maybe poile has learned his lessons with duchene. costly fa acquisitions aren't always a smart investment. currently cap space has huge value. would you rather have hoffman at 4y/6m or killorn and a 3rd for future considerations?we cleared out guys and have about $13 million in cap space. We need at least one top six winger. No trade rumors or even free agency rumors really. There is no way Poile will be crazy enough to think our current roster is better than last season, because it’s not.
I wonder if Poile is working on a Laine or Gaudreau deal?? Maybe Hoffman??
There has to be some sort of plan!!
hypothetical:
Vegas won AlexP sweepstakes they really only have to protect him and Shea in exp dr.
Are trying to move MAF he's 7m per x 2.
It's not clear LV has enuf in futures that I want that would work, but let's say they retain 3m per on MAF [who NY does not want] down to 4m.
Would you do a three way?
to NYR
from LV, minimum of
LV 2021 + 2022 1sts + NJ 2021 2nd
Cody Glass
+ something else mutually agreeable from LV
from Preds
NAS 2021 2nd + tomasino
to LV
Deangelo
to Nashville
from Rangers
Buchnevich + Strome
from LV
MAF retained
something like that?
Buch shoots lefty but does either W, proven good enuf to play w/Kreider + Zib,
Strome good facilitator with sniper [Panarin], will fit proportionately to his linemates and is a righty shot C who can slide to RW
in both cases, just want to avoid long term cap, and already give mo mins to Kakko, Krav, Chytil, Gauthier, and Nils L
Vegas adds possible emerging Zubov level RD they can protect in exp dr
Preds
get solid short term net boost, add rfa guys for now, both in mid 20s can be w/team another 4-5 yrs.
hypothetical:
Vegas won AlexP sweepstakes they really only have to protect him and Shea in exp dr.
hypothetical:
Vegas won AlexP sweepstakes they really only have to protect him and Shea in exp dr.
Are trying to move MAF he's 7m per x 2.
It's not clear LV has enuf in futures that I want that would work, but let's say they retain 3m per on MAF [who NY does not want] down to 4m.
Would you do a three way?
to NYR
from LV, minimum of
LV 2021 + 2022 1sts + NJ 2021 2nd
Cody Glass
+ something else mutually agreeable from LV
from Preds
NAS 2021 2nd + tomasino
to LV
Deangelo
to Nashville
from Rangers
Buchnevich + Strome
from LV
MAF retained
something like that?
Buch shoots lefty but does either W, proven good enuf to play w/Kreider + Zib,
Strome good facilitator with sniper [Panarin], will fit proportionately to his linemates and is a righty shot C who can slide to RW
in both cases, just want to avoid long term cap, and already give mo mins to Kakko, Krav, Chytil, Gauthier, and Nils L
Vegas adds possible emerging Zubov level RD they can protect in exp dr
Preds
get solid short term net boost, add rfa guys for now, both in mid 20s can be w/team another 4-5 yrs.
Realistically he has about $8.5M in cap space. And likely just 1 roster spot open, that 2nd line LW spot. It was supposed to be for Hall. But that fell through. So now he's biding his time. He'll get a bargain at some point, probably. He can afford to wait, since the market is over-saturated. Whether he picks up somebody from the Lightning, signs Hoffman or somebody else, or just lets the prospects compete for that spot, I don't think it's a worse lineup than last year. Sissons will need to step back up to his old self to replace what we lost in Bonino, but Poile shored up the 3rd pair on D which has been an eyesore for a few years. The main thing really is that the top 4 forwards just have to start playing up to their potential and the coach has to figure out how to make the special teams work. If (still a big "if") they can do all that, then they could be a borderline playoff team again.
I don't think the Preds have the assets to spare to trade for a player of Laine's stature, especially within the division. Poile will either sign a leftover UFA, pick up somebody's cap dump, or audition Tolvanen/Tomasino in the spot.
It doesn't sound like the Preds are indicating any Covid financial issues. They would have signed Hall if he wanted to be here, but he's hoping for more money when he eventually signs a longer term deal. Fair enough. But if he had signed, the Preds would have been shoe-horned right up against the cap again. So the Covid finances weren't an issue. But at the same time, if they can end up a few million under the cap, it can't hurt at this point.
Forsberg ($6M) - Johansen ($8M)- Arvidsson ($4.25M)
XXX - Duchene ($8M) - Kunin (?RFA - $3M?)
Grimaldi ($2M) - Sissons ($2.857M) - Trenin ($0.725M)
Jarnkrok ($2M) - Richardson ($1M) - Cousins ($1.5M)
McCarron ($0.700M) (or Pitlick, or whoever wins it in camp)
Josi ($9.059M) - Ellis ($6.25M)
Ekholm ($3.75M) - Fabbro ($0.925M)
Borowiecki ($2M) - Benning ($1M)
Tinordi ($700k) - Carrier ($0.733M)
Rinne ($5M)
Saros ($1.5M)
Turris buyout ($2M)
Santini buyout ($0.04167M)
TOTAL: $72.99M
CAP SPACE = $8.5M
hypothetical:
Vegas won AlexP sweepstakes they really only have to protect him and Shea in exp dr.
Are trying to move MAF he's 7m per x 2.
It's not clear LV has enuf in futures that I want that would work, but let's say they retain 3m per on MAF [who NY does not want] down to 4m.
Would you do a three way?
to NYR
from LV, minimum of
LV 2021 + 2022 1sts + NJ 2021 2nd
Cody Glass
+ something else mutually agreeable from LV
from Preds
NAS 2021 2nd + tomasino
to LV
Deangelo
to Nashville
from Rangers
Buchnevich + Strome
from LV
MAF retained
something like that?
Buch shoots lefty but does either W, proven good enuf to play w/Kreider + Zib,
Strome good facilitator with sniper [Panarin], will fit proportionately to his linemates and is a righty shot C who can slide to RW
in both cases, just want to avoid long term cap, and already give mo mins to Kakko, Krav, Chytil, Gauthier, and Nils L
Vegas adds possible emerging Zubov level RD they can protect in exp dr
Preds
get solid short term net boost, add rfa guys for now, both in mid 20s can be w/team another 4-5 yrs.
Vegas is exempted from Seattle‘a expansionhypothetical:
Vegas won AlexP sweepstakes they really only have to protect him and Shea in exp dr.
Are trying to move MAF he's 7m per x 2.
It's not clear LV has enuf in futures that I want that would work, but let's say they retain 3m per on MAF [who NY does not want] down to 4m.
Would you do a three way?
to NYR
from LV, minimum of
LV 2021 + 2022 1sts + NJ 2021 2nd
Cody Glass
+ something else mutually agreeable from LV
from Preds
NAS 2021 2nd + tomasino
to LV
Deangelo
to Nashville
from Rangers
Buchnevich + Strome
from LV
MAF retained
something like that?
Buch shoots lefty but does either W, proven good enuf to play w/Kreider + Zib,
Strome good facilitator with sniper [Panarin], will fit proportionately to his linemates and is a righty shot C who can slide to RW
in both cases, just want to avoid long term cap, and already give mo mins to Kakko, Krav, Chytil, Gauthier, and Nils L
Vegas adds possible emerging Zubov level RD they can protect in exp dr
Preds
get solid short term net boost, add rfa guys for now, both in mid 20s can be w/team another 4-5 yrs.
Not appealing at all from a Preds POV. We help out Vegas and NYR both by eating a bunch of cap while also giving up our best prospect. In return we get Turris 2.0 (who we'll have to pay after having a "career year"), a goalie we don't need and Buchnevich. It also blows up our cap situation right after Poile pretty well fixed it this offseason. Much rather save the space to try for one impact forward and retain some cap space going forward (and keep Tomasino).
Can you put anything substantive in your response besides a summary?
in summary:
ny out: rfa rights to strome, rfa rights (now 2yr/4.8m) deangelo and buchnevich
ny in: vegas 1st 21, vegas 1st 22, njd 2nd 21, nas 2nd 21, glass and tomasino
vegas out: maf (at 4m), vegas 1st 21, vegas 1st 22, njd 2nd 21 and glass
vegas in: rfa rights (now 2yr/4.8m) deangelo
vegas doesn't even save cap and you have the nerves to put the word MINIMUM in there as well.
Good catch, but actually makes my pt further. Vegas exempt is all the more reason for them to add Deangelo.First mistake. Vegas is exempt from the Expansion draft. The rest.. ugh.
Criticism, yes, but not constructive.You probably put a lot of work plotting out this trade so let me provide some constructive criticism worthy of the thought put it.
WHAT A JOKE.
Best critique so far.bern brother, I’m sure you put some thought into it, but you have to see where the Rangers get far more back than they deserve...
Ranger In - Cody Glass, Philip Tomasino, LV 2021 1st, LV 2022 1st, NYR 2021 2nd, LV 2021 2nd, additional asset
Rangers Out - Tony DeAngelo, Pavel Buchnevich, Ryan Strome
quick reaction: Rangers get equivalent of 4 1sts and 2 2nds and apparently an additional asset for a 2nd pair Dman a top 6 winger and a middle 6 Center, none of the assets being players with a history of sustained above average production.
Golden Knights In - Tony DeAngelo
Golden Knights Out - 2021 1st, 2022 1st, 2022 2nd, Cody Glass, MAF, additional asset
quick Reaction: Vegas gets absolutely bent. You can argue it’d cost a 1st and a 2nd to ship out Fluery that’s what plenty of reports have said, fine...but not WITH retention...and then to trade an additional 1st and Glass and a mystery asset for a 2nd pair Dman...no chance. Not to mention the team taking on MAF somehow doesn’t get the spoils of the draft pick return.
Predators In - Pavel Buchnevich, Ryan Strome, MAF
Predators Out - Tomasino, 2021 2nd
quick reaction: why are the Predators trading for MAF when they have a goalie tandem already that will be just fine, I suppose you are insinuating Buchnevich and Strome are worth the equivalent of 2 1sts and 2 2nds...well they aren’t.
it’s a self serving offer that helps the Rangers and nobody else involved
I will take door #2. I like the idea of Killorn a lot. If we can really have him AND a pick just to take him, I'm all for that.maybe poile has learned his lessons with duchene. costly fa acquisitions aren't always a smart investment. currently cap space has huge value. would you rather have hoffman at 4y/6m or killorn and a 3rd for future considerations?
Tolvanen is still waiver and expansion exempt. And if they don't fill the 2nd line spot, I'm sure he will get a long look. He started slow in Milwaukee but finished well last season. In theory he has been learning a more rounded game in the AHL. But he's still just 21 and hopefully he has a good time in the KHL and comes back with confidence. But it sounds like the team has been impressed more by Tomasino lately, so even while Tolvanen would get a look, he'll get pushed hard by Tomasino I suspect.Tolvanen?
isn’t he no longer waiver exempt? Or did he fall a game or two shy because the season got cut short? I thought Poile has said that Tolvanen was going to get a long look this preseason at a Roster spot
Seems to me Poile needs to go. Been there the whole franchise history and seems to have a habit of picking the wrong centers to back. Johansen, Turris and Duchene all failed to be the #1 they desperately need and he overpays for them. I think they need a new face with new ideas to come in.
Remember when they fired Laviolette for John f***ing Hynes?
Ooof.
Remember when they fired Laviolette for John f***ing Hynes?
Ooof.
Once again it has nothing to do with money. Poile has already stated the owners have not put him under any financial restrictions.Same as the Blue Jackets. Everyone thought they were prepping for a major splash but it turns out these small market teams need to save money
Criticism, yes, but not constructive.