Player Discussion What makes J.T Miller such a good player? (2021 Edition)

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  1. jay from jersey Registered User

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    This was his MO with the rangers. He was young and was putting up 60 or so points, good numbers but he doesn’t know how to be a pro. He would try for 10-12 games and then his effort would be dog crap. Right after the trade to Tampa he was great in their playoff run earning a new contract, but they saw the same things everyone else did and were lucky to get a first from Van. He still has value and talent, but not a guy you want to go to war with when it matters most
     
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    Don't want to overstep my bounds here, but would there be any interest in a Miller for Dumba trade? MN could add a bit, such as 2nd/ Khovanov.
     
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    Maybe if you had read down a couple of posts to #122, I mentioned that he wasn't himself..and again, he's not the only one..Elias Pettersson isn't either...Thats 2/3 of the Lotto line

    This market always needs a scapegoat..Looks like its Miler this season.
     
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    They traded McDonagh at the same time. What did the Rangers see?

    Tampa was utilizing him as a 3rd line C (sometimes even 4th line) + 2nd PP. His underlying numbers were actually good. If you go by Evolving Hockey's metrics, he was actually coming off his best season.
     
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    Personally no. I'd want a blue chip prospect + pick.

    I'm not high on Dumba post-shoulder injury though, buyer beware IMO.
     
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    Miller’s outward actions are visible to everyone and audible to many. Nobody is scapegoating him.

    Such a victim complex.
     
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    Miller strikes me as a guy who takes things extremely personally. I don't think it's too farfetched to imagine that he was very motivated last year to compete on a new team that really needed everything he could give. Miller's kind of like Malkin in that his demeanor and overall play can change drastically based on how he's feeling. I don't think he's purposefully playing badly, but these are the facts we know:

    * He put in 110% effort every single night last year, he was our best forward

    * The whole team had to turtle and depend on unsustainable goaltending to force a second-round game 7

    * Miller's old team, the Lightning, went on to win the cup the year after he's traded

    * Miller's new team slashes their budget and loses the team MVP while bums who suck at hockey are getting paid a combined $30 million

    * He has a slow start to the year after missing a week because of being in close contact to Jordie Benn

    * He frequently looks disengaged, uninterested. We've seen infinitely more atrocious passes, nonexistent backchecks, and rage freakouts than last year
     
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    McD wasn’t going to get a new contract with rangers. They already made that mistake with Girardi and Staal. Too many miles on those horses. Tampa used JT a lot on the wing for their playoff push. I think he had 21 pts in 22 games or something. That play basically got him his new deal. The following year is when he was moved down in the line up. Tampa basically saw what van fans are seeing now. Good player. Not motivated when he can be. He’s putting up good numbers now. How’s he playing?
     
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    so you’re okay with how he’s played? Is anything ever bad?
     
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    Wonder if it eats a way at him that the Lightening finally won the cup as SOON as he got traded
     
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    Been terrible. He plays the half wall on the PP so he picks up so many easy PP points.
     
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    Post #122
    "No argument that his game has gone down this year."
     
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    Why are you scapegoating him
     
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    So McDonagh was traded for contractual reasons and the only reason Miller was traded was because he was a bad pro?

    When the trade was made I didn't see Tampa Bay fans talking about Miller's motivation problems. They saw it as a trade that cleared necessary cap space while getting a good asset in return and Miller was the more attractive asset to get it done. I think you're trying to equate Miller's time in New York to where he is now. When you last saw Miller in New York he was 24 and playing for a team that was almost as bad as the 17-18 Canucks.
     
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    Vigneault was the coach there and it didn't seem that hard to get into his doghouse & once you got there, it was tough to get out. This isn't to say players didn't develop while he was a coach. Burrows, Bieksa, Kesler, etc.,
     
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    Agreed, ...went through this last year with Brock Boeser when he was going through a tough stretch.
    Knee jerk, panicky reactions are not the solution.
     
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    dont you think those situations are different though? Miller’s had a well documented problem(like what he’s doing now) everywhere he’s played, whereas Brock was clearly recovering from an injury.

    dont you think Benning should have done his homework? Was this a calculated risk with this core, or is his bullshit gonna rub off on other people? I’m just a nobody, but our GM should knows these things.
     
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    You are being ignorant, these situations are not the same. All criticism is aimed towards attitude, effort, character and straight up being a shitty teammate.

    We went through this with Brock? No we didn't
     
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    Miller is a shitty teammate..?..Good grief..the drama..?..when was the last time you were in the Canucks bubble?
    Its been a frustrating season for Miller, and not everybody is wired the same way..Miller was our point leader last season, and a complete game changer..now he's literally become poison in 20 games.?..give it a rest.

    Some players have down seasons..I'm sure if we had traded Boeser last year (there were a lot of calls for that), there would be a heck of a lot of whinging this year.

    Despite Millers less than stellar play, he's still almost at a point per game clip (same as last year)
     
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    AV who can be a huge D-bag as you guys know, called him out in the media on more the one occasion. Details were sketchy, don’t really know if it was the night life of NY or his preparation but AV said JT needs to learn how to be a Pro. His effort on some nights, even when he had a goal or assist was very poor and upper management wasn’t going to spend millions on him for multiple years. That’s basically why he was included with McD with Namestinkov only coming back. He was cheaper and always gave max effort. However, he was also a black hole here too. I’m glad JT is doing well, he’s always had the skills,shot, talent, and size to be a player ever since we drafted him. But multiple years of poor effort cost him his career in NY. If Tampa really wanted to keep him, they could have moved other players for sure. They have been poaching rangers for years to put with their skill guys. Boyle,stralman, Callahan, Miller etc. the teams Miller were on with the rangers were good. We were in the playoffs a majority of his years here. Not bashing him as a player, just saw the thread and it’s like Deja Vu to me so I thought I’d post. I actually like Canucks.
     
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    You keep talking about down seasons, point leaders, point per game clips and Brock Boeser? I'm talking about attitude problems that don't have a place on any team in any sport, clearly you can't spot the downfalls or don't put much stock in to it for whatever reason. Having your veteran cup winning goalie stare you down with a "wtf" look on his face probably means you aren't being a good teammate, being up 6-1 and still slamming your stick because you didn't get the pass you wanted is being a bad teammate, I don't need to be in the canucks bubble when I can see it on T.v 3 times a week.

    I'm thinking you just haven't been watching cause like I said you keep bringing up Brock Boeser's season as a comparison when the issues between the two aren't even remotely the same .
     
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    I saw the Holtby/Miller thing, and after the fact, both players publicly said it wasnt a big deal.(and in the GDT's during the game, I'm as hard on Miller as anybody..one of the worst offenders for giveaways)...However..I still think you're taking a leap, labelling him as a 'shitty teammate'.(thats your opinion)..There is no proof of that from his time as a Canuck...Its just 'gossip'.

    I wasnt comparing Boeser situation to Millers...?, merely pointing out that when a quality player goes through some stretch of adversity in their game, he automatically becomes 'instantaneous trade bait?..Kneejerk, panicky thinking imo.
     
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    Imagine how Sutter feels after Pittsburgh wins two cups as soon as he was traded
     
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    Here's one view of JT Miller following the 2016-2017 season:

    In a year that saw the Rangers get off to one of the hottest starts imaginable, Miller was doing the heavy lifting when the main faucets of offense clogged up. Between himself, Kevin Hayes, and Michael Grabner, Miller was part of one of the more dominant lines the Rangers threw onto the ice all year. In terms of consistency, you’d be hard pressed to find a forward who was more active than Miller. Miller finished the regular season second with his 56 points — nestled right next to Mats Zuccarello and his 59 for the team lead. To help paint the picture a little more, he was 4th on the team in assists and goals. He was good. Damn good.

    Personally, I think the Rangers during the last 3 years of Miller's time in NY were like the post 2011 Cup run Canucks with AV as coach. They really weren't as good of a team as their standings suggested.
     

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