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W Nikita Kucherov (2011, 58th overall, Tampa Bay)
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vorky
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Just to add something to my post above.
I don't think that CHL and AHL are bad leagues to develop, but one can't compare the situations of North American prospects with Russian prospects. It's completely different.
As soon as a talented Canadian kid steps his foot in the CHL locker-room, he has a room full of best friends and "second fathers" for coaches.
As soon as a talented Russian kid steps his foot in the CHL locker-room, he's considered an uncoachable "loner" or "an enigma". I'm not sure most of them are even given a chance to prove otherwise.
Yeah, that's an ideal situation for development.
I don't think that CHL and AHL are bad leagues to develop, but one can't compare the situations of North American prospects with Russian prospects. It's completely different.
As soon as a talented Canadian kid steps his foot in the CHL locker-room, he has a room full of best friends and "second fathers" for coaches.
As soon as a talented Russian kid steps his foot in the CHL locker-room, he's considered an uncoachable "loner" or "an enigma". I'm not sure most of them are even given a chance to prove otherwise.
Yeah, that's an ideal situation for development.
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DuckshaveaRPG
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is say he goes in the 2nd/3rd if not 30th pick by the caps he then spend s 2/3yrs in Russia working and building on his game and confidence then he come over to the NHL and prob goes straight into the the second line unit on a team or what ever
Peter25
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CSKA is a great junior organisation but not a great KHL organisation. Then again, Kucherov will get playing time in CSKA more easily than in Ufa.
Just keep him out of the CHL!
Peter25
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How good would Pavel Datsyuk be now if he chose to play in the CHL at 16 instead rotting in Ekaterinburg and Kazan??? Can you even dare to think?
Peter25
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How many NHL, KHL or national team goals has Yakubov scored so far?
CHL success means nothing. A player has to break through at men's level before making any assumptions.
Peter25
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Pavel Datsyuk arrived to Detroit at 23 and adapted immediately. Selänne came to Winnipeg at 22. Zubov came to New York at 23. Lidström came to Detroit at 21. Ovechkin and Malkin came over as 20 year olds. All of them adapted immeriately.
History does not prove that Russian or European players need to play in the CHL to adapt to NHL style of play.
In fact the history shows that players who left Russia at crucial age between 15 and 19 usually don't meet the expectations.
It is vital and absolutely necessary for Russian hockey that the best juniors stay in Russia until they are 20. I would prefer that they spend their whole careers in Russia, but this is not realistic. Not right now anyway. North American type of game seems to regress many Russians, even greats like Kovalchuk and Malkin.
The best situation for talented young players is in KHL.
It's no coincidence that among all drafted Russian players, Tarasenko and Kuznetsov are clearly standing out right now. Both are in ideal situation imo.
Voynov was in similar situation, but decided to cut it short. I think it was a mistake. I think he already would be NHL-ready player right now. I hope he can still develop into an all-around stud he could certainly be.
Then you have a different situation in Kirill Petrov. He did stay in Russia, but his development was stunned a bit by lack of playing time for Ak Bars. He is finally getting regular minutes in KHL, but not the player I thought he would be at this point. I hope this situation also can still be rectified.
It's no coincidence that among all drafted Russian players, Tarasenko and Kuznetsov are clearly standing out right now. Both are in ideal situation imo.
Voynov was in similar situation, but decided to cut it short. I think it was a mistake. I think he already would be NHL-ready player right now. I hope he can still develop into an all-around stud he could certainly be.
Then you have a different situation in Kirill Petrov. He did stay in Russia, but his development was stunned a bit by lack of playing time for Ak Bars. He is finally getting regular minutes in KHL, but not the player I thought he would be at this point. I hope this situation also can still be rectified.
Peter25
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No for defenders it is not the same case. I believe Voynov and Kulikov would not be as good as they are now if they stayed. Positioning, reads physical play all necessary aspects for defending are better taught in North America.
we never know maybe he would have been next Mario Lemieux? do you have a crystal ball?
tell it to players whos career were ruined in Russia. BTW he is Yakupov not Yakubov...
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where is Pavel Vorobjov, Aleksei Mihknov, Andrei Medvedyev,Mihail Yakubov,Artem Chernov,Jegor Chastin,Sergei Soin,Juri Trubachev,Sergei Mylnikov,Alexander Polushin,Alexander Suglobov,Sergei Anshakov....they all were very promising prospects but they arent in there where they were expected to be! many of them played for Russian National Team as well....is it CHL who is guilty again??
thats just more than fun to readSeeing this has turned into a development thread I wonder if there will be a time when NA prospects will go to Russia to develop?
They shouldn't. They would face the same problems that I've mentioned in the earlier thread.
vorky
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guys, problem solved!!! He is staying in KHL 
Форвард "Красной Армии" Никита Кучеров, установивший новый рекорд результативности на ЮЧМ, в эфире телеканала "Россия-2" признался, что хотел бы выступать в КХЛ за ЦСКА:
- Хотелось бы выступать за ЦСКА в КХЛ, закрепиться в составе. Но для этого надо много работать. Буду стараться, тренироваться.
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Форвард "Красной Армии" Никита Кучеров, установивший новый рекорд результативности на ЮЧМ, в эфире телеканала "Россия-2" признался, что хотел бы выступать в КХЛ за ЦСКА:
- Хотелось бы выступать за ЦСКА в КХЛ, закрепиться в составе. Но для этого надо много работать. Буду стараться, тренироваться.
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guys, problem solved!!! He is staying in KHL
Форвард "Красной Армии" Никита Кучеров, установивший новый рекорд результативности на ЮЧМ, в эфире телеканала "Россия-2" признался, что хотел бы выступать в КХЛ за ЦСКА:
- Хотелось бы выступать за ЦСКА в КХЛ, закрепиться в составе. Но для этого надо много работать. Буду стараться, тренироваться.
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Can anybody translate this into English?
vorky
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I would like to play for CSKA in KHL to make a team. It is a lot of job, I will do my best, I will train so much...
My translation is not literal...
Gotcha. Thanks for that.
Anyways though, I'd take a late round flyer on this kid. Even with the impressive U-18 tourny, he's not getting taken in the first 3 rounds. But he has much more upside than a lot of other kids out there, and if there ever is a transfer agreement hammered out between the KHL and the NHL, he'd be a great player to have. Besides, he's not signing a lifetime deal with CSKA Moscow. Sooner or later, he'll venture over to NA to just test the waters, and having his draft rights will be a plus. Kucherov is a very low risk, high reward pick in the later rounds.
SHHH!!! Him, along with Gusev and Grigorenko are our best kept secrets. Wouldn't want him coming to the NHL!
hehe not anymore
21 points (11+10) in 7 games pretty good
DuckshaveaRPG
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so if stays in the KHL he sign a 3 yr deal with CSKA lets say then after that he free to come to what ever NHL he was drafted by or sign a new KHL deal is that right ?
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