What if Avs had used McKenzies draft rankings instead of Pracey since 2009?

[Freudian]

Just for fun I decided to see how Avs drafting would have looked if they had, instead of using our scouts, just picked the highest still available player in the McKenzie final ranking. Since those rankings only go to 60-75 players, this parallel draft universe only stretch through the first three rounds.

Are you happy with what we actually got instead of what McKenzie's list would have had us draft?

2009

Avs drafted:
#3 Matt Duchene (C/LW)
#33 Ryan O'Reilly (C/LW)
#49 Stefan Elliott (D)
#64 Tyson Barrie (D)

McKenzie list drafted:
#3 Matt Duchene (C/LW) Ranked 3rd.
#33 Ryan O'Reilly (C/LW) Ranked 27th.
#49 Stefan Elliott (D) Ranked 35th.
#64 Joonas Nättinen (C) Ranked 36th.

2010

Avs drafted:
2010
#17 Joey Hishon (C)
#49 Calvin Pickard (G)
#71 Michaël Bournival (C/LW)

McKenzie list drafted:
#17 Austin Watson (RW/LW) Ranked 14th.
#49 Calvin Pickard (G) Ranked 31st.
#71 Stanislav Galiev (C) Ranked 40th.

2011

Avs drafted:
#2 Gabriel Landeskog (LW/RW)
#11 Duncan Siemens (D)

McKenzie list drafted:
#2 Adam Larsson (D) Ranked 2nd.
#11 Ryan Murphy (D) Ranked 8th.

2012

Avs drafted:
#41 Mitchell Heard (C/LW)
#72 Troy Bourke (C/LW)

McKenzie list drafted:
#41 Martin Frk (C/LW) Ranked 32nd.
#72 Daniil Zharkov (LW) Ranked 47th.

2013

Avs drafted:
#1 Nathan MacKinnon (C/RW)
#32 Chris Bigras (D)
#63 Spencer Martin (G)

McKenzie list drafted:
#1 Nathan MacKinnon (C/RW) Ranked 1st.
#32 Zach Fucale (G) Ranked 19th.
#63 Oliver Björkstrand (LW) Ranked 52nd.

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[CobraAcesS]

Head assploded....

Honestly it's mixed bag, the big no no one or me is Landeskog vs Larsson.

Also hate the Frk vs Heard, we shat the bed on that one IMO. Honestly it's not that big of a deal though.

Barrie at #64 & O'Reilly at #33 is almost highway robbery. We've made the better choices at the higher end of the drafts, which is where it counts IMO.

When you miss on a top 5 pick, it hurts a hell of a lot more than missing on a mid/late first or later.

I would be livid watching Landeskog on another team to be honest.

 

[Avs_19]

Go with Bob's rankings in 2012 and Björkstrand over Martin last year.

 

[Balthazar]

Barrie instead of Nättinen and Landy instead of Larsson. I'm ok with this.

Too early to tell for the others IMO.

 

[R S]

Is this a modified version of this article?:

http://canucksarmy.com/2014/5/20/we-think-the-vancouver-canucks-may-have-a-scouting-problem

 

[InjuredChoker]

Is this a modified version of this article?:

http://canucksarmy.com/2014/5/20/we-think-the-vancouver-canucks-may-have-a-scouting-problem

posted that on out of town-thread. awesome.

 

[tucker3434]

Avs. The ones the Avs got right were far more important than the ones Bobby Mack got right. I'd like Watson over hishon or frk over heard but not nearly as much as I prefer Landeskog over larsson or Barrie over nattinen.

 

[Freudian]

Is this a modified version of this article?:

http://canucksarmy.com/2014/5/20/we-think-the-vancouver-canucks-may-have-a-scouting-problem

All this O'Reilly is overrated talk had me decide to see where he was ranked on the McKenzie list back then since it's known to be a pretty good ranking and when I saw that he would have been our second round pick using that ranking, I decided to compile it for all Pracey drafts. I had the data on my computer for a while before I got around to calculate it.

Of course with every Avs pick in the first three rounds with Pracey as head scout coming from CHL, perhaps we have an intern here too...

 

[R S]

posted that on out of town-thread. awesome.

Awesome, yes...but I bet many NHL teams would be looked at in a fairly bad light when compared in a similar way.

 

[InjuredChoker]

Awesome, yes...but I bet many NHL teams would be looked at in a fairly bad light when compared in a similar way.

well yeah, could be. just tells how wacky scouting can be.

edit. i might do this for avs tomorrow. have nothing else to do.

 

[InjuredChoker]

i had done this comparison before (team actual draft vs. mckenzie's draft) and the mckenzie's team lost those. not for avs though.

 

[InjuredChoker]

delete

 

[Freudian]

When it comes to drafting you have to put things in perspective. It's not easy drafting 17-18 year olds.

I think top three picks, you have to nail. You simply can't get it wrong. The other picks in the top 10 you have to get a NHL player. You can't draft Scott Glennie. Rest of round one and later, every team will get them wrong from time to time. I don't have a problem with Heard (and even he can turn into a role player in the NHL).

When you, like Oilers and Canucks, get nothing in rounds two and three for a long stretch of time, that's when you have a drafting problem. When you keep finding good players there, like Chicago, that's when you start building a team that has staying power.

 

[Ceremony]

I would much rather have Ryan Murphy than Duncan Siemens.

 

[henchman21]

Avs did better:

Barrie > Nättinen
Bournival > Galiev
Landeskog > Larsson

Avs did worse:

Watson > Hishon (Bordering on roughly equal, Watson would add a lot of size that the Avs now desire)
Frk > Heard

The rest are roughly equal or have yet to be decided.

I'll say that I would rather have had #11 on Bob's list in 2011 than Siemens with hindsight being 20/20 (Beaulieu).

 

[CB Joe]

Team Pracey:
Hishon, Bournival, Landeskog, Heard, Bourke
Barrie, Siemens, Bigras
Martin

Team MacKenzie:
Nättinen, Galiev, Watson, Frk, Zharkov, Björkstrand
Larsson, Murphy
Fucale

 

[Jayevs]

So many players I would take over Heard, Bjorkstrand instead of Martin would be awesome as well.

 

[Nihiliste]

When it comes to drafting you have to put things in perspective. It's not easy drafting 17-18 year olds.

I think top three picks, you have to nail. You simply can't get it wrong. The other picks in the top 10 you have to get a NHL player. You can't draft Scott Glennie. Rest of round one and later, every team will get them wrong from time to time. I don't have a problem with Heard (and even he can turn into a role player in the NHL).

When you, like Oilers and Canucks, get nothing in rounds two and three for a long stretch of time, that's when you have a drafting problem. When you keep finding good players there, like Chicago, that's when you start building a team that has staying power.

Interestingly, Kings/Hawks both ****ed up top 4 picks (Hickey, Barker) and are still dominant, thanks to their other picks/signings/trades.

 

[Freudian]

Interestingly, Kings/Hawks both ****ed up top 4 picks (Hickey, Barker) and are still dominant, thanks to their other picks/signings/trades.

Kings are a weird team because they've made their fair share of mistakes. They whiffed on Hickey, Teubert and perhaps Forbort in the first half of the first round. They've let Moulson and Purcell go for nothing.

But when you have drafted Quick, Doughty and Kopitar you have a backbone to build around. They've added UFAs at the right points (Mitchell, Stoll, Williams) and the previously passive Lombardi finally traded for big names in Carter/Richards to get them over the top. Many of their role players are players they have drafted, so they don't have to overpay for them in free agency.

 

[InjuredChoker]

stat sheet draft pick team since 2000

e. kane-giroux-williams
ROR-dubinsky-gallagher/toffoli/strome
laich-vermette-gallagher/toffoli/strome
clutterbuck/latendresse-stajan-pageau
richardson

boychuk-subban
wisniewski-barrie
y. weber-murphy
rome
elliott
gaunce
cumiskey

budaj
grubauer
janus

others kyle wellwood, oscar möller, matt halischuk, drouin

avs draft pick team since 2000

ROR-duchene-stewart
landeskog-stastny-mack
bournival-richardson-jones
galiardi-hishon-malone
carey

barrie-boychuk
liles-shatty
siemens/bigras-gilbert
elliott
cumiskey
gaunce

budaj
aitto

others svatos, wolski

 

[Freudian]

While Landeskog/Duchene are better than Kane/Strome getting Giroux/Subban would more than make up for it.

You're fired, Pracey.

 

[S E P H]

Avs did better:

Barrie > Nättinen
Bournival > Galiev
Landeskog > Larsson

Avs did worse:

Watson > Hishon (Bordering on roughly equal, Watson would add a lot of size that the Avs now desire)
Frk > Heard

The rest are roughly equal or have yet to be decided.

I'll say that I would rather have had #11 on Bob's list in 2011 than Siemens with hindsight being 20/20 (Beaulieu).

Pretty surprised to see how good McKenzie's rankings are. Of course there could have been better selections (just like any team), but the talent level drop off is really not that huge. Only one where I can see a legitimate drop is between Frk and Heard. Though Heard did have a fantastic training camp showed people there how he can really play like. A fantastic 3rd line centre with Roussel type of qualities. Don't think he will be that great of a goalscorer though.

 

[CalderKing21]

2012 is the only year I would change.

 

[Nzap]

stat sheet draft pick team since 2000



avs draft pick team since 2000

Nice info. Thx for the work.

 

[Hasbro]

In the case of Frk, who knows if and how strong there was a mandate not to draft Euros with high picks.

The jury is still out on 2012 anyway, but you can practically count Varly as the 1st rounder that year. Kind of like reviewing the Broncos '83 draft thinking of Chris Hinton as their pick.