Series Talk: WCSF: Colorado Avalanche (C3) vs Dallas Stars (C1) | Stars win 4-2

[Avsfan1921]

May be unpopular, but I believe for the most part coaching is highly overhyped. All a good team needs is someone that can implement a structure and not step on their own feet in regards to 4d chess. We are blessed to have a coach that knows the system we want to play and sticks to it, and holds more accountability to his players than most do in his position. I like bednar because he implements a fast paced game and he’s reserved/well spoken but he won’t be the reason we win or lose this series lol. Just like Deboer won’t be Dallas’s deciding factor.

 

[Alienblood]

Comes down to Georgiev, IMO. Play like he did in Games 2-5 vs The Jets, and Avs will win.

Play like he did for the majority of the regular season, and Dallas will win.wr

Avs in 4

 

[LOFIN]

May be unpopular, but I believe for the most part coaching is highly overhyped. All a good team needs is someone that can implement a structure and not step on their own feet in regards to 4d chess. We are blessed to have a coach that knows the system we want to play and sticks to it, and holds more accountability to his players than most do in his position. I like bednar because he implements a fast paced game and he’s reserved/well spoken but he won’t be the reason we win or lose this series lol. Just like Deboer won’t be Dallas’s deciding factor.

Read this article, and then come tell us that "coaching is overrated".

How use of analytics is part of Colorado Avalanche’s secret sauce: “Numbers are unemotional”

For the Avalanche, it’s not just the quality of information from the four-person team on the analytics staff, but how it gets communicated and circulated throughout the organization that help…

www.denverpost.com

 

[Avsfan1921]

Read this article, and then come tell us that "coaching is overrated".

How use of analytics is part of Colorado Avalanche’s secret sauce: “Numbers are unemotional”

For the Avalanche, it’s not just the quality of information from the four-person team on the analytics staff, but how it gets communicated and circulated throughout the organization that help…

www.denverpost.com

First off I want to clarify that coaching is an essential part of a team but is still over exaggerated. Secondly, I’ve read the article already and I stand by my statement. When you are talking about the best coaches in the world, there’s not a lot that separates them. Good on the Avs staff for looking at every potential advantage. I’m also certain they aren’t the only staff that does this. It didn’t help them last year though because they didn’t have the horses. This year could be different and what has changed? Not the coaching staff.

 

[Pokecheque]

First off I want to clarify that coaching is an essential part of a team but is still over exaggerated. Secondly, I’ve read the article already and I stand by my statement. When you are talking about the best coaches in the world, there’s not a lot that separates them. Good on the Avs staff for looking at every potential advantage. I’m also certain they aren’t the only staff that does this. It didn’t help them last year though because they didn’t have the horses. This year could be different and what has changed? Not the coaching staff.

I think you make a valid point. It's actually been kinda proven in baseball at least that the manager doesn't matter a whole lot. I think it only really matters if the coach is really terrible. Only two times in recent memory do I recall an outright bad coach winning it all (Berube and Carlyle).

That said, it's nice when coach, management, and ownership all appear to be on the same page. When they aren't and cracks in the firmament start to show, that can, but doesn't always, lead to disaster.

 

[Avsfan1921]

I think you make a valid point. It's actually been kinda proven in baseball at least that the manager doesn't matter a whole lot. I think it only really matters if the coach is really terrible. Only two times in recent memory do I recall an outright bad coach winning it all (Berube and Carlyle).

That said, it's nice when coach, management, and ownership all appear to be on the same page. When they aren't and cracks in the firmament start to show, that can, but doesn't always, lead to disaster.

I totally agree. Bednar is my favourite coach the Avs have ever had. He has everyone on the same page, expectations are played out in a clear manner and he analyzes his opponents well. But many coaches do this, it’s much more about fit between management, coaching staff and players as to their success imo.

 

[Avs2022]

If he is so good, why he had to play so many game 7?

Variance is insane. I dont think human mind can never understand completely randomness and how many things are up to luck.

Guess which coach has a Stanley Cup and which one doesn't?

 

[henchman21]

Guess which coach has a Stanley Cup and which one doesn't?

Craig Berube has a Cup and Maurice doesn't. Berube > Maurice.


(FTR I think Bednar is a better coach than DeBoer, but DeBoer is a very, very good coach)

 

[Avs2022]

Craig Berube has a Cup and Maurice doesn't. Berube > Maurice.


(FTR I think Bednar is a better coach than DeBoer, but DeBoer is a very, very good coach)

Oh I agree. I've always respected DeBoer as a really good coach.

 

[GeoRox89]

Craig Berube has a Cup and Maurice doesn't. Berube > Maurice.


(FTR I think Bednar is a better coach than DeBoer, but DeBoer is a very, very good coach)

Nonsense, PoMo was holding the Jets back you can see this from how much more successful they’ve been without him and how terrible Florida has been since his arrival

(I do agree it was time for both parties to move on though)

 

[Vaslof]

People worried about DeBoer is like the people who worried about Bowness.

Guys, it was 3 years ago and Bednar was icing a defense featuring Ryan Graves, Patrik Nemeth, and Connor Timmins with Tyson Jost and JT Compher as 2C and 3C.

Relax. He isn't some voodoo magic Bednar kryptonite.

Holy f*** we were bad and I probably didn't even realize.

 

[NOTENOUGHRYJOTHINGS]

Holy f*** we were bad and I probably didn't even realize.

Sometimes life gives you a Lehkonen or a Mittelstadt. Sometimes its gives you a very used Lars Eller or a Sodaberg.

Just gotta enjoy the good times and when the tough times come know that they will end.

 

[niwotsblessing]

Hate me all you want, but I thought the Hatcher Stars were cool. Full of memorable players all over the lineup, epic jerseys plus logo, mean and nasty as hell. Felt like crap to drop those conference finals to them though.

Easily done. Hatcher and Ratvichuk were two of the dirtiest hockey players ever! They got away with 200 times the BS that Ryan Suter does night in and night out, they played like NFL linebackers, not NHL defensemen.

And if the useless ass refs of that era (Kerry Fraser, Bill McCreary, & Mick McGeough) had done their fvcking job, which is to enforce the rules of the game, we'd have won several Cups in a row.

 

[dahrougem2]

I didn't realize Marchment was out. That guy seems to play well vs Colorado.

Haakanpaa can't move the puck but he will throw himself blindly in front of shots to block them so I guess good and bad he is out?

 

[Bill Peckerskull]

 

[Balthazar]

Craig Berube

Jack Hughes' new coach!

 

[LazRNN]

There's part of me that would love to see the Avs slay all of their game 7 demons in this series, but not as big as the part that wants the Avs to win the series in 6 games or less.

 

[AvsMakar08]

I'm sure that will be the gameplan, but Otter is one of the best goalies in the league on screened shots. Otter's struggles are more related to slot shots than anything else. If you can get to the middle of the ice, you can beat him straight up. If you can seam pass, and get quick shots, you can beat him. If he has time to get squared up, he's very hard to beat even with screens and tips.

Hellie was also difficult to beat in all situations as they said before the playoffs started. Hellie was one of the best goalies during the regular season and Avs still managed to break him in every single game in playoffs.

 

[the_fan]

Have we lost this series yet?

 

[GeoRox89]

Have we lost this series yet?

It’s over. Pack it up. Send them home. Hand Dallas the Cup filled with my vomit to pour all over Benn’s head

(Win or lose this series - please just don’t let Dallas with Benn, Suter and Dutchy win the Cup)

 

[henchman21]

Hellie was also difficult to beat in all situations as they said before the playoffs started. Hellie was one of the best goalies during the regular season and Avs still managed to break him in every single game in playoffs.

Yeah Bucky was great… he’s always been weaker on screened shots compared to the league.

 

[JudoKoala]

One thing I thought that the Avs did exceptionally well against Winnipeg is taking away Hellebuyck's eyes and generally getting to the gritty areas of the ice. I think it was telling that Hellebuyck thought he was playing well in the series, but it was what the Avs were doing with traffic that led him to give up so many goals. Is there any reason we can't do similar against Oettinger?

Yeah, Helle was later saying he couldn't see half of the goals that went by him or something. We imposed our will in the crease very effectively.

 

[JudoKoala]

You're already a better coach than Joe Sacco.

I see Joe Sacco roast, I laugh at Joe Sacco roast. The simple pleasures of life!

 

[Go19]

I just want to see us shut down Pavelski for ONE time in my life

 

[The Kingslayer]

Have we lost this series yet?

In about 12 days yah. Solid season. Atleast Mackinnon will come away with the MVP. 1st ballot Hall of Famer now.