We've fallen and we can't get up. 18/19 MGMT thread VI.

[Peter10]

Its a fair question....but some peeps can't help themselves to talking about Benning..?

Might have something to do with this being the management thread?

Also what do you expect him to have won? He is a NHL executive since a little over 3 years, one of it being an Assistant GM. Before that he had his own company which had an exclusive contract with the Canucks. How long did it take Benning to win something?

 

[Peter10]

Winnipeg,Columbus,TB,Buffalo are all 'small market' teams are they not?..I don't think budgets have as big of an impact as one might think.

Smart management does though.

 

[Hit the post]

Might have something to do with this being the management thread?

Also what do you expect him to have won? He is a NHL executive since a little over 3 years, one of it being an Assistant GM. Before that he had his own company which had an exclusive contract with the Canucks. How long did it take Benning to win something?

Chiapet has won the Cup as the GM of the Bruins. I sure as **** don't want him anywhere near the Canucks. I'd actually prefer Benning to him (who I think was the assistant GM of the Bruins when they won the Cup).

 

[Pastor Of Muppetz]

Check the thread subject. It's about management. What is Benning? Your post would be a fair comment if it was in a game day thread or something like that.


Does having an unlimited source of funds guarantee success even in the non-cap environment? Of course not, else Sather's Rangers would've won multiple Cups. You'd be hard pressed to convince anybody that it doesn't have a notable impact. Again, look at the Vancouver Whitecaps as an example or the Vancouver Grizzlies (where they had to work with a league mandated lower cap than all the other teams save the Raptors). Granted in the Grizzlies case, awful management were a larger factor but failing to have as much money to hand out to free agents meant a bench that was incredibly weak (the Grizzlies starting five wasn't that bad; certainly not great but now Washington Scouts NHL awful).

I was talking with another poster about Arizona's roster 2 years ago ...another poster came in and derailed the conversation into the usual tired circular argument that has been this thread for the last 3 years...

I was looking at the smallest market budget teams in the NHL,and they are some of the most successful..and some of the biggest market teams have been dreadful (look at the Leafs for a solid decade)...In the cap world,I'm not convinced its that much of a determining factor anymore

 

[Pastor Of Muppetz]

Smart management does though.

True.

 

[Hit the post]

I was looking at the smallest market budget teams in the NHL,and they are some of the most successful..and some of the biggest market teams have been dreadful (look at the Leafs for a solid decade)...In the cap world,I'm not convinced its that much of a determining factor anymore

Check on the Muskoka five on why the Laffs didn't start a real rebuild ten years ago:

https://thehockeywriters.com/the-maple-leafs-and-the-legacy-of-the-muskoka-five/

 

[Pastor Of Muppetz]

Check on the Muskoka five on why the Laffs didn't start a real rebuild ten years ago:

https://thehockeywriters.com/the-maple-leafs-and-the-legacy-of-the-muskoka-five/

Its a tricky situation when your locked in with vets....The Kings current situation reminds me of the 2013-14 Canucks..A group of vets on the downside of their careers,with nothing really coming up behind....Also,the hiring of Willie D to 'salvage' the underachieving vets...What do you do?..try and bolster that core,or blow it up?

 

[Cogburn]

Its a tricky situation when your locked in with vets....The Kings current situation reminds me of the 2013-14 Canucks..A group of vets on the downside of their careers,with nothing really coming up behind....Also,the hiring of Willie D to 'salvage' the underachieving vets...What do you do?..try and bolster that core,or blow it up?

If there is no turn around with the new coach by the deadline, I'd blow it up and use the Canucks as an example of what not to do. Kopitar and Doughty should be safe, literally everyone else not on an ELC shouldn't be. And even Doughty and Kopitar should be considered if the offer is fair.

 

[timw33]

What do you do?..try and bolster that core,or blow it up?

Based on how our bolster the roster around the Sedins strategy went....blow it all to hell. Unload as many $$ contracts and keep around vets who are going to be ok sticking through the transition.

 

[Pastor Of Muppetz]

If there is no turn around with the new coach by the deadline, I'd blow it up and use the Canucks as an example of what not to do. Kopitar and Doughty should be safe, literally everyone else not on an ELC shouldn't be. And even Doughty and Kopitar should be considered if the offer is fair.

Completely agree...although we couldn't trade our two biggest assets ( NMC Sedins),and refused to completely rebuild with them both on the team (Linden)..After Boston won in 2011, they went into a sort of mini rebuild around 2015,and it worked out for them.

Kopitar (31),Quick (32),Doughty (28) would fetch a Kings ransom (no pun intended) for their services at the deadline...It could put their rebuild on turbo boost.

 

[Cogburn]

Completely agree...although we couldn't trade our two biggest assets ( NMC Sedins),and refused to completely rebuild with them both on the team (Linden)..After Boston won in 2011, they went into a sort of mini rebuild around 2015,and it worked out for them.

Kopitar (31),Quick (32),Doughty (28) would fetch a Kings ransom (no pun intended) for their services at the deadline...It could put their rebuild on turbo boost.

I did correct myself, saying a fair offer for either should be considered. Everyone else should be actively shopped.

 

[Peter10]

Kopitar (31),Quick (32),Doughty (28) would fetch a Kings ransom (no pun intended) for their services at the deadline...It could put their rebuild on turbo boost.

Dont know, Kopitar and Doughty have NMCs. Just like Kovalchuk, Brown, Nate Thompson and Dion Phaneuf have some form of NTC/NMC. From what I have been told, these guys should be almost impossible to trade and the Kings gain probably almost nothing of value out of that.

 

[xtra]

Completely agree...although we couldn't trade our two biggest assets ( NMC Sedins),and refused to completely rebuild with them both on the team (Linden)..After Boston won in 2011, they went into a sort of mini rebuild around 2015,and it worked out for them.

Kopitar (31),Quick (32),Doughty (28) would fetch a Kings ransom (no pun intended) for their services at the deadline...It could put their rebuild on turbo boost.

Benning was just as into trying to compete as linden so don’t leave him out of that. In addition we had a lot of different assets if not squandered that could have been used in a rebuild

 

[rypper]

Completely agree...although we couldn't trade our two biggest assets ( NMC Sedins),and refused to completely rebuild with them both on the team (Linden)..After Boston won in 2011, they went into a sort of mini rebuild around 2015,and it worked out for them.

Are you insinuating that it was only Linden who didn't want to rebuild while the twins were still here? If Linden wasn't in the picture Jim would have torn things down?

 

[Peter10]

Are you insinuating that it was only Linden who didn't want to rebuild while the twins were still here? If Linden wasn't in the picture Jim would have torn things down?

I think he referred to the actual quote as it was Linden who said "it wouldnt be fair to the Sedins to rebuilt"

 

[Pastor Of Muppetz]

I think he referred to the actual quote as it was Linden who said "it wouldnt be fair to the Sedins to rebuilt"

Correct.

 

[xtra]

S bennings has tons of quotes about competing now, not liking losing, we will be a contender in 3 years. So he was as I to competing if not more than linden based on the rumors from the draft of linden wanting a fuller rebuild

 

[I in the Eye]

S bennings has tons of quotes about competing now, not liking losing, we will be a contender in 3 years. So he was as I to competing if not more than linden based on the rumors from the draft of linden wanting a fuller rebuild

Yeah, not having the young players play in a losing environment at the bottom of the standings seemed like an imperative to Benning... of utmost importance... oops.

The good news is, the kids seem fine. Whole lot of worrying, and wasted years, for literally nothing.

 

[Zombotron]

Allow me to break up the monotony here for just a moment:

Q: Would you take on the now-fired Ron Hextall in either a President of Hockey Operations or a GM role?

 

[MS]

Allow me to break up the monotony here for just a moment:

Q: Would you take on the now-fired Ron Hextall in either a President of Hockey Operations or a GM role?

I'd take literally anyone if it meant Benning was fired into the sun but I'd think there are a lot better options out there.

 

[ProstheticConscience]

It wasn't fair to the Sedins to rebuild...but apparently it was fair to sink to the bottom of the standings for years while spending to the cap trying to compete and failing miserably.

Yeah, ok.

 

[RandV]

Dont know, Kopitar and Doughty have NMCs. Just like Kovalchuk, Brown, Nate Thompson and Dion Phaneuf have some form of NTC/NMC. From what I have been told, these guys should be almost impossible to trade and the Kings gain probably almost nothing of value out of that.

Another thing making it difficult is generally when making trades teams need to balance out cap hits so with the massive contracts Doughty or Kopitar you're never going to get just pure futures.

My take on their situation would be they hold onto Kopitar, Brown, and Doughty, unless the players specifically ask to leave, and focus on trading Carter, Kovalchuk, Tofolli, Lewis, Muzzin, Martinez, and see if you can find a goalie desperate team like Calgary or Philly to pay premium on Quick.

 

[Jyrki21]

It wasn't fair to the Sedins to rebuild...but apparently it was fair to sink to the bottom of the standings for years while spending to the cap trying to compete and failing miserably.

Yeah, ok.

It's kind of like how Willie Desjardins was too prideful to let the team lose games while developing youngsters, so instead he let the team lose games while playing Jayson Megna.

 

[Josepho]

Hextall would be fine.

 

[mathonwy]

Allow me to break up the monotony here for just a moment:

Q: Would you take on the now-fired Ron Hextall in either a President of Hockey Operations or a GM role?

I'll take Maggie the Monkey as Prez and/or GM at this point of time because Maggie has a system when making her decisions.

Thanks Zombo for breaking up the monotony!