Player Discussion Were we 2013-2014 Oilers last year and are we now the 2014-2015 Oilers this year .. heading nowhere?

[platotld]

Having been beat by the Oilers yesterday, and how they seem to really be on the right path.... at least this year. I looked back to when the oilers last thought they had a contender. They had really good draft picks, talented and all but some reason wrong mix never got anywhere and they had to blow it up.

I love our guys, of course I do, but is this no matter how talented are top enders are, the right mix? If we do blow it this year (which I think we have...) is their a McDavid like player that can save us from our 7 year most likely 8th to 9th year of hell? This is a lot to take in but the similarities are huge. Read the very last few lines highlighted in red about the oilers below. Thanks everyone.


See the links and discuss if you like.

203-2015 Oilers (just showing main scorers)

Edmonton Oilers 2013-14 roster and scoring statistics at hockeydb.com

#	Player Name	Pos.	GP	G	A	Pts	PIM	+/-	GP	G	A	Pts	PIM	Birthplace	Age
4	Taylor Hall	L	75	27	53	80	44	-15						ALTA: Calgary	21
14	Jordan Eberle	R	80	28	37	65	18	-11	--	--	--	--	--	SASK: Regina	23
57	David Perron	L	78	28	29	57	90	-16						PQ: Sherbrooke	25
93	Ryan Nugent-Hopkins	C	80	19	37	56	26	-12						BC: Burnaby	20
89	Sam Gagner	C	67	10	27	37	41	-29	--	--	--	--	--	ONT: London	24
19	Justin Schultz	D	74	11	22	33	16	-22	--	--	--	--	--	BC: Kelowna	23
83	Ales Hemsky 1	R	55	9	17	26	20	-13	--	--	--	--	--	Czech Rep.: Pardubice	30
64	Nail Yakupov	R	63	11	13	24	36	-33	--	--	--	--	--	Russia: Nizhnekamsk	19
94	Ryan Smyth	L	72	10	13	23	44	-18	--	--	--	--	--	ALTA: Banff	37
27	Boyd Gordon	C	74	8	13	21	20	-15	--	--	--	--	--	SASK: Unity	29
26	Mark Arcobello	F	41	4	14	18	8	-7	--	--	--	--	--	CT: Milford	25
21	Andrew Ference	D	71	3	15	18	63	-18	--	--	--	--	--	ALTA: Edmonton	34
2	Jeff Petry	D	80	7	10	17	42	-22						MI: Ann Arbor	25
36	Philip Larsen	D	30	3	9	12	8	-4	--	--	--	--	--	Denmark: Esbjerg	2

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2029-2020 Canucks

Vancouver Canucks 2019-20 roster and scoring statistics at hockeydb.com

#	Player Name	Pos.	GP	G	A	Pts	PIM	+/-	GP	G	A	Pts	PIM	Birthplace	Age
9	J.T. Miller	C	69	27	45	72	47	11	17	6	12	18	14	OH: East Palestine	26
40	Elias Pettersson	C	68	27	39	66	18	16	17	7	11	18	2	Sweden: Sundsvall	20
53	Bo Horvat	C	69	22	31	53	21	-15	17	10	2	12	4	ONT: London	24
43	Quinn Hughes	D	68	8	45	53	22	-10	17	2	14	16	2	FL: Orlando	19
70	Tanner Pearson	L	69	21	24	45	27	-4	17	4	4	8	4	ONT: Kitchener	27
6	Brock Boeser	R	57	16	29	45	14	4	17	4	7	11	10	MN: Burnsville	22
18	Jake Virtanen	R	69	18	18	36	41	-4	16	2	1	3	25	BC: Langley	23
88	Adam Gaudette	C	59	12	21	33	37	-7	10	0	0	0	2	MA: Braintree	22
23	Alexander Edler	D	59	5	28	33	62	13	17	0	7	7	20	Sweden: Ostersund	33
57	Tyler Myers	D	68	6	15	21	49	-7	10	0	0	0	24	TX: Houston	29
8	Christopher Tanev	D	69	2	18	20	41	4	17	1	6	7	4	ONT: Toronto	29
17	Joshua Leivo	L	36	7	12	19	4	0	--	--	--	--	--	ONT: Innisfil	26
20	Brandon Sutter	C	44	8	9	17	25	1	17	1	5	6	4	NY: Huntington	30
51	Troy Stecher	D	69	5	12	17	32	10	17	2	1	3	10	BC: Richmond	25
26	Antoine Roussel	L	41	7	6	13	43	0	17	2	2	4	46	France: Roubaix	29
21	Loui Eriksson	L	49	6	7	13	12	-2	10	0	0	0	6	Sweden: Gothenburg	34
73	Tyler Toffoli 1	R	10	6	4	10	4	3	7	2	2	4	0	ONT: Scarborough	27
64	Tyler Motte	C	34	4	4	8	10	-10	17	4	1	5	2	MI: St. Clair	24
83	Jay Beagle	C	55	2	6	8	38	-9	17	1	1	2	10	ALTA: Calgary	33
4	Jordie Benn	D	44	1	6	7	17	-7	7	0	0	0	0	BC: Victoria	32
71	Zack MacEwen	C	17	5	1	6	20	6	6	0	0	0	9	PEI: Charlottetown	23

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2014-2015 Oilers

Edmonton Oilers 2014-15 roster and scoring statistics at hockeydb.com

#	Player Name	Pos.	GP	G	A	Pts	PIM	+/-	GP	G	A	Pts	PIM	Birthplace	Age
14	Jordan Eberle	R	81	24	39	63	24	-16	--	--	--	--	--	SASK: Regina	24
93	Ryan Nugent-Hopkins	C	76	24	32	56	25	-12						BC: Burnaby	21
4	Taylor Hall	L	53	14	24	38	40	-1						ALTA: Calgary	22
67	Benoit Pouliot	L	58	19	15	34	28	-1	--	--	--	--	--	ONT: Alfred	27
16	Ted Purcell	R	82	12	22	34	24	-33	--	--	--	--	--	NFLD: St. John's	28
10	Nail Yakupov	R	81	14	19	33	18	-35	--	--	--	--	--	Russia: Nizhnekamsk	20
19	Justin Schultz	D	81	6	25	31	12	-17	--	--	--	--	--	BC: Kelowna	24
8	Derek Roy 1	C	46	11	11	22	22	-13	--	--	--	--	--	ONT: Ottawa	31
51	Anton Lander	C	38	6	14	20	14	-12	--	--	--	--	--	Sweden: Sundsvall	23
84	Oscar Klefbom	D	60	2	18	20	4	-21	--	--	--	--	--	Sweden: Karlstad	21
57	David Perron 2	L	38	5	14	19	20	-17						PQ: Sherbrooke	26
23	Matt Hendricks	C	71	8	8	16	76	-14	--	--	--	--	--	MN: Blaine	33
2	Jeff Petry 3	D	59	4	11	15	32	-25						MI: Ann Arbor	26
21	Andrew Ference	D	70	3	11	14	39	-17	--	--	--	--	--	ALTA: Edmonton	35

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2020-2021 Canucks (yet to be finished , but so far they are at , so this is an open case. )

#	Name	Pos	GP	G	A	Pts	PIM	+/-	Birthdate	Age	Birthplace	Hght	Wght
6	Brock Boeser	R	23	12	10	22	10	-4	1997-02-25	23	Burnsville, MN	6.01	208
43	Quinn Hughes	D	23	2	19	21	8	-13	1999-10-14	20	Orlando, FL	5.10	170
9	J.T. Miller	C	20	4	15	19	14	-5	1993-03-14	27	East Palestine, OH	6.01	218
40	Elias Pettersson	C	23	8	10	18	6	-1	1998-11-12	21	Sundsvall, Sweden	6.02	176
53	Bo Horvat	C	23	9	7	16	6	-8	1995-04-05	25	London, ONT	6.00	215
57	Tyler Myers	D	23	3	8	11	37	0	1990-02-01	30	Houston, TX	6.08	229
70	Tanner Pearson	L	23	5	4	9	22	-5	1992-08-10	28	Kitchener, ONT	6.01	200
36	Nils Hoglander	L	23	3	6	9	6	-3	2000-12-20	19	Bocktrask, Sweden	5.09	185
64	Tyler Motte	C	15	5	1	6	12	-1	1995-03-10	25	St. Clair, MI	5.10	192
8	Jordie Benn	D	17	1	5	6	5	2	1987-07-26	33	Victoria, BC	6.02	199
20	Brandon Sutter	C	23	6	0	6	2	-2	1989-02-14	31	Huntington, NY	6.03	190
88	Nate Schmidt	D	23	2	3	5	2	-1	1991-07-16	29	St. Cloud, MN	6.00	194
83	Jay Beagle	C	23	1	4	5	6	-1	1985-10-16	34	Calgary, ALTA	6.03	210
23	Alexander Edler	D	22	0	4	4	24	-5	1986-04-21	34	Ostersund, Sweden	6.03	212
26	Antoine Roussel	L	22	1	2	3	31	3	1989-11-21	30	Roubaix, France	5.11	199
27	Travis Hamonic	D	5	0	2	2	4	0	1990-08-16	30	St. Malo, MAN	6.02	205
96	Adam Gaudette	C	19	2	0	2	8	-8	1996-10-03	23	Braintree, MA	6.01	170
25	Brogan Rafferty	D	1	0	1	1	0	-1	1995-05-28	25	West Dundee, IL	6.00	195
21	Loui Eriksson	L	5	0	1	1	2	-2	1985-07-17	35	Gothenburg, Sweden	6.02	179
49	Braden Holtby	G	10	0	1	1	0	0	1989-09-16	30	Lloydminster, SASK	6.02	214
71	Zack MacEwen	C	13	1	0	1	17	1	1996-07-08	24	Charlottetown, PEI	6.03	205
48	Olli Juolevi	D	15	1	0	1	0	3	1998-05-05	22	Helsinki, Finland	6.02	182
18	Jake Virtanen	R	18	1	0	1	22	-3	1996-08-17	24	Langley, BC	6.01	226
95	Justin Bailey	R	3	0	0	0	2	-2	1995-07-01	25	Buffalo, NY	6.04	214

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Now to the meat, this was a post from a reddit user from a year ago about why the oilers failed those years. Reading it now gives me goosebumps about the team this year. I will provide link only to show where the info comes from :




If you missed it above , red lines :

That feeling, that emotion, happened April 18th 2015. My office exploded a typical dull office day was filled with cheers and applaud cars outside were honking on Jasper Ave. It was not full blown win during a cup run game but it was something to cheer for. To this day I ask people if they remember where they were when they heard McDavid was an Oiler and lighting struck twice, everyone remembers every detail.

This was the moment, I fully believe that ownership realized that changes at the top had to happen and April 24th 2015 Peter Chiarelli became GM and President of Hockey Operations. Removing Kevin Lowe and Craig MacTavish from team management duties. Not even a week after winning the lottery.
This was officially the beginning of a new chapter in Oilers history. The McDavid effect was in full affect.

Closing.

I want to close in saying some people may look at us as lesser fans for celebrating a decade of hockey that had the lowest of lows at times. To those I say you cannot truly appreciate the highs without respecting the lows. This very well may go down as one of the darkest decades in Oilers history but every team in every sport has a turning point and I believe we will look back in 10 years from now and point directly to this season as the catalyst to many great runs.

Click to read more...

 

[deckercky]

Moral of the story is we'll get McDavid and Benning will be fired?

 

[Joe Rogan]

 

[platotld]

Alright alright alright.

 

[Kassattack]

I've always feared the Canucks may have a Colorado like season where they have one good year, double down and absolutely suck. Moral of that story? Taking a step back, trade away a player getting out of their prime (Duchene) and smartly reload the franchise with a good pick in the draft and build up the depth with smart moves.

With how the team is set up right now, that could be done in 2 years with tons of dead weight gone and young players with new contracts. This also means you need to consider a Horvat/Miller trade for a big return before they decline as assets.

That should be the model, that's why MacFarland should be a top choice for the GM job if Benning is finally gone.

Becoming the Oilers is the biggest fear but if the Canucks stink and get a top d-man prospect this year, it could really help them in that 2 year window I mentioned (Podkolzin and Hoglander would also still be on ELCs)

 

[VanJack]

When Peter Chiarelli is hired as the Canucks new President of Hockey Operations, then you can cue in the Rod Serling music and narrative. "Consider the bizarre case of the 2013-14 Edmonton Oilers (er.. Vancouver Canucks).

 

[garbageteam]

Frankly I'd rather be then because almost no matter the team circumstance, there is a certain level of starry eyed hope to having the best player on the league on your team (anchored by the #2 or #3, no less) signed to long term contracts. EP and QH, excellent picks for their positions as they are, do not inspire the same level of confidence and enthusiasm.

 

[platotld]

Moral of the story is we'll get McDavid and Benning will be fired?

Moral of the story is don't think a few great drafts can make a franchise.

 

[EpochLink]

TLR