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quinn went from unranked on pronman's list all the way up to 18.
There seems to be a real improvement for many players in the "18-year-old season." Players like Quinn and Rossi were less than a month too young for 2019 eligibility. Players like Nick Robertson and Tomasino who were within 6 weeks of being eligible for 2020 have also seen significant improvement.
Obviously other players who are in the middle of the draft eligibility age also see impressive jumps. But I wonder if targeting some of the July-Sept. 15 birthdays makes sense. This year that would be Jack Finley, Brett Berard, and Martin Chromiak.
 
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Steklov could be a late round gem. Big Body mobile D-Man who engages very well in the Defensive Zone.
At present he's slotted in a very deep London Knight's defensive Core.
6' 4", 181 lbs, Left Shot D-Man,
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Kirill Steklov - Defense - London Knights

Steklov is an extremely raw Import defender who has some pro qualities. He's 6'4. He's mobile. The rest...well it's a work in progress. In all seriousness, Steklov does flash potential to be an impact player, especially in the defensive end. With that reach and his plus mobility, he can be a real asset in denying zone entry, and in preventing net drives. He's hard to get around. And he does a good job of getting his stick in passing lanes, especially near the crease. However, he can get a little jittery, chasing the puck, or puck watching. Being more assertive and using that size to take away space more aggressively would elevate that defensive game further. Additionally, his puck skill needs to develop. Much like Mississauga's Holm, he can get himself tangled up when trying to evade the forecheck, or trying to recover dump ins. And his forward movement with the puck can be a little rigid. Just how much offensive potential he possesses remains to be seen. This is a player that I am very curious to see develop in the second half...if he's given the chance to after London's deadline acquisition of Markus Phillips.
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Two Over-Agers who play in the OHL who could be 'diamonds in the rough.'
Both are skilled speedsters!
Brett Neumann - Center - Oshawa Generals

Neumann is an undersized, scoring center who is one of the quickest skaters in the OHL. He can flat out fly out there. His skating ability will play at the next level. Neumann is also a terrific goal scorer who seems like a lock to break the 45 goal mark for the second season in a row (on top of competing for the goal scoring title). His shot is a major asset as his release is excellent, especially while in full stride. He scores a lot in transition, be it off breakaways or odd man rushes. He also has a penchant for jumping into the slot quickly. But Neumann can score dirty too. He is a very effective forechecker with his speed and he plays a relatively fearless game, crashing the net and finding those soft spots near the crease. He's not necessarily a creative player. His game is straight forward; up and down. But it works. And I think an NHL team could take a chance on him to see how effective his speed can be at the pro level. This is especially true if he can have a little better playoff performance for the Generals this season. As teams try to take away his space a little more aggressively, can he adjust, or better yet, can he continue to blow by them?

Joseph Garreffa - Left Wing - Ottawa 67's
Speaking of good skaters, look no further than Garreffa. He's certainly quite small (5'7), but because of his elite skating ability, his lack of size does not prevent him from being an impact player in the OHL. His season got a bit of a late start this year due to the fact that Garreffa tried to crack a pro roster, but his point per game average is among the best in the league. Now fully focused on playing forward, Garreffa has found great chemistry with Marco Rossi and Austen Keating on the top line in Ottawa. As mentioned, his skating and puck control are his best assets. He is very elusive because of his ability to use his edges, or stop and start quickly, all while maintaining possession of the puck. He can be dangerous in transition, but also works the half wall well, while cycling with Rossi and Keating. While I do think an NHL contract is not extremely likely, I would be shocked if Garreffa does not earn an AHL/ECHL deal this offseason, where he can prove to NHL scouts that his lack of size will not hinder his ability to produce offensively at the next level.
Scouting Reports By: Brock Otten
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Just to add some color on why this is considered a "deep" draft worth holding onto picks for, here are the tables by CHL league of forward Goals/GP and Points/GP using McKenzie's top-64 rankings (Final 2018-19 vs. the one posted today)

OHL:
YrRKPlayerPOSHTWTG/GPP/GPLeague
2019-207Marco RossiC5'91700.762.19OHL
2019-202Quinton ByfieldC6'4 ¼2150.811.94OHL
2018-1921Arthur KaliyevRW6'21940.761.52OHL
2019-2019Jack QuinnRW6'01790.861.40OHL
2019-2040Tyson FoersterRW6'1 ¼1940.601.30OHL
2019-2023Jacob PerreaultRW5'112000.651.28OHL
2018-1920Ryan SuzukiC6'0 ¾1800.381.15OHL
2018-1922Phillip TomasinoC5'11 ¾1830.511.07OHL
2019-2062Luke EvangelistaRW5'11 ¼1720.421.02OHL
2018-1942Nicholas RobertsonLW5'8 ¾1620.501.02OHL
2019-2049Jaromir PytlikC6'2¼2010.420.97OHL
2018-1932Jamieson ReesC5'10 ¼1820.270.86OHL
2019-2037Jean-Luc FoudyRW5'11 ½1720.300.84OHL
2019-2056Antonio StrangesLW5'10 ½1720.390.80OHL
2019-2043Will CuylleLW6'2 ½2040.370.74OHL
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WHL:
YrRKPlayerPOSHTWTG/GPP/GPLeague
2018-1934Brett Leason (OA)RW6'42100.651.62WHL
2019-2024Seth JarvisC5'9 ½1740.631.54WHL
2019-2017Connor ZaryC5'11 ¾1730.701.48WHL
2018-196Dylan CozensC6'3 ¼1830.501.24WHL
2018-1936Brayden TraceyLW6'0 ½1700.551.23WHL
2018-195Kirby DachC/RW6'41980.401.18WHL
2019-2035Ozzy WiesblattRW5'9 ¾1830.401.09WHL
2018-1910Peyton KrebsC5'11 ½1830.301.06WHL
2019-2038Jake NeighboursLW5'11 ½1970.321.06WHL
2019-2031Ridly GreigC5'111600.430.98WHL
2018-1938Nolan FooteLW6'3½1950.550.95WHL
2019-2032Justin SourdifC/RW5'10 ¾1730.340.78WHL
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QMJHL:
YrRKPlayerPOSHTWTG/GPP/GPLeague
2019-201Alexis LafreniereLW6'11920.622.15QMJHL
2019-2013Dawson MercerC/RW6'01810.581.52QMJHL
2019-2028Mavrik BourqueC5'101650.591.34QMJHL
2018-1959Nathan LegareRW6'0 ¼2060.661.28QMJHL
2019-2046Vasili PonomaryovC6'01800.380.95QMJHL
2019-2016Hendrix LapierreC5'11 ½1790.110.89QMJHL
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Total:
YrRKPlayerPOSHTWTG/GPP/GPLeague
2019-207Marco RossiC5'91700.762.19OHL
2019-201Alexis LafreniereLW6'11920.622.15QMJHL
2019-202Quinton ByfieldC6'4 ¼2150.811.94OHL
2018-1934Brett Leason (OA)RW6'42100.651.62WHL
2019-2024Seth JarvisC5'9 ½1740.631.54WHL
2018-1921Arthur KaliyevRW6'21940.761.52OHL
2019-2013Dawson MercerC/RW6'01810.581.52QMJHL
2019-2017Connor ZaryC5'11 ¾1730.701.48WHL
2019-2019Jack QuinnRW6'01790.861.40OHL
2019-2028Mavrik BourqueC5'101650.591.34QMJHL
2019-2040Tyson FoersterRW6'1 ¼1940.601.30OHL
2018-1959Nathan LegareRW6'0 ¼2060.661.28QMJHL
2019-2023Jacob PerreaultRW5'112000.651.28OHL
2018-196Dylan CozensC6'3 ¼1830.501.24WHL
2018-1936Brayden TraceyLW6'0 ½1700.551.23WHL
2018-195Kirby DachC/RW6'41980.401.18WHL
2018-1920Ryan SuzukiC6'0 ¾1800.381.15OHL
2019-2035Ozzy WiesblattRW5'9 ¾1830.401.09WHL
2018-1922Phillip TomasinoC5'11 ¾1830.511.07OHL
2018-1910Peyton KrebsC5'11 ½1830.301.06WHL
2019-2038Jake NeighboursLW5'11 ½1970.321.06WHL
2019-2062Luke EvangelistaRW5'11 ¼1720.421.02OHL
2018-1942Nicholas RobertsonLW5'8 ¾1620.501.02OHL
2019-2031Ridly GreigC5'111600.430.98WHL
2019-2049Jaromir PytlikC6'2¼2010.420.97OHL
2018-1938Nolan FooteLW6'3½1950.550.95WHL
2019-2046Vasili PonomaryovC6'01800.380.95QMJHL
2019-2016Hendrix LapierreC5'11 ½1790.110.89QMJHL
2018-1932Jamieson ReesC5'10 ¼1820.270.86OHL
2019-2037Jean-Luc FoudyRW5'11 ½1720.300.84OHL
2019-2056Antonio StrangesLW5'10 ½1720.390.80OHL
2019-2032Justin SourdifC/RW5'10 ¾1730.340.78WHL
2019-2043Will CuylleLW6'2 ½2040.370.74OHL
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2019-2024Seth JarvisC5'9 ½1740.631.54WHL
2018-1921Arthur KaliyevRW6'21940.761.52OHL
2019-2013Dawson MercerC/RW6'01810.581.52QMJHL
2019-2017Connor ZaryC5'11 ¾1730.701.48WHL
2019-2019Jack QuinnRW6'01790.861.40OHL
2019-2028Mavrik BourqueC5'101650.591.34QMJHL
2019-2040Tyson FoersterRW6'1 ¼1940.601.30OHL
2018-1959Nathan LegareRW6'0 ¼2060.661.28QMJHL
2019-2023Jacob PerreaultRW5'112000.651.28OHL
2018-196Dylan CozensC6'3 ¼1830.501.24WHL
2018-1936Brayden TraceyLW6'0 ½1700.551.23WHL
2018-195Kirby DachC/RW6'41980.401.18WHL
2018-1920Ryan SuzukiC6'0 ¾1800.381.15OHL
2019-2035Ozzy WiesblattRW5'9 ¾1830.401.09WHL
2018-1922Phillip TomasinoC5'11 ¾1830.511.07OHL
2018-1910Peyton KrebsC5'11 ½1830.301.06WHL
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Just a subset to highlight for a tldr of that wall of stats. Last year Dach and Cozens at ~1.20 points per game were considered top-10 locks. Krebs, Suzuki, and Tomasino were all ranked as mid 1st rounders with ~1.10 points per game. Brayden Tracey (1.23 p/gp) was the small, skilled guy putting up too many points to let fall very far.

Contrast that to this draft where the small, skilled guy putting up too many points to let fall very far is Seth Jarvis with 1.54 p/gp. 25% higher production than Tracey. Contrast the mid-tier (Krebs, Suzuki, Tomasino) to this draft where good all-around talent Quinn, Zary, Borque, and Mercer are all ~30% more productive. It is like that all the way down the 2nd/3rd round. Canes are in a good position for another strong draft.

It's the same story comparing to the 2017-18 draft and 2016-17 draft.
 

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CHL Top 31 Prospects for 2020 Draft : The OilKnight 01/28/2020

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RANKPOSNAMELEAGUEHTWTMovement (up/down)
1LWAlexis LafreniereQMJHL6’1″192
2RDJamie DrysdaleOHL5’11”170
3CQuinton ByfieldOHL6’4″214
4CMarco RossiOHL5’9″179
5RWDawson MercerQMJHL6’0179
6RWJacob PerreaultOHL5’11”198
7LWCole PerfettiOHL5’10”185
8CJan MysakOHL6’0″176
9LWVasily PonomarevQMJHL6’0″176
10RWTyson FoersterOHL6’1194
11LDKaiden GuhleWHL6’3187
12RWTy TullioOHL5’9161
13RWJack QuinnOHL5’11176
14CSeth JarvisWHL5’10172
15LDRyan O’RourkeOHL6’2181
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CHL Top 31 Prospects for 2020 Draft : The OilKnight 01/28/2020

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16CMavrik BourqueQMJHL5’10165
17CConnor ZaryWHL6’0181
18LDLukas CormierQMJHL5’10170
19RWOzzy WiesblattWHL5’10183
20LWAntonio StrangesOHL5’10170
21CJean-Luc FoudyOHL5’11168
22RDWill VilleneuveQMJHL6’1163
23LDJeremie PoirierQMJHL6’0192
24CRidly GreigWHL5’11159
25LWJake NeighboursWHL5’11201
26RWJaromir PytlikOHL6’3196
27RDJustin BarronQMJHL6’2187
28RDBraden SchneiderWHL6’2209
29CTristen RobinsWHL5’10174
30LWWill CuylleOHL6’2201
31CHendrix Lapierre***QMJHL6’0″181
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Other notables: Martin Chromiak, Brandon Coe, James Hardie, Luke Evangelista, Ethan Cardwell, Evan Vierling, Pavel Novak, Justin Sourdif, Connor McClennon, Lukas Svejkovsky, Ryan Francis
CHL Top 31 Prospects for 2020 Draft – TheOilKnight.ca
 

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I hope Quinn is underrated despite being a goal scoring machine - like Kaliev and DeBrincat. He would be my first choice in the ~15-20 range unless someone like Lundell or Askarov falls.

It's interesting to me that this guy is getting totally ignored lately. I know he's been hurt and missed the WJC, but he's falling a bunch in every ranking. This is a guy who was in the conversation for No. 1 overall this time last year. I've followed him a bunch due to our propensity to take Finns and I never saw "No. 1 pick" talent, but it would still be exciting to have a shot at this guy. I think he could step in as a rookie and be a better player than Jordan Staal.

Here’s a quick video from a couple months ago.



I didn't see Rossi anywhere in those clips.
 

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It's interesting to me that this guy is getting totally ignored lately. I know he's been hurt and missed the WJC, but he's falling a bunch in every ranking. This is a guy who was in the conversation for No. 1 overall this time last year. I've followed him a bunch due to our propensity to take Finns and I never saw "No. 1 pick" talent, but it would still be exciting to have a shot at this guy. I think he could step in as a rookie and be a better player than Jordan Staal.



I didn't see Rossi anywhere in those clips.
I've been thinking the exact same thing. I don't think he's a top 10 guy anymore, but I think he could be right in the wheelhouse of one or both of our picks, and I'd be thrilled with it.
 
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lol...............Ridly is a unique first name. Did they forget the 'e.' ;)
He's not a big kid but is scoring @ a 1pt/gm pace for the Brandon Wheat Kings.
His Dad Mark Greig had extensive 17 year Pro Hockey career including around 125 NHL games.
He's been a scout for the Philadelphia Flyers for the past 10 years or so. This a hockey family through and through!
Mark Greig at eliteprospects.com
 
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I think he could step in as a rookie and be a better player than Jordan Staal.
Hyperbole I hope. Given face-offs and penalty killing I don't think there is a reasonable argument that Svech was better last season than Staal—pretty equal value-wise, but not a "better player."
 
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Jan Mysak is mid/late 1st ranked prospect who came over from the Czech pro league to the OHL after the WJC. With a hat trick in the 1st period of his game today Mysak is up to 7 goals + 2 assist in 7 games. Another high end scorer for Canes to consider.
 
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Hyperbole I hope. Given face-offs and penalty killing I don't think there is a reasonable argument that Svech was better last season than Staal—pretty equal value-wise, but not a "better player."

Not hyperbole. I don't know what you know about Lundell, but he profiles as exactly that. And quickly. If he was a month older, he'd be somebody's No. 3 center right now.

Will Scouch - Scouching.ca - Nov. 19th: "Anton Lundell might not have a massive ceiling, but he could be a fantastic two-way centre who may not get fans out of their seats often, but he could be a person hockey nerds and coaches alike love."

Ryan Kennedy - The Hockey News - Nov. 10th: "Big pivot already has a WJC gold. Lundell can handle playing top competition and possesses excellent hockey sense."

Jokke Nevalainen -Dobber Prospects - Nov. 4th: "He’s a true team player with great effort level on the ice. He is a playmaker who can control the pace of the game but he also owns a dangerous wrist shot. Skating is his one weakness but even that has been getting better."

Tony Ferrari -Wings Nation - Nov. 4th: "Lundell’s shot is electric. He has a quick release and can get it off effortlessly in stride. He has great hands in tight and excels in the cycle game. His defensive play is what bumps him into the upper tiers of this draft class, however."
 

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Not hyperbole. I don't know what you know about Lundell, but he profiles as exactly that. And quickly. If he was a month older, he'd be somebody's No. 3 center right now.
I like Lundell and think it would be a gift if he fell to Carolina.

But would you say he is a better prospect than Hughes or Kaako? Because neither of those players is better than Staal the season—nor is Kotkaniemi from the previous draft. As much as Staal frustrates, he is still a solid NHLer. That is true of very few rookies. Again, I like Lundell. The hyperbole is thinking a pick outside the top 5 would be that good next season (or that Staal will be that bad).
 

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I like Lundell and think it would be a gift if he fell to Carolina.

But would you say he is a better prospect than Hughes or Kaako? Because neither of those players is better than Staal the season—nor is Kotkaniemi from the previous draft. As much as Staal frustrates, he is still a solid NHLer. That is true of very few rookies. Again, I like Lundell. The hyperbole is thinking a pick outside the top 5 would be that good next season (or that Staal will be that bad).

I'm not saying he's a better prospect than anybody. I'm saying that he's NHL-ready with a skill set very similar to the current version of Jordan Staal, except with more skill. Comparing Lundell to Hughes, Kaako and Kotkaniemi shows me that you're missing the point. Totally different kinds of players. IMO, Lundell's ceiling is a No. 2 center in the NHL and his floor is a No. 2 center in the NHL. I'm not advocating for him because he's a good prospect. I'd advocating for him because he's really, really good right now. Granted, he probably won't get a lot better, but he's good enough right now to improve just about any team in the NHL.
 
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I don't think I am. Very few picks outside the top 3 make a difference in their first year. I agree that Lundell will likely be that good by his second, third, or fourth year.

You miss the point because you are trying to compare a guy who is very developed in his draft year to guys who were high picks because their ceilings are high.

Lundell is more like a Barkov-lite. He's already playing very well in a pro league, among the top in CF% at 18 years old.
 

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Luke Evangelista is moving up the 2020 NHL Draft.
He plays Right Wing with Connor McDavid and Liam Foudy.
Evangelista is over 1pt/game while playing very little PP time for the Knights.

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Born Feb 21 2002 -- Oakville, ONT
Height 5.11 -- Weight 165 (180 cm/75 kg)

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Luke Evangelista is moving up the 2020 NHL Draft.
He plays Right Wing with Connor McDavid and Liam Foudy.
Evangelista is over 1pt/game while playing very little PP time for the Knights.

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Born Feb 21 2002 -- Oakville, ONT
Height 5.11 -- Weight 165 (180 cm/75 kg)

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Connor McDavid is playing for the London Knights? I bet he's killing it back in juniors.
 

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But I wonder if targeting some of the July-Sept. 15 birthdays makes sense. This year that would be Jack Finley, Brett Berard, and Martin Chromiak.

Since posting this I have realized that age is a fascinating variable. I haven't done an in-depth analysis of 10 years of draft data or anything remotely similar, but I do think there is sufficient evidence that younger (July 15 Sept 15) players are underrated. Nick Robertson being the prime example. Conversely, some players who have birthdays just after the cutoff (Sept 15-Nov 15) really seem to move up the draft rankings. Jack Quinn and Marco Rossi being examples.

In any event, I have been toying around with a venn diagram model that uses skating/compete level/IQ as the circles then factors in production, size, and age. One of the other HFB regulars has posted rankings based on his software, mine is nowhere as thorough, but I think it does identify some high-value prospects. Using this method has resulted in some changes from earlier.

Several separate posts will follow with my takes on the best prospects likely available when the Canes draft in the 2nd-4th rounds.
 
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The skating/compete/IQ scouting is mostly from HockeyProspect.com and a little from the few posters on HFB who seem objective. I will mention which qualities are considered above-average for each prospect.


2nd
(NYR pick):
I really like Martin Chromiak here as this pick will be around 40 which is around his rating on most lists. Chromiak (skating and IQ) came to the OHL after half a season against men in Sloviak. He is productive (1.29 ppg) playing with Shane Wright. Given his August birthday, I think he has potential to see a big jump in scoring once he turns 18 next season, like Jack Quinn (who would be a terrific first round pick for the Canes) has this season.

The other options that could be available here are: Ridly Greig (skating, compete, and IQ), Seth Jarvis (skating and IQ) or John-Jason Peterka (skating and compete).

2nd:
Starting to seem some confirmation of my PSF model for defense prospects. Here is what Steve K thinks about Joni Jurmo 2020 Draft: Top Prospects (Finland) - The Draft Analyst Jurmo (skating and compete) is considered one of the quickest skaters available.

Even with my ongoing excitement about Jurmo, he might be my second choice with this pick. I think Brett Berard (IQ, skating, compete) is this draft's Nick Robertson. They both have September birthdays and are 5'9". Berard like Robertson is a non-stop competitor. If anything, Berard has an edge in skating.

Ideally the Canes could get one of Jurmo or Berard in the 2nd and the other with Buffalo's 3rd.

I would argue that unless both these players are gone, there are no equal options with this pick.
 

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