Was There an NHL Player Who Would Qualify as a Hippie?

Killion

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I always felt athletes typically took some ideas from that counter-culture..like individualism, resistance vs traditional structures and values..sexual liberation, 'easy-going' mentality and the drug culture etc. and then twisted them in an entirely self-serving way...

Bingo. Sort of like DeadHeads in their split window VW Vans only since the 70's & certainly today... the hockey players driving an Aston Martin Vulcan, Tesla Roadster or whatever to the concert.... rather than plaid flannel shirts, or a tie-died t-shirt & jeans, draped in Versace, Armani.... doesnt camp out with unwashed Reincarnate navel & star gazers... stay at the nearest 5 Star.... but spiritually, culturally, much in common with the still active let your freak fly pilots of yesterday & today. Hippies generally are total minimalists, non-materialistic, and there have been players who retired to just such a life though generally not of their own choosing. Broke. And many left the game that way back in the day.
 
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I can’t think of a hockey player who quite makes the cut, but the late Peter Gent, former Dallas Cowboys wide receiver and author of some excellent fiction (North Dallas 40, The Franchise) was a total counter-culture devote. I was genuinely sad when he died close to a decade ago.
 

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No Dave Meggyesy -NFL types in the NHL. Pierre Larouche was basically self-absorbed. As were a few others referenced to date. Steve Durbano had a text book of issues, Al Iafrate was unique.
 

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^^^This reflects my overall impression of the replies so far. Seems to me that a true hippie would lack the will & the discipline - and probably the physical prowess - to ever make an NHL roster in the late 1960s & early 1970s, much less be able to last in the League.

But if all you're making judgments by is physical appearance, look no further than the SJ Sharks' Brent Burns ...

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That's a red neck, not a hippie.

Red necks is what kicks hippies asses.
 

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Bill Flett, Blaine Stoughton, Rick Dudley, Jim Schoenfeld.

Dudley and Schoenfeld even put out music. (As did Jim Lorentz, but the perm he had precludes him being cool...)

As mentioned earlier: Gilles Gratton.
-First WHA/NHL player to streak. Put on his mask and skates, and that was all, and went for a skate.
-Believed he was a reincarnated soldier who had been stabbed in the abdomen; thus explaining Gilles occasional stomach pains.

Grattooney The Looney!!

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Oh God ya. Thats my era as a player coming up, growing up. You were living a life as a bit of societal outlier in pursuing a very narrowly focused career path, chasing a dream much like a musician, writer or poet, outside the norm, gifted. Going back even earlier some serious eccentrics, guys, colorful characters with much in common with the Beatnick Generation of Jack Kerouac. Guys like Cowboy Howie Young. Polar opposites to the ultra conservative beyond polite graduates of St. Mikes or wherever who wouldnt say **** if their mouths were full of it. Total Hockey Nomads. Many who's lives spiraled out of control & wound up way off-road. Careers derailed. Dead prematurely by misadventure, substance abuse, murder.

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These werent happy-slappy peace love & understanding pacifist "Hippies", a movement that was short lived peaking in the summer of 67 in San Francisco, dying hard in the summer of 69 with the Manson Family Murders in LA... but many did live alternative lifestyles while playing & after. Some famously as mentioned above. Gilles Gratton. Believed in Reincarnation & claimed to have memories of multiple past lives. Ran off to an Ashram in India, became a professional photographer (think Dennis Hopper in Apocalypse Now)... A tonne of them. Anti-establishment. Railed against the authoritarian nature of the game & business. The Man. The Machine. Quit... yours truly included. :laugh:

Having mentioned Howie Young, I thought I'd chime in by mentioning the first guy I thought of when I saw the thread title: Gary "The Cobra" Simmons. He was not a "peace, love & understanding pacifist 'hippie'" in that sense of the word, but was very much a man who lived life by the beat of his own drum. He absolutely did not believe in the professional hockey 'system'. Born in Charlottetown, PEI but grew up in Lethbridge, Alberta; played his junior hockey for the Oil Kings (in the years between their Memorial Cup victories in '63 and '66, unfortunately for him; he was hurt in the '65 Memorial Cup they lost to the Niagara Falls Flyers backstopped by a goalie by the name of Parent), but the Oil Kings weren't a sponsored junior team (having played in the senior men's league in Alberta rather than the AJHL) and he refused to sign away his hockey life to a 'C' Form with an NHL-affiliated club. In '65, having reached the end of his junior eligibility, he signed a contract in the IHL (then an independent league).

By the end of that first year of pro he was ready to hang 'em up, and was hired as a cop back in Lethbridge. But on his first day, before he'd sworn his oath as a police officer, he got a call from a fella from Conception Bay, Newfoundland who said they'd pay him to come play senior hockey for the CeeBees. He didn't want to go to The Rock so told the guy "Double it." Sure enough he did, and told Simmons to get on the next plane.

He played there for three years! Playing in such obscurity damaged his marketability, and seeking to crack the pros for good he went back to Alberta in '69 and played a year in the ASHL for the Stampeders, winning the provincial championship. He then played with the San Diego Gulls of the WHL for a year (backing up former US Olympian Jack McCartan), went back to Calgary for another year, and finally settled into a full-time pro hockey career at age 28 playing with the WHL's Phoenix Roadrunners. Splitting duties with Don Caley in his first year and the undeniable starter in his second, the Roadrunners won back-to-back championships in '73 and '74.

It was there that he met Howie Young, by then a 35-year-old NHL castoff. Howie got some of his Navajo buddies to paint The Cobra's mask with what were supposedly good luck charm markings. He introduced him to their jewellery, after which The Cobra (as he was nicknamed by a member of the press in Phoenix) would always be seen wearing one turquoise piece or another.

The Cobra got a call from his agent about an NHL opportunity in '74, while the Roadrunners were on a road trip in Salt Lake City. His agent was a little cagey about just who it was who made the contract offer; Simmons put two-and-two together and figured it was the team that was affiliated with the WHL's Salt Lake Golden Eagles: the California Golden Seals. He refused to sign the contract offer, made mid-season, and waited until after the playoffs had concluded. Having won a second straight championship and with the Roadrunners about to turn "Major League" by joining the WHA, he had the Seals' GM Garry Young up the ante to get him to sign. With the money settled there was one final hurdle: The Cobra insisted he had a clause in his contract that exempted him from having to wear a tie.

Gary Simmons made his NHL debut on October 11, 1974 at age 30, playing for the team that finished dead last the year before with a mere 36 points. In the previous four seasons they'd had a combined record of 70-193-49; a scant 0.303 winning percentage.

They won that game 3-0.

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It was the first of only 10 wins that season for Simmons (out of 19 for the team overall), and the team finished third-last ahead of only the first-year expansion Capitals and Scouts. They turned it around the next year though finishing seven points out of a playoff spot, the closest they'd come to playoffs since 1970. In his time in the Bay Area he'd become renowned for being a 'flake': he chainsmoked, he hawked pieces of that Native American jewellery of his to players on the opposing teams, he had tattoos up and down his body. Just look at him:

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Cowboy hat & boots (and two extra pairs of boots with him, just in case), Texas tuxedo, a sliver of one of his many tattoos at his right cuff, Navajo turquoise jewellery, cigarette hanging loosely from his mouth and wearing his Wayfarers inside. He won a fair bit of money off of the tattoo of a rooster in a noose on his lower leg: he'd bet the other players he had a cock hanging past his knee.

The Cobra was not happy when he learned the Seals were moving east to the hinterlands of Richfield, Ohio in 1976. Fellow goalie Gilles Meloche demanded a trade from the moribund Cleveland Barons, but it was Simmons who was traded in January of '77 back to the west coast. He played only 19 games for the Kings in relief of Hall-of-Famer Rogie Vachon over the '76-'77 and '77-'78 seasons. After he was sent to the Kings' AHL affiliate in the autumn of '78 for a five-game conditioning stint Kings GM George Maguire informed him it wasn't really a conditioning stint at all: he could play out his contract in Springfield (with fellow veteran castoff Pete Stemkowski) or he wouldn't play at all. He hung 'em up. (Stemkowski lasted another 19 games before doing the same.) He made more money co-owning a pizza joint in San Francisco with former Seals PR guy Len Shapiro.

The Cobra retired to Lake Havasu City, Arizona with his wife Whysperss, where they sold lingerie and adult toys out of their shop.
 

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The Cobra retired to Lake Havasu City, Arizona with his wife Whysperss, where they sold lingerie and adult toys out of their shop.

.... :laugh: well written Hoser. Life & Times of Gary Simmons. Definitely another one who you'd classify as an "Outsider". Doesnt surprise me in the least he'd have retired to the Lake Havasu area, returning to Arizona. Eclectic group of players on the old Roadrunners pre WHA & into their brief existence in that league as well, a lot of carryovers.
 
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ITT: A lot of posts by people who have no idea what hippies actually were.
 

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ITT: A lot of posts by people who have no idea what hippies actually were.

Well I'm not seeing them, reading them. Theres a lot of ambiguity & blending of the lifestyle & attitudes, various philosophies, approaches to life & human interactions & so on espoused by that movement that blended through all levels & tiers of society, still does in fact. All kinds of players embraced parts of the "Hippy Attitude" & perspective, lifestyle & beliefs equally shared. Outsiders.

Angry Young Men in some cases who just naturally gravitated towards it, an alternative lifestyle. Take the tragic case of Brian Spencer. Lived in a trailer on the edges of a swamp in Florida, back to nature, non materialist; built himself a massive Hippy Truck Swamp Buggy.... feeds his head, gets into the music, booze, drugs, total Runaway just as so many of the kids of his Generation were & then mis-labeled to some extent as "Hippies".... Ha?....

There is no such thing as a "Total Hippy". Misnomer. Survivalists ya. People who go completely off-grid. Wander off into the bush somewhere, land squatters, set up "communes" or in extreme cases loners, building shacks, going "wild", raw, insane. Paranoid. Schizophrenic. Saw plenty of that. Scary as Hell. When I lived in Whistler back in the day & on travels elsewhere, US, parts of Europe. You'd see these people emerging from the forest like Ghosts, Specters. Filthy, rail thin, hollow eyed, empty... very likely totally psychotic. So much for the label "Hippy" or"Hippy Lifestyle". Insanity is what that is.
 
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The first names that came to mind are Andrew Ference, Henry Boucha and Scott Neidermayer.
 

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Yeah Gilles Gratton is the one closest that I can think of. There are many bohemians, but not quite hippies.

Here is something that I have posted before (somewhere)
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"My ambition is to never work. That´s what hockey gives me. I´ll play until I stack up enough money to float for the rest of my life. Then I´m gone, man, gone. I´m specialist of nowhere - have no and want no responsibility. Hockey gives me free time and lots of money, but I hate it. I like to win, I admit that, but I hate the pain and I hate the stupidity. The last two years I´ve felt like I should just say to hell with it and go back home to Montreal. Sometimes I think ´Why am I in this rink getting pucks thrown at me when I could be home enjoying life?´ And I can´t answer the question, you know?"
 
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For a hippie...Derek sure beat a lot of people up...

... unhuh... so did John Lennon, one of the leading lights in the movement, peace-love & understanding.... use to hangout in a Gay pickup park in Hamburg trolling, beating up & robbing guys looking for a good time because... A) needed the money initially but also... B) just for jollies. Liverpool tough guy, a Hood, Greaser.... Once again people, there was no genuine true to the bone "Hippy" however the OP was/is being entirely genuine, real, not mistaken in using that term to ask for examples in looking for an entertaining storyline in seeking "outsiders"....

Anyone who has made a living as a professional athlete, in the arts, an entertainer of anykind... outside of the norms of traditional societal constructs knows of (if not himself or herself) of such individuals and yes, they do fit the mold one & all. These are lives lived outside of the box and yes, I'd be one of them. But do not, ever... be calling me a "Hippy". Ask the people of San Francisco about Hippies. Haight-Asnbury had nothing to do with Hippies. Merely a term coined to explain criminality, a phenomena of youth that lives to this day, misplaced values amongst a very very few... To suggest such did not exist within the realms of hockey? Excuse me? So @Troubadour dead bang on in classifying, using that term.... Carry on.
 

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[John Lennon] use(d) to hangout in a Gay pickup park in Hamburg trolling, beating up & robbing guys looking for a good time because... A) needed the money initially but also... B) just for jollies.
This is completely false. Lennon explained that he and Pete Best once had a plan to jump a drunken sailor and shake him down for his money, but that they chickened out in the end and never did it.

Beyond that, he did not hang out in a "gay pickup park" and troll, unless you're reading Albert Goldman and foolishly believing it.

(Having said that, Lennon did beat up another musician once at McCartney's 21st birthday, and he did hit his 1st wife, Cynthia, a few times -- to his credit, he fully admitted it and reformed his ways later on.)
Liverpool tough guy, a Hood, Greaser....
Not really. By his own (and George Harrison's) admission, Lennon was more of a fake 'Teddy boy' (i.e. British greaser). He talked the talk, but didn't walk the walk. There were plenty of tough and rough gangs around the young Beatles in Liverpool, but Lennon was not the type. He was basically a middle-class bookworm, as evidenced by his later life in The Dakota.
 
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Take the tragic case of Brian Spencer. Lived in a trailer on the edges of a swamp in Florida, back to nature, non materialist; built himself a massive Hippy Truck Swamp Buggy.... feeds his head, gets into the music, booze, drugs, total Runaway just as so many of the kids of his Generation were & then mis-labeled to some extent as "Hippies".... Ha?....

Brian Spencer was just as crazy as he was a Hippe. I met him at a school function in Buffalo. (Still have the autograph somewhere). He talked about commitment to the sport, and how he had a twin brother, Byron, who wouldn't commit to hockey, and never made it.

Brian's dad was crazy too. A British Columbia television station carrying HNIC cut away from a one sided Leafs game, in which Brian was playing , to another game. Enraged, the senior Spencer went down to the station with a gun, and demanded they put The Leafs game back on. A violent end to his life when it ended up in a shootout with Police. As Bernie Taupin wrote; "I guess the Cops won again; and it's all over...."

Brian was selling drugs down in Florida when he was threatened by another dealer who was armed. Brian got off the shot first, and killed the other man. After a trial, Brian was acquitted of murder.

Upon his release, Brian went back to the exact same spot, and resumed the same activities as before. Three months later, during a robbery following a crack cocaine purchase, in Riviera Florida, he was fatally shot.

Followed his father's unfortunate foot steps....

"We're running short of heroes, up here in the hills...."
 
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This is completely false. Lennon explained that he and Pete Best once had a plan to jump a drunken sailor and shake him down for his money, but that they chickened out in the end and never did it.

Beyond that, he did not hang out in a "gay pickup park" and troll, unless you're reading Albert Goldman and foolishly believing it.

(Having said that, Lennon did beat up another musician once at McCartney's 21st birthday, and he did hit his 1st wife, Cynthia, a few times -- to his credit, he fully admitted it and reformed his ways later on.)

Yes, and on top of that he didn't become a "leading light of the movement" before immersing himself in a sea of LSD. Which of course was several years after the Hamburg gigs.
 

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