What if Pittsburgh/Hartford undid the Ron Francis trade?

Michael Whiteacre

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On March 4, 1991: The Hartford Whalers pulled a shocker when they decided that they were gonna trade their longtime star (who played almost a decade with the Whalers, served as their captain for six seasons and set the Whalers franchise history record books) to the Pittsburgh Penguins along with Ulf Samuelsson and Grant Jennings in exchange for John Cullen (who was doing well with Kevin Stevens and Mark Recchi), Zarley Zalapski and Jeff Parker.

Hartford/Pittsburgh had made an earlier trade on December 21, 1990 where Scott Young went from the Whalers to the Penguins in exchange for Rob Brown going to the Whalers.

Francis would go on to win his first Stanley Cup with the Penguins in '91, but what if Cullen continued his point producing magic with the Whalers (as he had with K. Stevens and Recchi) and Francis did not pan out for the Penguins in '91-'92? Would that have been when Hartford and Pittsburgh essentially undo the Ron Francis trade during '91-'92?

Only instead of Jeff Parker and Ulf Samuelsson involved this time, Scott Young (who spent the '91-'92 season in Italy) gets sent back to Hartford, with Francis and Grant Jennings in exchange for John Cullen and Zarley Zalapski going back to the Penguins with Kevin Dineen, so that Pittsburgh would have Mario Lemieux, Kevin Stevens, Jaromir Jagr, Rick Tocchet, John Cullen, Larry Murphy, Ulf and Kjell Samuelsson, Joe Mullen, Dineen and Zalapski while Hartford would have Francis, Bobby Holik, Pat Verbeek, Andrew Cassels, Geoff Sanderson, Scott Young, Grant Jennings and Brad Shaw.

There have been instances of teams undoing the original trade, such as the Philadelphia Flyers trading Mikael Renberg to the Tampa Bay Lightning in order to get Chris Gratton prior to '97-'98, and then a year later, the Flyers take back Renberg and sent Gratton back to Tampa Bay; and then the Marty McSorley-Shawn McEachern trade between the L.A. Kings and Penguins where McSorley went to the Penguins before '93-'94 and came back to the Kings later that season.

That had me think maybe a Ron Francis/John Cullen trade re-do in '91-'92 would too, only with Scott Young and Kevin Dineen included in the deal instead of Jeff Parker and Ulf Samuelsson in the first one.
 
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Stephen

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Don't want to derail the thread but one of the bigger mysteries attached to the Francis deal is what the heck happened to John Cullen? Puts up 92 and 110 points in 1990 and 1991. First full year in Hartford in 1991-92 he scores 77 in 77, which wasn't great for that era but whatever. Then 19 games into 1992-93 he gets traded to Toronto for future considerations? When 2 years earlier he's the franchise centerpiece coming back for Ronnie Franchise, and 1 year removed from a 110 point season? Flamed out the rest of the way, but what were the warning signs?
 

Chili

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Don't want to derail the thread but one of the bigger mysteries attached to the Francis deal is what the heck happened to John Cullen? Puts up 92 and 110 points in 1990 and 1991. First full year in Hartford in 1991-92 he scores 77 in 77, which wasn't great for that era but whatever. Then 19 games into 1992-93 he gets traded to Toronto for future considerations? When 2 years earlier he's the franchise centerpiece coming back for Ronnie Franchise, and 1 year removed from a 110 point season? Flamed out the rest of the way, but what were the warning signs?
Cullen's big point totals were playing with Mark Recchi, they had great chemistry together. Believe he played on a line with Pat Verbeek in Hartford, wasn't the same. Recchi was a special offensive player, could set up and finish. Cullen was more of a disher with a strong competitive edge.Also don't know when Cullen's illnesses starting affecting his play. Eventually derailed his career.
 
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Cullen's big point totals were playing with Mark Recchi, they had great chemistry together. Believe he played on a line with Pat Verbeek in Hartford, wasn't the same. Recchi was a special offensive player, could set up and finish. Cullen was more of a disher with a strong competitive edge.Also don't know when Cullen's illnesses starting affecting his play. Eventually derailed his career.
Not 100% sure but I think this was long before his illness. This was a time where guys who could briefly put up big numbers had more of a tendency to flame out quick - I don't know, kind of a remnant of the 80s? Carson, Cullen, Juneau... I don't know, I may be wrong, but it seems like if those guys were playing now and they dropped off at the ages that they did we'd be VERY surprised and perplexed, but looking back at that era, it feels like par for the course.
 
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sabremike

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Cullen's big point totals were playing with Mark Recchi, they had great chemistry together. Believe he played on a line with Pat Verbeek in Hartford, wasn't the same. Recchi was a special offensive player, could set up and finish. Cullen was more of a disher with a strong competitive edge.Also don't know when Cullen's illnesses starting affecting his play. Eventually derailed his career.
Basically think Rick DiPietro:Cully suffered a back injury early in the 91-92 season and he was never the same after that.
 
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Chili

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Basically think Rick DiPietro:Cully suffered a back injury early in the 91-92 season and he was never the same after that.
THERE'S A REASON CULLEN IS MORE AT HOME

The article mentions the injury and surgery. Also points out the teammates he had in Pittsburgh compared with Hartford. Remembering him with the Pens the first time, he had a Ryan O'Reilly level intensity, didn't see that a few years later.
 

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