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the obvious solution is to reduce shootout wins from 2 points to 1 and keep everything else the same as it is now.
That's not obvious at all.
the obvious solution is to reduce shootout wins from 2 points to 1 and keep everything else the same as it is now.
NHL GM and owners don't want this. It had been discussed years ago, and they preferred the current method as it encouraged parity. They preferred that the teams stay closer in the standings, so that fans would continue to see the live games and so that the playoff races are closer.
Because less teams would still be in the race. The current system is great for making it hard to fall out of the playoff race. Whether you deserve to be part of the race or not.
Got to have the same number of points available in each match, therefore if you're going to give a 'loser' point it has to be 3, 2, 1, 0 or alternatively 2 points for any win, 0 for any loss.
I feel like those who are advocating for a 3-point system aren't really looking at historical records and what that would do.
Again, a team with 50 regulation wins would have 150 points. You do not need to give out a zillion more points to decide a playoff race. A 3 point system is just making everything more complicated.
Remove loser point. Stop complaining.
What's "complicated" about 150 points instead of 110? Hello? Are there any schools that only teach kids to count to 120?
There are no "loser points". They are points given for tying a game, something that has always existed in hockey. Canceling points for tied games would be nuts. Forcing a winner via OT/SO is fine, but shouldn't be worth as much as a regulation win. Hence, the 3-point system as the logical solution.
My problem with it is that there are just way too many points. Its one thing with the KHL only playing 50 games, or in soccer where seasons last anywhere from 35-38 games.
Using the Bruins from 2013-2014:
54-19-9 ROW: 51 for 117 points.
Using your system, they would have 168 points right? 132 is currently the all-time NHL high. 168 points to give out is just insane. Lets just remove the loser point and call it a day.
95-96' wings went 62-13-7 with only 3 OT wins. That would be a 183 point season using your model. You do not need to give out 180+ points to decide a playoff race. That's flipping crazy.
That's not obvious at all.
the obvious solution is to reduce shootout wins from 2 points to 1 and keep everything else the same as it is now.
Can we just bring ties back? 2 points for a win, 1 point for a tie, 0 points for any sort of loss.
I really don't need to see a winner in every game in the regular season. If the league wants to cut down on ties, just make OT 10 mins instead of 5.
Yes! THIS! The ultimate solution for regular season hockey. And it was always there! Ties.
The original idea behind shootouts was that a tie was somehow "unsatisfying". Well, that's just not true. Just look at the people leaving the arena after a shootout loss now? They think it's ********. Their team didn't REALLY LOSE PLAYING A GAME OF HOCKEY!
And a tie doesn't have to be unsatisfying. It can be a really good result for an underperforming talentless team - they get to celebrate getting a point out of this game against a better team. Or a young team that's just finding their legs - they play against the best team in the league and don't lose. They don't win, but they get a tie. They earn a tie.
And a tie can feel as bad as a loss to the team that felt they deserved to win, or to a team that, coming to the game, felt like they were the superior side.
The trouble with 10:00 of OT during the regular season is, you have to get the zamboni out to resurface the ice. Now instead of a quick 5-10 minute add-on to the game for the OT, plus another few minutes for a SO if it comes to that, you're talking 15-25 minutes to do the flood and play the 10 minutes, then potentially the SO on top of that. TV networks won't like it. Families with kids won't like it. Teams who have to hop a charter flight to their next city for a game tomorrow night won't like it.I really don't need to see a winner in every game in the regular season. If the league wants to cut down on ties, just make OT 10 mins instead of 5.
Also remove the shootout and have 5 minutes of 4 on 4 followed by 3 on 3 forever until there's a goal.
That's not what I wrote in my post... a 3-point system would further complicate the system, would ruin all historical records, and would give out hundreds more points (in total) to teams during the season.
To quote myself:
183 points for a 3 point system to the 95-96 wings record. Utterly unnecessary to give out that many points.
It'll never happen due to (a) broadcasting time constraints, and (b) the already overly intense NHL schedule. Could you imagine a team playing a hard-fought 5OT game ending at 3am then having to hop on a 3 hour flight to go play the second of back-to-backs against a team that's had 2-3 days off? They'd be better off not even showing up for that second game, take the loss that's coming anyway, and get some rest.
Continuous OT works in the playoffs because opponents have the same schedule and broadcasters are willing to allow playoff games to run over the window. Neither of those hold up for the regular season.
There will never be a 5 OT 3 on 3 game. There will never be one that even comes close to going 20 minutes. NBA games can technically go 5 OTs. MLB games can technically go 80 innings. These aren't real dangers.
Ya 3 on 3 should be high scoring. The defense would tire out, and forwards would stay fresh, because of the huge gap between the minutes they'd play (12 forwards used 1 at a time, vs 6 dmen used 2 at a time)
There are no "loser points".
They are points given for tying a game, something that has always existed in hockey.
Canceling points for tied games would be nuts. Forcing a winner via OT/SO is fine, but shouldn't be worth as much as a regulation win.
Hence, the 3-point system as the logical solution.
Why does it matter how many points the teams finish with? It's not hard to count to 180 instead of 120. And if you're that concerned about the historical records, you just apply the 3 point system to the old records.