Was Morgan Rielly jobbed out of 2019 Norris nomination?

[YakDavid]

I'd probably have went:

1) Gio
2) Burns
3/4) Carlson or Rielly
5) Hedman

Carlson and Rielly had the same points/gp, with great teams around them. Rielly scored more goals, Carlson probably a bit better defensively, and plays 2 mins more a night (doubles Riellys PK time too)

I agree on Carlson to this. Extra pk and minutes would tip it if I was voting. Probably have Rielly 4th. Seems like a odd reaction in that he was snubbed. Could he have been there? yes. Was it a lock? No. Could other players have the same arguement too.

 

[Byron Bitz]

He should have been a finalist over Hedman. I’m not sure why he wasn’t, how many dmen have scored 20 goals in the last 10 years?

 

[Oddbob]

Not sure if he was jobbed per se, but I do think he should have gotten the nod over Hedman this year. I think Hedman is getting a nomination on reputation this year. He had a very good year, but there are a number of blueliners that played better than he did.

 

[psycat]

No. That said Hedman shouldn't have been there this year either.

 

[Juicy Pop]

Jobbed?

No, he actually played very well this year.

 

[Nizdizzle]

Personally, I don't think it matters since he wasn't going to beat out Gio for the award this year. I definitely think he should have been in the #3 slot over Hedman based on this year alone. Such is life.

 

[Dekes For Days]

I like how Hedman's list of accomplishments for this season are a multi-season stat and the fact that he won last year.

What a joke this award is.

 

[Hockey Stick]

The spittin chicklets guys nailed the debate on this award, a guy like Burns shouldn't be a Norris candidate. This award is made for guys like Giordano and Rielly. Absolutely snubbed the guy

 

[garyturner3]

I thought he deserved that last spot over Hedman for sure, but it's not the end of the world because obviously Hedman had a great year too.

 

[Pi]

Yes, these are the players in the last ~20 years who have 20+ goals and 50+ assists:

Karlsson, Lidstrom, Leetch and Rielly.

Not to mention that Rielly plays with a complete pylon in Hainsey compared to the other players. I don't understand how Burns is nominated.

 

[MXD]

He probably finished 4th.
...And frankly, I hope 2nd, 3rd and 4th are as far away from Giordano as possible.

 

[lomiller1]

Rielly is a PP specialist who’s weak defensively and while he’s good offensively at 5v5 once you get past the ridiculous and unsustainable shooting % he’s well behind the elite NHL D-men offensively. He’s not a player that should be in the Norris conversation.

 

[TheGoldenJet]

When a dman is their teams' top point producer by 9 points, goes over ppg and has 38 points more than the next defenseman on the team, while also being tied for 21st in the whole NHL for points, than that is insanely impressive.

The last time a dman was over ppg was Mike Green 10 years ago, and Karlsson was exactly ppg 3 seasons ago. Aside from that you had Lidstrom in 2005 being ppg, and absolutely nobody else since Leetch in 1995.

If that's not impressive and worthy of at least a Norris nomination, I don't know what is.

Zubov in 1996 went over a PPG (and was surprisingly good defensively at the same time).

 

[Shaman464]

Carlo Colaiacovo at least brought up how he lead all defenseman in 20 goals and is not even a finalist.

Because the Norris is for the best defenseman, not the best goal scoring or offensive d-man.

 

[Shaman464]

Not sure if he was jobbed per se, but I do think he should have gotten the nod over Hedman this year. I think Hedman is getting a nomination on reputation this year. He had a very good year, but there are a number of blueliners that played better than he did.

It could be one player ran away with first place votes, and there are a glut of guys (based on points based rankings they use) that all have around the same score.

 

[Novak Djokovic]

Reilly definitely deserved it (aka more comulative points) over Hedman, no doubt. But at the end of the day, Giordano is winning it.

 

[majormajor]

Let's hear from other players, except without the bias factor.

Ah yes, the players, the ones who don't get paid to follow hockey for a living. Mark Scheifele is considered a hockey nut for following the league, and he knows the league about as well as your average league-wide reporter. Many players, if asked to list the best players in the league, will name guys who haven't even been near the top in years. They don't follow the league as closely as you might think, and the Hedman nod is good evidence of that. Tampa fans would have picked McDonagh.

 

[majormajor]

Neither Rielly or Hedman belonged anywhere near this. I would have sooner had Carlson or McDonagh.

I said it multiple times throughout the season, that whether their logic is flawed or not, the tendencies of the voters must be taken in to consideration and they don’t award this trophy to guys playing under 23 mins a game. They never have for as long as I can remember.

Rielly played about 23 minutes, I think 30 seconds or so more than Hedman did per game. Hedman was splitting time with McDonagh.

Carlo Colaiacovo at least brought up how he lead all defenseman in 20 goals and is not even a finalist.

I don't think you get a Norris nod just for that. To pass a guy who is a better defender you'd need 10+ more goals than the guy.

At even strength reilly also had 40 points while hedman had 21.

Rielly had like 50 ES points. McDonagh had 40 and defended better than either. Giordano about 50 and he was also ahead in defensive ability, not much debate there.

 

[majormajor]

Rielly is a PP specialist who’s weak defensively and while he’s good offensively at 5v5 once you get past the ridiculous and unsustainable shooting % he’s well behind the elite NHL D-men offensively. He’s not a player that should be in the Norris conversation.

Rielly led all D-men in ES points. You can say he was lucky and that he won't do it again, but he did it, those pucks went into the net.

 

[PatriceBergeronFan]

Nazem Kadri said on Twitter that Rielly got snubbed not being a finalist for the Norris.

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Surprising. A teammate gives a teammate his support.

 

[PatriceBergeronFan]

Yes, these are the players in the last ~20 years who have 20+ goals and 50+ assists:

Karlsson, Lidstrom, Leetch and Rielly.

Not to mention that Rielly plays with a complete pylon in Hainsey compared to the other players. I don't understand how Burns is nominated.

To be fair, offense is rising rapidly for star players.

I believe Chara won his Norris playing with Aaron Ward.

 

[majormajor]

Yes, these are the players in the last ~20 years who have 20+ goals and 50+ assists:

Karlsson, Lidstrom, Leetch and Rielly.

Not to mention that Rielly plays with a complete pylon in Hainsey compared to the other players. I don't understand how Burns is nominated.

Mike Green had 30 goals and 76 points, then something like 20 and almost 50 assists. He obviously isn't in the Lidstrom and Leetch category. Rielly is better defensively than Green, but he's not that good either.

The spittin chicklets guys nailed the debate on this award, a guy like Burns shouldn't be a Norris candidate. This award is made for guys like Giordano and Rielly. Absolutely snubbed the guy

Oh yes, "guys like Giordano and Rielly". Funny that you demerit scoring, but scoring is actually the main point of resemblance between those two players.

 

[SotasicA]

Hedman deserves to be in the top 3 ahead of Burns and Reilly. I don't like these one-dimensional strikers who just play the d-position getting ranked ahead of d-men who can actually play defense.

I'm totally on board with having McDonagh in the top 3, as well.

 

[WTFMAN99]

I expect Giordano will win it but in terms of getting a nomination? Yea, Rielly got robbed.

 

[Hockey Stick]

Mike Green had 30 goals and 76 points, then something like 20 and almost 50 assists. He obviously isn't in the Lidstrom and Leetch category. Rielly is better defensively than Green, but he's not that good either.



Oh yes, "guys like Giordano and Rielly". Funny that you demerit scoring, but scoring is actually the main point of resemblance between those two players.

Lol that's good that you got offended like that... 'guys like Giordano and Rielly' refers to guys that are great offensively AND defensively. There was no demerit given towards scoring in any way, shape or form. Thanks for the reply though