Post-Game Talk (GBU): Want To Buy 2nd and 3rd line

[Jim Carr's Rug]

Also please stop pretending Mittelstadt is some saviour who just needs help. He's not a good player right now. 4th liner if that.

I don't understand why he didn't start in Rochester. He has not adjusted to limited time and space and often gets out-muscled.

 

[Buf fan in Nash]

Yeah how dare we call them out for not showing up for 40 minutes

So much fun

The first two periods were way closer than you're indicating despite the score. Shots and scoring chances were nearly even just couldn't quite finish on some prime opportunities. Anderson had an excellent game and was tough to beat.

How often do we get 50 shots in friggin game? "Not showing up" is a gross exaggeration and another hilarious hot take.

 

[Weaves]

There's really only a few people. No one in the hockey media, scouting circles, or analytics community views Eichel in a negative light (not even remotely)

Benefits of HF Sabres

 

[1point21Gigawatts]

Also please stop pretending Mittelstadt is some saviour who just needs help. He's not a good player right now. 4th liner if that.

i agree that he is no savior, but he is better than a 4th liner. He is a young kid learning to adjust his game to the NHL level. I thought he and Reinhart had a few decent shifts with each other, until Sheary would kill the play.
I think Housley is doing a good job of sheltering Mitts minutes, but also giving him a good look on the PP. Even last night, i thought Mittlestadt should have been out in the Final minute of the EN.

 

[SnuggaRUDE]

Berglund is a positive CORSI player while starting only 21% OZ. Reinhart is negative while starting 63%. These are still very small sample sizes, but it's not good.

I wonder if he got hurt after scoring that goal late.

 

[CrazyPsycho]

The first two periods were way closer than you're indicating despite the score. Shots and scoring chances were nearly even just couldn't quite finish on some prime opportunities. Anderson had an excellent game and was tough to beat.

How often do we get 50 shots in friggin game? "Not showing up" is a gross exaggeration and another hilarious hot take.

Sorry

50 shots

THEY PLAYED f***IN GREAT

Plan the parade

Risto for MVP

 

[SnuggaRUDE]

Sorry

50 shots

THEY PLAYED ****IN GREAT

Plan the parade

Risto for MVP

Maybe the truth is somewhere between those poles?

 

[Aladyyn]

Berglund is a positive CORSI player while starting only 21% OZ. Reinhart is negative while starting 63%. These are still very small sample sizes, but it's not good.

I wonder if he got hurt after scoring that goal late.

Funny how it swaps when you use expected goals instead of corsi.

 

[struckbyaparkedcar]

Berglund is a positive CORSI player while starting only 21% OZ. Reinhart is negative while starting 63%. These are still very small sample sizes, but it's not good.

I wonder if he got hurt after scoring that goal late.

This is a good example of while RelT stats are valuable. Reinhart’s linemates are unplayable without him, and become low-event breakeven players with him.

It’d be cool if we tried to play Sam with players who aren’t complete f***ing garbage, but that would involve the front office admitting they botched the O’Reilly trade.

 

[Montag DP]

Funny how it swaps when you use expected goals instead of corsi.

It's almost like you can always find a support the point of view you already hold.

 

[struckbyaparkedcar]

Funny how it swaps when you use expected goals instead of corsi.

Hell, just look at what happens when players like Sobotka and Mittelstadt don't center Reinhart.

Casey becomes a 48% possession player (largely due to Skinner’s hand holding) and Vlad is in the 30s.

 

[glennkid]

Also please stop pretending Mittelstadt is some saviour who just needs help. He's not a good player right now. 4th liner if that.

Are you ever critical of Briere...er...Reinhart?

 

[Beerz]

I've actually never seen a player that has had more excuses made for him on this board than Reinhart... use to be more voices but I think some are slowly coming to the realization that Sam is what he is.. a nice player but extremely limited in how he can impact a game.

 

[struckbyaparkedcar]

It's almost like you can always find a support the point of view you already hold.

It’s almost like Sam’s second most frequent linemate is a 35% Corsi player who is only in the lineup because of the dumbass trade that brought him here.

 

[struckbyaparkedcar]

I've actually never seen a player that has had more excuses made for him on this board than Reinhart... use to be more voices but I think some are slowly coming to the realization that Sam is what he is.. a nice player but extremely limited in how he can impact a game.

I’m good with a top 20 player at his position that “is who he is.”

 

[GellMann]

This is a good example of while RelT stats are valuable. Reinhart’s linemates are unplayable without him, and become low-event breakeven players with him.

It’d be cool if we tried to play Sam with players who aren’t complete ****ing garbage, but that would involve the front office admitting they botched the O’Reilly trade.

Part of Reinhart's kickstart last year was his extended time with Ryan after spending a month centering Zemgus/Moulson/Griffith. Like you say, when Sam is making GOOD players better, the team and Sam see results, versus expecting him to carry guys like Crosby can.

And the issue is we have no established good players that aren't being taken up by Jack right now, and Sam wasn't clicking with Jack, so we don't really have anything to do with him and I suspect he won't see the same level of offensive resurgence because of it (Though he really needs to be back on PP1)

 

[Fezzy126]

Hell, just look at what happens when players like Sobotka and Mittelstadt don't center Reinhart.

Casey becomes a 48% possession player (largely due to Skinner’s hand holding) and Vlad is in the 30s.

I thought the sheary-sobotka-Reinhart line was decent together for a 4 or 5 game stretch... Just a gut feel, I haven't dug too deep into the stats outside of corsi on this opinion, or gone back to take a second look at the video...

 

[Buf fan in Nash]

Sorry

50 shots

THEY PLAYED ****IN GREAT

Plan the parade

Risto for MVP

Gotta love the Negative Nancy reaction over a closely contested game where we massively outshot the competition.

This team is young and poorly coached what do expect?

 

[sufferer]

It was only closely contested when Ottawa decided to sit on their lead in the third. They controlled the first two periods, easily.

 

[debaser66]

One trade too early before one player is ready. Now center is a weakness until Mittelstadt is ready as it infortunately shows in games.

 

[steveoath]

Is there anyway to see the location of Hutton's conceded goals? Sens seemed to stack at his glove side last night and I'm curious if they'd noticed something about his technique or tendancies.

 

[dortt]

It was only closely contested when Ottawa decided to sit on their lead in the third. They controlled the first two periods, easily.

scoring chances were about even through the first 2 periods. We didn't score on ours, while Ottawa did, AND they scored on a dump in off of Hutton's rear end.

We outplayed Ottawa last night. Didn't get the result

 

[Fezzy126]

Part of Reinhart's kickstart last year was his extended time with Ryan after spending a month centering Zemgus/Moulson/Griffith. Like you say, when Sam is making GOOD players better, the team and Sam see results, versus expecting him to carry guys like Crosby can.

And the issue is we have no established good players that aren't being taken up by Jack right now, and Sam wasn't clicking with Jack, so we don't really have anything to do with him and I suspect he won't see the same level of offensive resurgence because of it (Though he really needs to be back on PP1)

I'm not worried about Sam, he's saddled with an abnormally low on-ice Sh% at the moment, it will go up. He's still in the right areas and making smart plays, which is what he needs to do.

but there are two things that bother me, 1) you can definitely see when he is more actively moving his feet and when he's not, and it has nothing to do with his linemates. I expected more consistency from him after his contract situation. And 2) When his line works it's ass off to create a chance, f***ing bury it:

This chance against Calgary needs to go in, it puts the game away and gives us 2 points. I say the same the thing when it happens to Eichel. Hell, I was screaming at my tv when Skinner didn't bury his 1 on 1 against Anderson last night in what would have been the GTG.

 

[dasaybz]

It was only closely contested when Ottawa decided to sit on their lead in the third. They controlled the first two periods, easily.

2 fluky goals and a huge disparity in power plays made the game look much worse than it really was.

 

[Montag DP]

It’s almost like Sam’s second most frequent linemate is a 35% Corsi player who is only in the lineup because of the dumbass trade that brought him here.

Too bad he blew his chance to produce anything while he was on Jack's line, so now he's stuck with other guys struggling just as much as he is.