Series Talk: WCSF Vancouver Canucks vs Edmonton Oilers. (Series tied 3-3)

[Leonardo87]

Vancouver Canucks vs Edmonton Oilers
WCSF

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[Three On Zero]

An actual NHL ref: “I can’t explain that one. That is the worse call of the entire playoffs.”

Oilers fans: “That is the most obvious charge we have ever seen.”

They don’t understand the difference between leaving your feet to jump into a hit and bracing for a hit. Pettersson didn’t “jump into” a hit, that’s where people don’t understand the rule

 

[Tralfamadore]

Is this satire or do you believe rule 42.1 says that? Because it doesn't.

42.1 Charging - A minor or major penalty shall be imposed on a player who skates, jumps into or charges an opponent in any manner.
Charging shall mean the actions of a player who, as a result of distance traveled, shall violently check an opponent in any manner. A “charge” may be the result of a check into the boards, into the goal frame or in open ice.

The jumping ONLY applies if the jump creates momentum that makes the hit violent. It fully relates to movement or distance traveled.

The call on the ice is unequivocally wrong. There is no way to read that and say a stationary player can commit charging, as the rule clearly refers to movement at every point. They could've maybe called elbowing if they really wanted to make a call, but charging isn't it.

If the ref believed jumping up with your back facing the player is charging then they shouldn't be reffing. It's OK for fans to not know the rulebook but for a ref that's literally their one job.

I think your interpretation is wrong personally. The rule states a penalty will be called if a player skates OR jumps OR charges into a player. The second sentence you put in bold is only defining what a charge is but a penalty is given if a player jumps OR charges into a player.

 

[geebster]

I think your interpretation is wrong personally. The rule states a penalty will be called if a player skates OR jumps OR charges into a player. The second sentence you put in bold is only defining what a charge is but a penalty is given if a player jumps OR charges into a player.

So you think the word "into" is there for no reason and the strict definition of what a charge is including distance traveled into a violent hit is irrelevant to the jump into?

You cannot jump into someone by jumping straight up, unless the person is falling from the sky towards you. I would 100% agree with you if Foegele was falling from the sky or hanging from the rafters. Then it's a dangerous play where Petey jumped at him for sure.

 

[JAK]

I think your interpretation is wrong personally. The rule states a penalty will be called if a player skates OR jumps OR charges into a player. The second sentence you put in bold is only defining what a charge is but a penalty is given if a player jumps OR charges into a player.

It says jumps into or charges. If you change the wording, it changes the meaning.

Lawyers wrote that stuff up, so go by the words.

 

[theguardianII]

three incidents all going against Van, Soucy, Zadorov, McD and Hyman. Zad - fined, Soucy suspended, McD nothing meh but Hyman? Charging with this stick at Zaforov's face reportedly drawing blood? Nada?
Kane, cross check to Myers face, drawing blood, 2 minutes? Rules state 5 minute and game misconduct. Nope 4 minutes for a high stick, a new designation for cross check to mouth I guess and Kane later instrumental in winning that game.
And then this farce. The world knows how lethal the Oiler PP is so lets give out a charging penalty to a stationary player bracing himself for a charging opponent and then not call that right either because charging causing injury is a also a 5 minute penalty, which can be reviewed, but ignore the blood so no 5 minute review.

Tocchet is starting to look like he has a sunburn sometimes on the bench. A volcano getting ready to erupt.

Was McD tripped? Quite possibly but when has he ever done a swan dive with one?

I think Zadorov's hit on Dras damaged him, almost invisible afterwards, not the same.

 

[Tralfamadore]

It says jumps into or charges. If you change the wording, it changes the meaning.

Lawyers wrote that stuff up, so go by the words.

Exactly it says OR not AND. To me that means it can be either or and a penalty can be given if only a jump occurs and not a jump and a charge.

 

[JAK]

Exactly it says OR not AND. To me that means it can be either or and a penalty can be given if only a jump occurs and not a jump and a charge.

42.1 Charging - A minor or major penalty shall be imposed on a player who skates, jumps into or charges an opponent in any manner.
Charging shall mean the actions of a player who, as a result of distance traveled, shall violently check an opponent in any manner. A “charge” may be the result of a check into the boards, into the goal frame or in open ice.

At what point did Pettersson jump INTO or travel any distance but vertical?

 

[theguardianII]

So you think the word "into" is there for no reason and the strict definition of what a charge is including distance traveled into a violent hit is irrelevant to the jump into?

You cannot jump into someone by jumping straight up, unless the person is falling from the sky towards you. I would 100% agree with you if Foegele was falling from the sky or hanging from the rafters. Then it's a dangerous play where Petey jumped at him for sure.

Did both of Petey's skates even leave the ice PRIOR to contact? Nope.
They should just penalized a goal post next.

 

[JAK]

They should just penalized a goal post next.

Goalposts is not good goaltending!
If we move the goal post to the penalty box, Draisaitl won't be happy.

 

[Tralfamadore]

Did both of Petey's skates even leave the ice PRIOR to contact? Nope.
They should just penalized a goal post next.

I mean c'mon they absolutely did.

 

[Chrysalis99]

Doesn't matter now. I think anyone watching that game was dumbfounded at the penalty for jump straight up. One for the all-time hall of shame on refs.

 

[Tralfamadore]

42.1 Charging - A minor or major penalty shall be imposed on a player who skates, jumps into or charges an opponent in any manner.
Charging shall mean the actions of a player who, as a result of distance traveled, shall violently check an opponent in any manner. A “charge” may be the result of a check into the boards, into the goal frame or in open ice.

At what point did Pettersson jump INTO or travel any distance but vertical?

When I see the video I do see EP carrying some momentum into Foegle so there must be some movement in that direction. How else would have Foegle taken more of the impact if EP just simply jumped straight up? He's not a brick wall.

Doesn't matter now. I think anyone watching that game was dumbfounded at the penalty for jump straight up. One for the all-time hall of shame on refs.

Oh ya it's horrible call to make in a game like that in the playoffs too.

 

[Madap]

I have to laugh when Oiler fans still try to tell us with a straight face that McDavid, Draisaitl, Bouchard are good defensively. It’s like watching rookies out there trying to contribute in their own end.

 

[Coffey]

Not sure if McDavid is injured or just getting old. But he’s not the same dynamic player we are used to seeing.

Unfortunate.

 

[Alienblood]

I kinda want this series over because the ref whining on both sides has completely ruined any enjoyment I’ve had for this series.

Y’all need to grow up or find Jesus or something.


What are you insinuating?

likely the big dive

 

[JKG33]

Nice to wakeup seeing the Canucks won. Shitpounded the Oilers and squeaked by the refs

 

[Just Rude]

wItHoUt sKiNnEr tHe OiLeRs wOuLd hAvE sWePt.

 

[JAK]

wItHoUt sKiNnEr tHe OiLeRs wOuLd hAvE sWePt.

What they meant was that if they played 6 on 5 in the offensive zone all game.

Oilers : What do you mean there's a defensive zone?

 

[Zaddy91]

Why did Sportsnet not talk about the Elias Pettersson phantom call at all?

 

[JAK]

Why did Sportsnet not talk about the Elias Pettersson phantom call at all?

Unless it's justifying a call, Ron MacLean isn't gonna allow any potential footage that makes referees look bad.

 

[Bizzare]

I disagree entirely based on the bolded. The only problem with the play was that he left his feet to initiate the reverse hit. Had he stayed planted, then there’s no call or debate, imo. The only thing Pete does wrong is leave his feet to initiate the reverse hit. That, and his weight has no bearing on wheather the play is legal so 180 means nothing.

Former NHL ref cheering for Edmonton

 

[Mighty Makar]

Does someone have a gif of Big Z mocking Kane last night? “Wahhhhh”

 

[Bizzare]

I think your interpretation is wrong personally. The rule states a penalty will be called if a player skates OR jumps OR charges into a player. The second sentence you put in bold is only defining what a charge is but a penalty is given if a player jumps OR charges into a player.

You realize by your definition every hit in the NHL is a charge right?

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

Vancouver is simply a deeper and better overall team , nothing to see here.

Oil can still win it though , McDavid and Drai will need to go 3ppg/game for that probably.

Meanwhile Petterson can sleep through the entire series and his team might win it , shows the difference in depth on both clubs.

JT Miller has that dog in him that's for sure

 

[MikeK]

Haven't read the thread but I'll assume @Brookbank has diligently reminded everyone that despite the Canucks dominating the Oilers, they were barely able to edge them off a last-minute goal.

Right, Brooksie?

Sounds identical to game 4.

At the end of the day, the Oilers lost. Everything else is irrelevant. Give full credit to the Canucks. Their best players were their best players. Oilers best players were their worst. So much for the Oilers running away with this series. They are on the cusp of being eliminated from the playoffs, again.