Post-Game Talk (GBU): We forgot to trade for bounces

Thorton02

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+/- is a trash stat never use it. Risto plays on the PP and is on the ice whenever our goalie is pulled. That drags him below the likes of Scandella.
I would normally agree with you, but when you're dead last in the league by a long shot, it does paint a picture. Risto has PP specialist type numbers.

I love the guy, but I'm starting to see the argument for trading him.
 

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I would normally agree with you, but when you're dead last in the league by a long shot, it does paint a picture. Risto has PP specialist type numbers.

I love the guy, but I'm starting to see the argument for trading him.
Its meaningless in large part becasue the two guys with the worst +/- are guys who have played huge minutes on two of the worst teams in the league for the last several years. I don’t hear anyone referring to OEL as a bum because he has the 2nd worst +/- over that same time period.

I like Vogl but thats just a lazy potshot at Risto.
 
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The difference is that one is an 8 year NHL vet and the other is a 19 year old rookie. It's frustrating as hell to see him lose the puck at the blue line, fail to get to his feet and recover it, and watch the puck go in our net as a result, but it's also expected to happen with rookies. There is no excuse for a guy like Marco to lob a lazy, low, backhand across the slot in the defensive zone. He has been around to know better. Dahlin's mistakes have been fairly minimal and the positives of his game already far outweigh the negatives. He is relied upon too heavily by management and especially by fans. I think he has lived up to the expectations for the most part.
in the world of GBU and wins and loses, they are exactly the same. So my ultimate point is whether we call someone good if a mistake puts the game out of reach, and even if we have unrealistic expectations for the playoff or are applying the young/development logic unevenly.
 

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in the world of GBU and wins and loses, they are exactly the same. So my ultimate point is whether we call someone good if a mistake puts the game out of reach, and even if we have unrealistic expectations for the playoff or are applying the young/development logic unevenly.
I think i understand what you're saying - in relation to last night's game, he made an egregious error that led to the loss and he should stand criticism for that. I can agree with that. What threw me off is you referred to his overall play and his usage over the season and under those parameters i stand by what i said and also acknowledge that maybe a more sheltered role for a larger part of the season could have helped minimize some of those expected rookie gaffes.
 

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Three goal in under 3 minutes and not a mention of the goal tending issue this team has? Reinhart was right and Hutton should be embarrassed trolling him after 1.5 good games.

#1 need this off-season is goaltending.
Semantics, but our 2C is far worse wrt the rest of the league than our goaltending, so 2C is the #1 need
 

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Also, Dahlin once again wipes out at the blue line mishandling the puck during a critical PP... ending the game - no mention other than on everyone’s good column? How many times have we seen him do that this year? Then right back on the Ice and doesn’t miss a shift.

I can’t criticize the Sabres development of this kid, but he’s led to several critical swings in key games and I wonder if the overall team record has suffered because of it.
He had way more positive than negative ones.
 

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You're being purposely obtuse. You know he's given up lots of chances by mishandling the puck at the offensive blue line. The question is whether those are tolerable, or should be taken into consideration when evaluating his overall play. I question whether people would forgive Scandella for the same play.
Scandella is not a rookie.
Sure Dahlin makes mistakes but he brings so much more which none of the other D can't do regulary...zone entries..passes..
Scandella isnt really good at anything this year plus his glaring mistakes and low IQ choices.
 

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I thought we played well for most of the game. A few lapses led to Toronto goals and the game to get away. We are not a top 8 team in the Eastern Conference, that is pretty clear as day.
 

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Scandella is not a rookie.
Sure Dahlin makes mistakes but he brings so much more which none of the other D can't do regulary...zone entries..passes..
Scandella isnt really good at anything this year plus his glaring mistakes and low IQ choices.
Seems to me like in some people's eyes it's better to be a defenseman who is below average at everything than having big strengths and some weaknesses that stand out. Unbelievable how Dahlin and Pilut get singled out by some fans.
 

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I would normally agree with you, but when you're dead last in the league by a long shot, it does paint a picture. Risto has PP specialist type numbers.

I love the guy, but I'm starting to see the argument for trading him.
Meh, at 5on5 he's -12 on the year and technically that's worst on the team by raw differential but the minutes do matter. By % Larsson, McCabe, Okposo, Girgensons, Sobotka, Thompson are all worse.
 

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I thought we played well for most of the game. A few lapses led to Toronto goals and the game to get away. We are not a top 8 team in the Eastern Conference, that is pretty clear as day.
Yeah, I could suspend disbelief enough to think we still had a shot at the last WC spot if we won. I suppose if everyone above us loses, I might still fake an interest, but we can't keep losing games like that.
 
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I can't trash the hutton signing because i was a big fan of it back in July, but his issues with consistency are glaring right now. This is the danger of signing a goaltender in his 30's - you never know if and when they're game is going to start to slip and how far/long.
I don't really think the problem is that Hutton is in his 30s, it's that Hutton has never been a starter. Expecting consistency from someone who has never shown it with that kind of workload isn't really reasonable.
 

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I don't really think the problem is that Hutton is in his 30s, it's that Hutton has never been a starter. Expecting consistency from someone who has never shown it with that kind of workload isn't really reasonable.

Going into the season without a goalie that has ever been an NHL #1 was a big gamble by Botterill.
 
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tage didn’t stick out, good or bad. Feels like some of you have an axe to grind.
If they have an axe to grind, it's so they can use it on Thompson.

The guy had about four blatant turnovers, including one hitting Matthews on the tape in stride at our blue line, and missed all of his shot attempts, some from places where you simply have to hit the net. I didn't see him make a single play to a teammate when a maple leaf was within a stick's length of him, because he folds instantly the second he loses his space, though that is far from isolated to this game.

He's awful and I cannot fathom why he is still up here. That doesn't mean he'll always be bad, he's still so young. But he's been outclassed at the nuts-and-bolts hockey between the snipe-every-13-games by every single Rochester forward to come up and go back down.
Agreed. though I do think the tripping penalty on him last night was a "meh" call, OTOH, a higher skilled player likely either gets the assumption it was simply inadvertent tangled feet/skates and not called, or has enough skill not to tangle his feet/skates

Can someone ask Phil point-blank why Tage can never be benched for a night if he truly believes in making players earn their spots?

I feel somewhat bad for the kid because he's clearly overwhelmed and should be in the AHL right now, and the idiots in charge apparently think it's a better "development plan" to let him be an absolute trainwreck for 8-10 minutes per night here.

OTOH, the way he plays the game--seemingly always at half-speed, head down, refusing to ever simplify his game or throw a check--and the fact that I've rarely seen him attack anything with the kind of jump that most guys have when they're trying to break into the NHL is pretty annoying.
He has no "jump" to his game. His skating is rather plodding for someone with legs ~10% longer than most of his teammates.

I posted about this (from memory) a few games ago. It's really disconcerting. OTOH, the 05-07 teams, if they gave up a bunch of goals, had the talent and confidence to get them back in bunches. Sabers need more of both.

There's a skeleton of a good team here. It just needs some trimming and different management.
Were you trying to be humerus?

Maybe its just me, but I don't think that Leafs fans on HFboards are much worse than fans of any other team who are passionate about their franchise, just that since there's so many Leafs fans here that there's bound to be a few more bad ones just by numbers alone. Namely a large fanbase will obviously have more bad fans than a smaller fanbase even if the percentages may be the same.
I get the math argument. OTOH, the good Lord didn't see a need to give us more than one ass-hole.

Didn't get to watch the majority of the 2nd/3rd, but I'm gonna post anyways. <snipped a great post re: Housley>

Please, please tell me I'm wrong. This team consistently falls apart for any given period and there is no response, there is no coaching. Babcock looked ready to rip a head off after our first goal. Housley could watch 5 goals go in against us and he'd look like a dude watching a Bob Ross marathon.
You win the internet this week!!!

"Moral victories guys" - Kyle Okposo says to the guys in the dressing room. :)
I'll settle for an immoral bashing of the Leafs, or Flyers, or Bruins, any time they play the Sabres.
 
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I've moved on to next year. We need a legit goalie, and we need a lot of progress offensively from Mitts and just secondary scoring in general.
 
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The guy had about four blatant turnovers, including one hitting Matthews on the tape in stride at our blue line, and missed all of his shot attempts, some from places where you simply have to hit the net. I didn't see him make a single play to a teammate when a maple leaf was within a stick's length of him, because he folds instantly the second he loses his space, though that is far from isolated to this game.

He's awful and I cannot fathom why he is still up here. That doesn't mean he'll always be bad, he's still so young. But he's been outclassed at the nuts-and-bolts hockey between the snipe-every-13-games by every single Rochester forward to come up and go back down.

Even when I stuck up for him, my preference was always for him to be in Rochester. My only theory on why he's still up is his willingness to shoot, which is a very noticeable weakness in our forward ranks. Even when we're on our game we either overpass in so many good shooting situations, or don't make enough of an effort to get the puck from the perimeter cycle into a shooting area.

But if that's their line of thinking I can't understand why they wouldn't swap olofsson with him for a few weeks, especially when he's consistently missing the net on his chances lately :dunno:
 

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Not only did he not fist bump Skinner, he ran him over with no acknowledgement of his existence. :laugh:


Just finished watching the game, I'm backed up a bit on my DVR and just don't feel the need to bust myself to get caught up atm.

This really bugged me. It's probably not a big deal but if you knock your teammate down, you help him up! It's just damn rude not to. Especially considering it's an UFA that our biggest selling point is that he gets to play with YOU. Nice goal Jack. Hope you didn't cost your team its best winger in the process.
 

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Just finished watching the game, I'm backed up a bit on my DVR and just don't feel the need to bust myself to get caught up atm.

This really bugged me. It's probably not a big deal but if you knock your teammate down, you help him up! It's just damn rude not to. Especially considering it's an UFA that our biggest selling point is that he gets to play with YOU. Nice goal Jack. Hope you didn't cost your team its best winger in the process.

I actually had no problem with it and think its insignificant just like first bump gate.

It was just a funny visual seeing Skinner raise his arms in celebration and immediately flattened.
 

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What is a "first bump gate"
An intense close reading of ROR and Eichel's relationship based off of on ice celebrations. Basically, ROR and Eichel didn't fistbump after a goal, at least not frequently enough for most fans. Said fans then speculated that ROR and Eichel didn't like each other and one of them had to go.
 
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An intense close reading of ROR and Eichel's relationship based off of on ice celebrations. Basically, ROR and Eichel didn't fistbump after a goal, at least not frequently enough for most fans. Said fans then speculated that ROR and Eichel didn't like each other and one of them had to go.
Thank you, that's pretty funny.
 

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