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Are powerplay goals worth less or am I missing the sarcasm?Power play goals dont win hockey games.
Being a boat anchor with the wingspan of a 747 wins hockey games.
Are powerplay goals worth less or am I missing the sarcasm?Power play goals dont win hockey games.
Being a boat anchor with the wingspan of a 747 wins hockey games.
The Flames flat out won the trade. Lucic is literally ahead of Neal in 5-on-5 primary scoring in fewer minutes and he's a far better all-around player.
That was an all-around give-away by your buddy on the Kings 4th goal tonight.
Calgary has been getting owned by LA ever since tkachuk started his feud with Doughty. For so many shames fans that claimed his antics contribute to wins, that certainly doesn't seem to be the case against a bottom feeder like the kings.
Which only confirms the point I'm making.
As I'm sure you are aware, a lot of players can't just randomly get thrown to a line every once in a blue moon and perform.
A lot of players need chemistry which is built from consistent line mates that have talent.
Matthew's more focused on trying to score between his legs every night instead of trying to pick up W's.
When Lucic is on the ice with 30 seconds left and you need to score, there is something seriously wrong with your team.Lucic the "fan favorite" also with a fat -2 and zero points on the night.
I thought he was finally breaking out in calgary?
Treliving should have been fired a long time ago. But I don't want Neal back either. Lose lose trade.Flames fans still trying to justify this trade. Cute.
Lindholm did not. And you're referring to a guy who, this year, was red hot from day 1 and has gotten less reliable throughout the year.
The argument is essentially that it would have been worth-while for the Flames to put up with their first line getting absolutely steamrolled for a while in hopes that at some point, Neal started playing better hockey. And then, if they stuck it out long enough, he might eventually get hot and help them with some goals. Maybe even 20. It's certainly a choice they could have made. I think it would've been the choice made by a GM with a bigger ego than Treliving who wants to save face. As a fan, I'm glad they prioritized winning over James Neal's stats and didn't get caught up in sunk cost.
They ended up putting Neal on the line where he did show some chemistry. Apparently he wasn't happy about it, and he didn't really get any more effective over the course of the year, on that line, or on the Gaudreau line where he played a shift after every PP.
Lol...this guy cracks me up....has he even seen Lucic play?...or he spreadsheeting again?
What? Not sure how you got to that conclusion from what I said. Are you trying to suggest that sewering the team to attempt to defend your own bad signing would have been a gutsy and smart move by the GM? That's an odd take.Lindholm is by a landslide better then both players so that comparison is irrelevant.
So the excuse now being made is that treliving made a bad trade because he doesn't have any balls and caved to fan pressure? At the end of the day what did that accomplish? Winning one game and a first round playoff exit? I see that paid off masterfully...
The majority of Neals minutes were by no contest primarily buried on the third line. The 20 seconds he would play with little johnny after the power player are completely meaningless.
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His contract structure is buyout proof and he had that NMC that was going to kills us during expansion. Neal could have scored 1 goal this season and the trade would be a win
Got the worst player and are further back in the standings. Yeah, they totally won that trade.
His contract structure is buyout proof and he had that NMC that was going to kills us during expansion. Neal could have scored 1 goal this season and the trade would be a win
I’ve already explained in previous posts why that is a weak argument.
If you buy out your player, how does that make you win the trade?
If Neal is a rusty Porsche and Lucic is an abused pickup truck, it's easier for the Flames to drive a crap product to the ice with fewer trips, with the abused pickup truck than the rusty Porsche.
The biggest factor is the damn NMC. If that had been voided after the trade, this be the reaction hands down:
But since the NMC was not voided, until the expansion draft is over, from an outsiders perspective (ie: Fans), Flames lose this trade handily due to the contract stand point. That being said, it did seem like there was a hint that Lucic had informally agreed to waive his NMC for Seattle when the trade happened.
That being said, I will defend my fellow Flames fans comments in regards to the concept that contracts aside, Lucic is doing significantly more to make the Flames on ice product bearable than we would have expected from Neal.
It is more so you can get out of a contract. Two GM's made mistakes in signing these guys to bad contracts. Edmonton got the better goal scorer, Calgary got the big nasty guy that does not play big nasty all the time. Both contracts were bad at the time and got worse with age. The win comes in the fact that one GM can get out of one of these contracts now and the other has no benefit.
One wins because they can get out of the contract and not cost the team too much.