Proposal: What is the Leafs plan once Hyman and Dermott come off LTIR?

[Hammettf2b]

Do they just roll with a 20 man roster? Who gets sent down and who stays? Any trade possibilities?

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[ToDavid]

We can afford to run a 21 man roster.

Roster spots are still up for grabs however I think Holl is the favorite for the third pair RD at the moment, he's been playing well. But the extra spot probably goes to a defenseman anyway (Marincin) because the team is much better suited to play 11 forwards than 5 D, if it comes to that.

The fourth line is harder to predict. Moore likely moves down to take one of the fourth line wing spots (or Kapanen if the third line keeps gelling and he hasn't gotten his play back on track). Gauthier has earned his spot. That leaves one spot for Timashov, Shore, Petan, and Spezza, all of whom have played well. I would give it to Timashov because of his age, he'll be under team control for a few more years and IMO is more likely to get picked up on waivers.

 

[LeafalCrusader]

Probably looking at this

Johnsson Matthews Nylander
Hyman Tavares Marner
Souperman Kerfoot Kappy
Timashov Goat Moore

Rielly Ceci
Muzzin Barrie
Dermott Holl
Marincin

Freddy
Hutch

-21 man roster

 

[Kamiccolo]

Not only has this thread been made and answered 100 times, but a quick google search would pull up articles breaking this down.

The short answer is by going down to the league min roster numbers and recalling from the Marlies for injury replacements as needed, they will be under the cap by around 10k

 

[Magic Man]

I was told the Leafs needed to be at a 21 man roster to start the season and they only cut to 23. I'll wait to see just what happens when everyone comes back. Petan and Gravel get cut and they've already cleared waivers to fit in Dermott and Hyman and Shore and Marincin hit waivers if they need to get to 21. There won't be any trades, might lose someone to waivers, but probably not.

23 Man Roster - Bolded players to hit waivers if it needs to go to 21

Hyman - Tavares - Marner
Johnsson - Matthews - Nylander
Mikheyev - Kerfoot - Kapanen
Timashov - Gauthier - Moore
ex. Spezza, Shore

Rielly - Ceci
Muzzin - Barrie
Dermott - Holl
ex. Marincin

Andersen
Hutchinson

 

[Legion34]

Fun fact.

If you run a minimum roster of 20 and 1 player
Gets injured. You get to call up a min salary player for free as an emergency.

So we signed 5 guys at min. So ultimately we have a 24 man roster. We just call them up as needed on emergency basis.

Might run injury halfway through. Shouldn’t be an issue unless injury just happened on back to back California games.

 

[Michel Beauchamp]

Not only has this thread been made and answered 100 times, but a quick google search would pull up articles breaking this down.

The short answer is by going down to the league min roster numbers and recalling from the Marlies for injury replacements as needed, they will be under the cap by around 10k

If it's a short-term injury (IR rather than LTIR), the injured player cap hit still counts, and $10K is probably not sufficient to recall someone.

A $700K player has a cap hit of $3.75K per day and $10K only covers 2 days.

There is a provision for emergency recalls if the roster is below the 20 players needed, but I'm not sure if the team needs to play at least one game with less than 20 players.

 

[Kamiccolo]

If it's a short-term injury (IR rather than LTIR), the injured player cap hit still counts, and $10K is probably not sufficient to recall someone.

A $700K player has a cap hit of $3.75K per day and $10K only covers 2 days.

There is a provision for emergency recalls if the roster is below the 20 players needed, but I'm not sure if the team needs to play at least one game with less than 20 players.

Leafs are employing two cap specialists and authors of the CBA. I am certain they are not this stupid and know what they are going to do, whether that is emergency recalls or whatever.

Do people think the Leafs management are so stupid that they are going to re-activate the players and then go "uh oh" and have no idea what to do?

 

[Habs Halifax]

Fun fact.

If you run a minimum roster of 20 and 1 player
Gets injured. You get to call up a min salary player for free as an emergency.

So we signed 5 guys at min. So ultimately we have a 24 man roster. We just call them up as needed on emergency basis.

Might run injury halfway through. Shouldn’t be an issue unless injury just happened on back to back California games.

What happens when you are on a California trip and you need to call someone up? Hop on a plan ASAP and make it for the next game? I guess so eh?

 

[BatVader]

Isn’t this more of a Leafs board topic, instead of a trade board one?

 

[Legion34]

What happens when you are on a California trip and you need to call someone up? Hop on a plan ASAP and make it for the next game? I guess so eh?

Ya that’s what I mean. It’s pretty much the only time it would come back to bite you

 

[Habs Halifax]

Ya that’s what I mean. It’s pretty much the only time it would come back to bite you

Easier said than done though. Do we have any past examples where teams have done this for most of the season? Not sure but can't recall any from the top of my head. The point of the 23 man roster is the players practice with your team and understand the systems and are ready when you need them.

Will be interesting to watch how the Leafs deal with the cap and their 49 contracts. Certainly not much wiggle room

 

[Michel Beauchamp]

Leafs are employing two cap specialists and authors of the CBA. I am certain they are not this stupid and know what they are going to do, whether that is emergency recalls or whatever.

Do people think the Leafs management are so stupid that they are going to re-activate the players and then go "uh oh" and have no idea what to do?

Where am I wrong ?
Did you write this with or or even ?

They're not that stupid. They'll go "uh oh !" before trying to recall someone.

 

[Diamond Joe Quimby]

Isn’t this more of a Leafs board topic, instead of a trade board one?

Yep. These damn leaf fans posting about their team on the main boa...oh...

 

[Legion34]

Easier said than done though. Do we have any past examples where teams have done this for most of the season? Not sure but can't recall any from the top of my head. The point of the 23 man roster is the players practice with your team and understand the systems and are ready when you need them.

Will be interesting to watch how the Leafs deal with the cap and their 49 contracts. Certainly not much wiggle room

I think that’s why the marlies are in Toronto and they play the exact same system. They signed about 5 1 way players to take advantage of a loophole that no one knew existed.

They play in California 1 week a year and out west 1 week a year. With a private plane. They could make it happen.

 

[Kamiccolo]

Where am I wrong ?
Did you write this with or or even ?

They're not that stupid. They'll go "uh oh !" before trying to recall someone.

Where did I say you were wrong? I challenged the thought process that a management group, with a dedicated cap management team and authors of the CBA, who have done a good job of navigating cap challenges so far, are clearly not so stupid that they can't forecast 15 games into the season.

There is a plan, whether it is emergency recalls or some other provision that they are doing that no one knows about (like offseason LTIR a few years ago), they will be under the cap and make things work.

 

[Michel Beauchamp]

They signed about 5 1 way players to take advantage of a loophole that no one knew existed.

And what loophole would that be ?

And what do 1-way contracts have to do with this ?

 

[Michel Beauchamp]

There is a plan, whether it is emergency recalls or some other provision that they are doing that no one knows about (like offseason LTIR a few years ago), they will be under the cap and make things work.

You really think that no one knew about this ?

 

[ShelbyZ]

If the "loophole" is emergency recall exemption, it's not a secret.... Ken Holland knew about that shit while Dubas was still in his parents basement listening to Dashboard Confessional on a click wheel iPod.

 

[Kamiccolo]

You really think that no one knew about this ?

When it happened, nearly no one knew about it actually. Seems more like you have an axe to grind here than anything.

 

[Artorius Horus T]

What if at one point of the season you Leafs have 10 players injured?

 

[Legion34]

And what loophole would that be ?

And what do 1-way contracts have to do with this ?

That you can call unlimited emergency recalls up throughout the season for no extra cap without using LTIR if you go under 20 healthy players.

That’s why they gave all these 1 way contracts. So that the players are less likely to be claimed on waivers.

Now players like Aberg etc are stashed in case of injury. Without going through waivers or counting against the cap.

At least according to bobby Mack

 

[Legion34]

What if at one point of the season you Leafs have 10 players injured?

Then you call up 10 players without it counting against the cap

 

[mouser]

That you can call unlimited emergency recalls up throughout the season for no extra cap without using LTIR if you go under 20 healthy players.

That’s why they gave all these 1 way contracts. So that the players are less likely to be claimed on waivers.

Now players like Aberg etc are stashed in case of injury. Without going through waivers or counting against the cap.

At least according to bobby Mack

One important caveat: The team has to play at least one game shorthanded before an emergency recall is allowed.

 

[Deadly Dogma]

One important caveat: The team has to play at least one game shorthanded before an emergency recall is allowed.

If I was the coach I would wait till Hyman is ready, then when we are playing a bad team run 11 fwds and 6D. Load up pn ice time for the top 2 lines to pad stats and then get my exemption.

Question: Does the team have to play 1 game shorthanded every time they need to use the exemption?