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I agree with everything you said but how did we not develop Suzuki? What did the Knights do to develop him?
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Actually he didnt. He looked pretty meh in last preseason for us when the trade happened remember? We sent him down and then he impressed.
I think the credit to his vast improvement occurred during his final junior season playing for the Memorial Cup. Habs have had little to do with his development
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I mean Vegas didnt do anything different. Suzuki struggled a lot early in the season and is one of our best forwards right now. I'm sure Habs did something right to develop him.
I think Suzuki took charge of his development, worked on his strength and skating. I am sure the Habs provided guidance.
My point is he didn't spend a lot of time in the Habs organization before being ready.
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Most of the time it's the player improving themself, but the Habs surely helped him out therefore developing him.
He also worked on his defence wish was a direct directive from management.
To Not not credit Montreal with Suzuki’s development is laughable.
No he didn’t lol
people were questioning his skating and readiness.....you couldn’t be more off
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Habs absolutely developed Suzuki. He didnt just magically become this good when he looked like crap at the start of the year.
Posters were debating sending him to Laval.
of course the Habs didn’t give him his talents, but his pro game has transitioned quite nicely from when he first got here. This is on teammates and coaching
Every player develops differently. Some need more nurturing, some need less. Intelligence and self-confidence play a big part in how much or how little the team and environment play a role in development.
I will say this though... Development plays a huge part in success for 75% of young players. The rest (25%) succeed or fail no matter what you do.
I will say this though... Development plays a huge part in success for 75% of young players. The rest (25%) succeed or fail no matter what you do.
I know some like to blame Timmins. He's done some good and some bad work, like most scouts in the league. As such, he definitely deserves blame for some picks, and praise for others. But you can never take a scout's work by itself when talking about prospects' success when development plays such a huge role for most young players.
Why have the Habs never had any top scoring players over the last 30 years?
Organisational philosophy and mentality: what players are told or encouraged to work on, the values that are imparted, the system played, the priorities, etc...
The lastt time we had high scoring was Turgeon and Damphousse with 90+ point seasons... with Mario Tremblay as head coach. Basically, Mario was just opening the bench door for them and they went out and did their thing. They were established offensive players who wanted to play an agressive offensive game. They succeeded, and when the team started loosing a few, Jacque Laperrière told Tremblay that they absolutely needed to tighten up their game, and that's when the fallout with Pierre Turgeon happened. Pierre had game philosophy arguments right on the bench with his coach. Needless to say, he didn't last long in Montreal. You could argue that they traded him to give the emerging Koivu a bigger role, but it wasn't the main reason. There was absolutely room for both of them.
If this team wants a real change of direction, it'll take a major change in organisational philosophy and mentality at every level, even as far as the media around the team. They are all clinging to an outdated mentality and talking about a glorified past instead of moving forward and taking actions necessary to succeed, like in the past. However, the conditions and requirements for success are completely different from the past.
Why have the Habs never had any top scoring players over the last 30 years?
Organisational philosophy and mentality: what players are told or encouraged to work on, the values that are imparted, the system played, the priorities, etc...
The lastt time we had high scoring was Turgeon and Damphousse with 90+ point seasons... with Mario Tremblay as head coach. Basically, Mario was just opening the bench door for them and they went out and did their thing. They were established offensive players who wanted to play an agressive offensive game. They succeeded, and when the team started loosing a few, Jacque Laperrière told Tremblay that they absolutely needed to tighten up their game, and that's when the fallout with Pierre Turgeon happened. Pierre had game philosophy arguments right on the bench with his coach. Needless to say, he didn't last long in Montreal. You could argue that they traded him to give the emerging Koivu a bigger role, but it wasn't the main reason. There was absolutely room for both of them.
If this team wants a real change of direction, it'll take a major change in organisational philosophy and mentality at every level, even as far as the media around the team. They are all clinging to an outdated mentality and talking about a glorified past instead of moving forward and taking actions necessary to succeed, like in the past. However, the conditions and requirements for success are completely different from the past.
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The rebuild is in progress, the Habs are one of the youngest teams in the league. They especially need the U22 guys to mature hopefully into NHL impact players (so far just Suzuki).
FerrisRox
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I don't see any evidence that he has regressed at all. How did you arrive at the conclusion?
So are you actually suggesting that Suzuki arrived in Montreal before last season fully developed? How is that possible?
I guess I'm out of touch. He doesn't look out of place in the NHL to me and yet he's "clearly" not ready to you.
Fleury looks very comfortable in the NHL and seems to be developing nicely. Why does he belong in the AHL? You think playing at all levels in the AHL is more important than the experience he's getting at the NHL level as an every day player?
FerrisRox
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He played over 1000 games. He was far from being a fringe NHLer.
FerrisRox
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So then you believe that Suzuki arrived in Montreal a fully developed player who was developed by... his OHL team?
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I think by this point we can confidently say Bergevins ‘plan’ was / will not / will never be effective
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The point is that the Habs developed Suzuki. Not saying they are any good at doing it.
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Didn't read it either and bear in mind I have always seen similarities between both organizations, we are rich, sometime we lucked out and somehow get deep (Habs in 2010, Rangers against the Kings), we have a lack of overall franchise talent or prospect, we develop in a similar way, we don't draft high...it goes on an on but the thing they get and we don't is big talented free agents. (that being said it rarely works out for them)
The decision to go full rebuild is not one Bergevin can make alone. The key to this is Molson. Say what you want about Bergevin, but since Molson asked for a reset, Bergevin makes a very good job. I think the role of Molson since he is the owner/president of the team is overlooked. Just after he bought the team, Gainey made the awful Gomez/McDonagh trade and hired Gionta and Cammalleri as UFA instead of continue building on Price and the 2007 draft. So it's easy to blame Gainey, Gauthier and Bergevin, but Molson is the guy who gives the way to follow to the GM. If Molson would ask to go deeper in the reset/rebuild process, Bergevin would do so.
What are you talking about? Suzuki is on a 50 points pace at 20. Please tell me who is the last player the Habs had that made 50 points at 20 years old? Good search. Also, all this panicking about Kotkaniemi. It's pathetic. This kid was never tagged as an exceptionnal player like a McDavid or a Matthews. He is more in the mold of a Barkov or a Scheifele. He will need some time, but the talent is obvious. He is very young and clearly physically immature. He needs time. That's it.
