What If Anything do the Isles do about Goaltending???

[It Was 4 to 1*]

Khudobin's numbers this year are better behind the NOT SO ELITE Hurricanes defense. He's about to make himself a rich man. With Ward out the next 3-4 weeks, he will have to carry the Hurricanes. If he keeps playing as well as he is, the one year, 850k he made last year will be a joke compared to his next contract. For Pete's sake, the guy has a career 2.03 and .932 sp with a 16-5-0-1 record in the NHL, if he sucked, those numbers would be a lot worse.

yes but i'm talking about at the time of free agency. of course khubodin has been playing very well now. he has also gotten hurt 10 games into the season. all i'm saying is that poulin wasn't a very clear downgrade from khudobin, they both posted similar numbers in the ahl, but one had the benefit of playing for one of the best defenses in the league.

khudobin has also played against the flyers, caps, and coyotes for his 3 games of the season. outside of the caps none of those teams are really lighting it up. the hurricanes also let up an average of 23.3 shots during those games

i wanted khubodin in the offseason but i can see why snow wanted to stick with poulin.

Here we have the best farm system evah, and we can't do better than matt frattin and ben scrivens. As if there are no commodities that allow one to buy what one wants from other organizations even if we don't have *exactly* what they're looking for.

Whatever. This argument is dumb. The issue is Snow's willingness to take risks and pay the price to improve. That's where the issue is. Not Matt Friggin' Frattin.

well the leafs had *exactly* what they were looking for.

our farm system is light on fowards (with strome, nelson, and sundstrom being the only 'projected' top 6 players) but heavy on defense. the kings have great defensive depth.

You would be the first one throwing a tantrum if the Islanders traded Bailey, Nilsson and a 2nd rounder for Bernier (as if that would have gotten it done anyway). Then you would have reminded us incessantly how stupid it is going into the season with two rookies in net. At least you would have been right about the second part.

bingo

 

[OlTimeHockey]

Since we can't sign DP anymore I think we're gonna have to wait to be confident in Poulin like we had to wait one game to learn Martinek was better out there than Donovan {who I urge/urged us to be PATIENT with} and wait to see Moulson was worth keeping even if a nice Tiffany's bag of pucks was on the way in trade.

Our starter played well. Poulin had one game and was decent with signs of competence. He's A KID. Donovan was AWFUL on D but I would send him right back out there, even with Carkner. Cappy, though, SHOULD AVOID sending him out late in game when he can....HE'S A KID!!!

So Poulin gets Philly. A tough game even with Philly's record but better there than Pitt. Poulin wins? He ups his chances of getting more starts {a non-socialist based coaching theory} just like a Ted Nolan rookie/kid ups their chances by playing better so the team benefits, not the development AS MANY DESIRE.

I have no beef with Naby getting starts. I think Poulin will take his chances. Nabby will be there to start seventy games if needed....it's Poulin's job to make that undesirable.

All he has to do is improve each game and make it hard on the coaches to sit him. If he doesn't do that til December? A tragedy to some here, a win for the team. Last night's backup was 26 and starting his career. I liked how he played.

 

[A Pointed Stick]

yes but i'm talking about at the time of free agency. of course khubodin has been playing very well now. he has also gotten hurt 10 games into the season. all i'm saying is that poulin wasn't a very clear downgrade from khudobin, they both posted similar numbers in the ahl, but one had the benefit of playing for one of the best defenses in the league.

I'm not convinced Khudobin would have made the cost worth it, but Nabby has convinced the world he is one of the most non-clutch playoff goaltenders in the league. Khudobin is at least an unknown and at worst equal to Nabby's playoff invisibility. The stats on their face also don't speak to Poulin's significant hole. It is one thing to need development in several aspects of your craft. It is another to be completely bereft of a particular skill to the point you couldn't bring it up to average no matter how much training one receives. Poulin's warts are significant. Khudobins'.... as bad? Probably not?

well the leafs had *exactly* what they were looking for our farm system is light on forwards (with strome, nelson, and sundstrom being the only 'projected' top 6 players) but heavy on defense. the kings have great defensive depth.

But in the 25 and under pool we have ample forwards, and anyone under 25 with decent upside would be welcome by any GM not calling an asylum his home.

There is no reason in the world why this club couldn't have turned the key for someone to push Nabby into the backup role, or even equally platoon, and after last season raised the bar it needed to get done. Management blew it. It is the only logical answer. Why they blew it is the only part of this really open to debate, and it applies to other glaring unfulfilled needs. Can't fill them all, no doubt there, but can't fill even one? Sorry, but that is damning.

 

[CREW99AW]

Miller will not cost much. Not understanding why the islanders haven't inquired.

I don't know where the idea that Miller won't cost much comes from. Shortly before the season started, Philly and Buffalo were having trades talks about Miller. The price was reportedly too steep for Philly. A Sabres writer(Harrington I think),asked Sabre fans if they would move Miller for Couts+ 1st+ prospect.

From the isles that would be One of Nelson or Strome+ 1st+ prospect.

 

[CREW99AW]

In Garroich's newest column, he writes about Anaheim possibly moving a goalie.

He does not say Snow is shopping for a goalie, but that he should be looking for an upgrade on Nabby. Hiller is a ufa in July. I think Fasth has 1 more season on his deal.

http://www.ottawasun.com/2013/10/26/anaheim-ducks-goalies-make-good-trade-bait

 

[Quicklime]

I know I'm probable going to get derided hard for this, but if things aren't looking a little better for Poulin by December or January, I'd consider signing the "Space Bear."

Hell, he was so atrocious last year - 2 games over .500 for a Philadelphia team that couldn't pull it's head out of it's ass and play 5-on-5 hockey. The Flyers crashing and burning wasn't as much Bryzgalov as people say, and who knows? He could be a fair "bridge" until the off-season, unless he pulls a big comeback - which I doubt would be Bobrovsky level, but I can see it working, possibly

 

[islesfan186]

I think Fasth has 1 more season on his deal.

http://www.ottawasun.com/2013/10/26/anaheim-ducks-goalies-make-good-trade-bait

I believe he signed a 3 year extension last year mid season. he was playing out of his mind and the ducks locked him up for a little longer

 

[Marlo Stanfield]

Didn't want to make a new thread/this is intertwined with goaltending...

Acquire 1-2 of:

Martinez from LA
Klesla from Phoenix
Stone from Phoenix
Mezaros from Philly
Robidas from Dallas
Postma from Winnipeg
Ekholm from Nashville

For any combo of mid/late round picks in the 2014 draft.

If we can't find a goalie or the price is too steep, do the next best thing - solidify the blue line and give Nabby/Poulin something to work with in front of em.

Lubo - Hamonic
Macdonald - new addition

Have Strait/Donovan/Hickey rotate between 5/6/7 where they ultimately belong

 

[blitzkriegs]

I know I'm probable going to get derided hard for this, but if things aren't looking a little better for Poulin by December or January, I'd consider signing the "Space Bear."

Hell, he was so atrocious last year - 2 games over .500 for a Philadelphia team that couldn't pull it's head out of it's ass and play 5-on-5 hockey. The Flyers crashing and burning wasn't as much Bryzgalov as people say, and who knows? He could be a fair "bridge" until the off-season, unless he pulls a big comeback - which I doubt would be Bobrovsky level, but I can see it working, possibly

If the Isles make that move it's really a statement on numerous levels. In one fell swoop, the Isles indict Poulin that they no longer have any confidence in him, the Bryz sideshow comes into play from the media PR perspective, it could be a signal to Nabby that his successor is here, etc.

Bryz can be the next Emery. Just the Isles end up with two poorly performing playoff goalies on the roster...

 

[blitzkriegs]

Emery appeared to be a model citizen in CHI, now goes to the trainwreck in PHI and reverts to his old OTT self. Nice one!

All those in favor of having Emery on the Isles AND waiting for another black mark on the franchise b/c of his antics?

 

[borisbadenough]

If the goal tender need, league wide, is soft at the deadline ..send vanek to have dinner with miller .He steals playoff games..(offer him a shot at the cup as a 1.5 mil rental ). You are now a serious cup contender. The Bruins and Pitt crap in their pants . Miller has been playing behind a swiss cheese d for years and put up good numbers doing it. He would have better numbers here, even with our young d in front of him.

 

[redbull]

Didn't want to make a new thread/this is intertwined with goaltending...

Acquire 1-2 of:

Martinez from LA
Klesla from Phoenix
Stone from Phoenix
Mezaros from Philly
Robidas from Dallas
Postma from Winnipeg
Ekholm from Nashville

For any combo of mid/late round picks in the 2014 draft.

If we can't find a goalie or the price is too steep, do the next best thing - solidify the blue line and give Nabby/Poulin something to work with in front of em.

Lubo - Hamonic
Macdonald - new addition

Have Strait/Donovan/Hickey rotate between 5/6/7 where they ultimately belong

Not sure those are anything more than what we already have. grass is often, exactly the same!

 

[borisbadenough]

Emery appeared to be a model citizen in CHI, now goes to the trainwreck in PHI and reverts to his old OTT self. Nice one!

All those in favor of having Emery on the Isles AND waiting for another black mark on the franchise b/c of his antics?

I heard John Scott will be in goal when the Sabres play Philly. lol

 

[N Ireland Nets Fan]

Fredrick Anderson just had a superb performance for the ducks versus the Rangers. With the ducks already having Hiller, and Fasth with Gibson in the system, Anderson could be a realistic surplus target.

He's Danish so Frans can help him settle in. I wonder how much the ducks would want for him. But he certainly looks the part, he's a huge goalie.

 

[blitzkriegs]

Fredrick Anderson just had a superb performance for the ducks versus the Rangers. With the ducks already having Hiller, and Fasth with Gibson in the system, Anderson could be a realistic surplus target.

He's Danish so Frans can help him settle in. I wonder how much the ducks would want for him. But he certainly looks the part, he's a huge goalie.

They mentioned on NHL overtime a possible EDM ANA swap on goalies and how EDM has chips to use to get a goalie, but needs to be right bc they have invested years in losing to acquire those chips and are no further along in getting better.

 

[MaryChristine*]

We must play poulin. We have to see what we have in him... Either as part of our future or as a trading chip.

 

[Felix Unger]

This is going to become desperate before long... NYI just can't go on like this.

 

[Hip Of Rick*]

We must play poulin. We have to see what we have in him... Either as part of our future or as a trading chip.

I don't care what Roy said about him 5 years ago. I just can't see Poulin as anything more than a 1B in his prime and that is a stretch. I see him back in the AHL next season. He flops around far too much and every shot is an adventure. His AHL numbers are mediocre as well. Poulin has the trade value of a 5th round pick at this point

Garth crapped the bed as usual this offseason. If he brought Nabby back he had to also bring in a veteran that is also in the 1B mold. Instead we have a 1B goalie and an AHL goalie. Carry on Garth

 

[kasper11]

I don't care what Roy said about him 5 years ago. I just can't see Poulin as anything more than a 1B in his prime and that is a stretch. I see him back in the AHL next season. He flops around far too much and every shot is an adventure. His AHL numbers are mediocre as well. Poulin has the trade value of a 5th round pick at this point

Garth crapped the bed as usual this offseason. If he brought Nabby back he had to also bring in a veteran that is also in the 1B mold. Instead we have a 1B goalie and an AHL goalie. Carry on Garth

Yup.

I have been a Garth supporter for the most part as I think he did a good job setting the Isles up over the past few years. But, coming off of the first playoff appearance in years, this offseason was the time to show you know how to take the next step. He didn't.

Everyone but him knew that Nabokov/Poulin was not good enough. Everyone but him knew our D was suspect. And what did we do in the offseason? Go with Nabokov/Poulin, sign two fringe forwards and count on an unproven rookie to replace Streit.

 

[OlTimeHockey]

Just happy to see Poulin rewarded for a great game against Boston. Maybe we don't WANT him to develop?

 

[blitzkriegs]

5th worst GA in the league...

 

[MDIsles]

The Isles should sign Bryz!

Use Bryz and Nabby!

Again not knocking Poulin BUT if the Isles are serious about making the playoffs sign Bryz and go with the "Russian Tandem." I just don't think Poulin can handle being the #1 at this point. I loved Poulin a TON before the Knee but not really now, just don't think he can handle it. Nilsson for that matter is not even good now and I loved him more than Poulin pre-knee.

Snow MUST sign an FA who is established between the pipes before next season!

 

[IslandersFan17]

Goaltending obviously needs to be addressed. However, in the same respect our defense is giving absolutely no help 90% of the time.

No Lubo and no Strait is really proving to be detrimental. I mean if I have to see Carkner one more shift I will lose it.

Argue all you want but Reinhart should have made this team. I am willing to bet Nabby would like a defender like that.

 

[enigmatic]

Goaltending obviously needs to be addressed. However, in the same respect our defense is giving absolutely no help 90% of the time.

No Lubo and no Strait is really proving to be detrimental. I mean if I have to see Carkner one more shift I will lose it.

Argue all you want but Reinhart should have made this team. I am willing to bet Nabby would like a defender like that.

cant reinhart still get the 9 game look now? if so, what is the harm? youd figure one of vis or strait would have to be back before then?

 

[blitzkriegs]

Argue all you want but Reinhart should have made this team. I am willing to bet Nabby would like a defender like that.

The cure is always a rookie or stud prospect...Nino didn't hack it and meet expectations. Donovan, how's he looking right now?

The team doesn't need a rookie, it needs a SOLID NHL veteran.