodin - Killer
O'Gara

The McQuaid comment wasn't directed at you, sorry, was an overall impression of the boards opinion of McQuaid.

 

[mjhfb]

With the team and Backus locked into right wing, and Spooner apparently on his last legs in Boston, it would be wise to at least acquire on Sam Gagner's availability.

A free agent July 1, he's coming off his best season at 18-32...50. He is sound defensively and has good hockey sense. Made only $650,000. last year with BJs. Probably would cost $3m for two years according to speculation.

If JFK is not yet ready, Sam might be a good short term alternative.

I saw JFK play at the garden last year and to be nice, he didn't look close. Hopefully he comes around soon, but he looked more like a scared fragile Bantam than a top NHL prospect.

 

[NDiesel]

The McQuaid comment wasn't directed at you, sorry, was an overall impression of the boards opinion of McQuaid.

I don't think anyone hates McQuaid, I just think people don't want 4 defense first dmen in our lineup (McQ, Miller, Chara, Carlo). Clearly the team likes Miller so McQ is the odd one out for that group.

Look at most of the top D in the league, usually they are split 3 offensive D and 3 defensive. That's what I would want to roll out too.

 

[Dizzay]

Bottom line is teams who missed playoffs last season will be better this year, and if we stand pat with the current roster, we won't be making the playoffs. Our D, 4th line, and Tuukka are solid but sorry to say, the top 9 we currently will be forced to roll out are simply not good enough.

Don't care how the eff it gets done:
McQuaid/Miller
Spooner
Beleskey
Hayes(Minors)
They all have to go. No iffs, ands, or buts. If I had my way, I'd trade Krejci to CLB straight up for Jack Johnson. Even throw in a pick. Earns too much for the effort and points he puts up, and screw all the "he needs a capable winger talk", the guy played with Looch, who happens to be my favorite, but come on, Looch is not a guy who makes his centre better, it's the centre who makes Looch better.

 

[bbfan419]

I saw JFK play at the garden last year and to be nice, he didn't look close. Hopefully he comes around soon, but he looked more like a scared fragile Bantam than a top NHL prospect.

That was my thoughts on him too, I know he must have been nervous in his first pro game, but he looks like he could use a 2-3 years seasoning in the AHL.

 

[DitClapper]

Love the Acciari signing.