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    Sentinel1Wayne Gretzky1201Wayne Gretzky1Dominik Hasek
    Sentinel2Gordie Howe1192Gordie Howe2Jean Beliveau
    Sentinel3Bobby Orr1183Bobby Orr3Patrick Roy
    Sentinel4Mario Lemieux1174Mario Lemieux4Bobby Hull
    Sentinel5Dominik Hasek1165Jean Beliveau5Sidney Crosby
    Sentinel6Jean Beliveau1156Patrick Roy6Eddie Shore
    Sentinel7Patrick Roy1147Maurice Richard7Howie Morenz
    Sentinel8Maurice Richard1138Bobby Hull8Doug Harvey
    Sentinel9Bobby Hull1129Doug Harvey9Maurice Richard
    Sentinel10Sergei Makarov11110Ray Bourque10Ray Bourque
    Sentinel11Sidney Crosby11034
    Sentinel12Eddie Shore1091Dominik Hasek1Alex Ovechkin
    Sentinel13Alex Ovechkin1082Sidney Crosby2Jaromir Jagr
    Sentinel14Jaromir Jagr1073Eddie Shore3Nicklas Lidstrom
    Sentinel15Nicklas Lidstrom1064Alex Ovechkin4Guy Lafleur
    Sentinel16Guy Lafleur1055Howie Morenz5Phil Esposito
    Sentinel17Howie Morenz1046Jaromir Jagr6Denis Potvin
    Sentinel18Doug Harvey1037Nicklas Lidstrom7Mark Messier
    Sentinel19Phil Esposito1028Ray Bourque8Frank Nighbor
    Sentinel20Steve Yzerman1019Stan Mikita9Red Kelly
    Sentinel21Ray Bourque10010Denis Potvin10Stan Mikita
    Sentinel22Mike Bossy9956
    Sentinel23Viacheslav Fetisov981Alex Ovechkin1Sergei Makarov
    Sentinel24Bryan Trottier972Guy Lafleur2Phil Esposito
    Sentinel25Mark Messier963Phil Esposito3Mike Bossy
    Sentinel26Joe Sakic954Viacheslav Fetisov4Viacheslav Fetisov
    Sentinel27Anatoli Firsov945Mark Messier5Bryan Trottier
    Sentinel28Stan Mikita936Frank Nighbor6Joe Sakic
    Sentinel29Vladislav Tretiak927Bobby Clarke7Terry Sawchuk
    Sentinel30Terry Sawchuk918Terry Sawchuk8Bobby Clarke
    Sentinel31Red Kelly909Stan Mikita9Martin Brodeur
    Sentinel32Sergei Fedorov8910Martin Brodeur10Cyclone Taylor
    Sentinel33Evgeni Malkin8878
    Sentinel34Frank Nighbor871Steve Yzerman1Steve Yzerman
    Sentinel35Denis Potvin862Mike Bossy2Mike Bossy
    Sentinel36Valeri Kharlamov853Bryan Trottier3Terry Sawchuk
    Sentinel37Jacques Plante844Joe Sakic4Ted Lindsay
    Sentinel38Bobby Clarke835Terry Sawchuk5Chris Chelios
    Sentinel39Paul Coffey826Ted Lindsay6Paul Coffey
    Sentinel40Ted Lindsay817Martin Brodeur7Larry Robinson
    Sentinel41Teemu Selanne808Newsy Lalonde8Ken Dryden
    Sentinel42Peter Forsberg799Larry Robinson9Newsy Lalonde
    Sentinel43Ken Dryden7810Cyclone Taylor10Brad Park
    Sentinel44Chris Chelios779
    Sentinel45Martin Brodeur761Vladislav Tretiak
    Sentinel46Jari Kurri752Valeri Kharlamov
    Sentinel47Newsy Lalonde743Paul Coffey
    Sentinel48Larry Robinson734Ken Dryden
    Sentinel49Brett Hull725Chris Chelios
    Sentinel50Cyclone Taylor716Henri Richard
    Sentinel51Boris Mikhailov707King Clancy
    Sentinel52Henri Richard698Brad Park
    Sentinel53Milt Schmidt689Charlie Conacher
    Sentinel54King Clancy6710Pierre Pilote
    Sentinel55Glenn Hall66
    Sentinel56Bernie Geoffrion65
    Sentinel57Dave Keon64
    Sentinel58Pavel Bure63
    Sentinel59Pavel Datsyuk62
    Sentinel60Cy Denneny61
    Sentinel61Brad Park60
    Sentinel62Vladimir Petrov59
    Sentinel63Bill Cook58
    Sentinel64Charlie Conacher57
    Sentinel65Joe Malone56
    Sentinel66Max Bentley55
    Sentinel67Pierre Pilote54
    Sentinel68Ted Kennedy53
    Sentinel69Andy Bathgate52
    Sentinel70Vladimir Martinec51
    Sentinel71Bill Durnan50
    Sentinel72Marcel Dionne49
    Sentinel73Dit Clapper48
    Sentinel74Alexander Yakushev47
    Sentinel75Frank Mahovlich46
    Sentinel76Al MacInnis45
    Sentinel77Turk Broda44
    Sentinel78Tim Horton43
    Sentinel79Sprague Cleghorn42
    Sentinel80Aurele Joliat41
    Sentinel81Frank Brimsek40
    Sentinel82Scott Stevens39
    Sentinel83Syl Apps38
    Sentinel84Eric Lindros37
    Sentinel85Peter Stastny36
    Sentinel86Toe Blake35
    Sentinel87Bernie Parent34
    Sentinel88Borje Salming33
    Sentinel89Serge Savard32
    Sentinel90Sid Abel31
    Sentinel91Scott Niedermayer30
    Sentinel92Clint Benedict29
    Sentinel93Alexander Maltsev28
    Sentinel94Norm Ullman27
    Sentinel95Chris Pronger26
    Sentinel96Vyacheslav Starshinov25
    Sentinel97Duncan Keith24
    Sentinel98Jiri Holecek23
    Sentinel99Elmer Lach2220
    Sentinel100Alex Delvecchio211Eric Lindros
    Sentinel101Luc Robitaille202Pavel Bure
    Sentinel102Doug Gilmour193Norm Ullman
    Sentinel103Igor Larionov184Dave Keon
    Sentinel104Martin St. Louis175Mark Howe
    Sentinel105Ron Francis166Brian Leetch
    Sentinel106Paul Kariya157Bernie Parent
    Sentinel107Gilbert Perreault148Martin St. Louis
    Sentinel108Mark Recchi139Peter Stastny
    Sentinel109Mark Howe1210Sid Abel
    Sentinel110Vladimir Krutov11
    Sentinel111Jarome Iginla10
    Sentinel112Patrick Kane9
    Sentinel113Vaclav Nedomansky8
    Sentinel114Dickie Moore7
    Sentinel115Henrik Zetterberg6
    Sentinel116Mike Modano5
    Sentinel117Jonathan Toews4
    Sentinel118Mats Sundin3
    Sentinel119Joe Thornton2
    Sentinel120Vsevolod Bobrov1
    VoterRankPlayerPoints12
    Hockey Outsider1Wayne Gretzky1201Wayne Gretzky1Jean Beliveau
    Hockey Outsider2Gordie Howe1192Gordie Howe2Bobby Hull
    Hockey Outsider3Bobby Orr1183Bobby Orr3Patrick Roy
    Hockey Outsider4Mario Lemieux1174Mario Lemieux4Doug Harvey
    Hockey Outsider5Jean Beliveau1165Jean Beliveau5Ray Bourque
    Hockey Outsider6Maurice Richard1156Maurice Richard6Howie Morenz
    Hockey Outsider7Bobby Hull1147Bobby Hull7Maurice Richard
    Hockey Outsider8Ray Bourque1138Ray Bourque8Dominik Hasek
    Hockey Outsider9Howie Morenz1129Doug Harvey9Sidney Crosby
    Hockey Outsider10Doug Harvey11110Patrick Roy10Eddie Shore
    Hockey Outsider11Jaromir Jagr11034
    Hockey Outsider12Dominik Hasek1091Howie Morenz1Nicklas Lidstrom
    Hockey Outsider13Eddie Shore1082Ray Bourque2Jacques Plante
    Hockey Outsider14Patrick Roy1073Sidney Crosby3Red Kelly
    Hockey Outsider15Sidney Crosby1064Dominik Hasek4Jaromir Jagr
    Hockey Outsider16Mark Messier1055Eddie Shore5Mark Messier
    Hockey Outsider17Jacques Plante1046Jaromir Jagr6Stan Mikita
    Hockey Outsider18Nicklas Lidstrom1037Stan Mikita7Denis Potvin
    Hockey Outsider19Stan Mikita1028Mark Messier8Frank Nighbor
    Hockey Outsider20Guy Lafleur1019Nicklas Lidstrom9Guy Lafleur
    Hockey Outsider21Red Kelly10010Jacques Plante10Alex Ovechkin
    Hockey Outsider22Alex Ovechkin9956
    Hockey Outsider23Bobby Clarke981Mark Messier1Bobby Clarke
    Hockey Outsider24Denis Potvin972Stan Mikita2Sergei Makarov
    Hockey Outsider25Sergei Makarov963Frank Nighbor3Glenn Hall
    Hockey Outsider26Frank Nighbor954Guy Lafleur4Martin Brodeur
    Hockey Outsider27Phil Esposito945Alex Ovechkin5Viacheslav Fetisov
    Hockey Outsider28Glenn Hall936Bobby Clarke6Bryan Trottier
    Hockey Outsider29Cyclone Taylor927Glenn Hall7Phil Esposito
    Hockey Outsider30Viacheslav Fetisov918Martin Brodeur8Cyclone Taylor
    Hockey Outsider31Joe Sakic909Viacheslav Fetisov9Joe Sakic
    Hockey Outsider32Chris Chelios8910Phil Esposito10Terry Sawchuk
    Hockey Outsider33Bryan Trottier8878
    Hockey Outsider34Larry Robinson871Martin Brodeur1Newsy Lalonde
    Hockey Outsider35Steve Yzerman862Cyclone Taylor2Terry Sawchuk
    Hockey Outsider36Martin Brodeur853Bill Cook3Chris Chelios
    Hockey Outsider37Bill Cook844Bryan Trottier4Larry Robinson
    Hockey Outsider38Ted Lindsay835Joe Sakic5Steve Yzerman
    Hockey Outsider39Mike Bossy826Larry Robinson6Mike Bossy
    Hockey Outsider40Ken Dryden817Newsy Lalonde7Ted Lindsay
    Hockey Outsider41Newsy Lalonde808Steve Yzerman8Ken Dryden
    Hockey Outsider42Frank Boucher799Terry Sawchuk9Paul Coffey
    Hockey Outsider43Paul Coffey7810Mike Bossy10Brad Park
    Hockey Outsider44Syl Apps77910
    Hockey Outsider45Charlie Conacher761Chris Chelios1Ken Dryden
    Hockey Outsider46Brad Park752Valeri Kharlamov2Paul Coffey
    Hockey Outsider47Vladislav Tretiak743Frank Boucher3Vladislav Tretiak
    Hockey Outsider48Valeri Kharlamov734Ken Dryden4Syl Apps
    Hockey Outsider49Pierre Pilote725Paul Coffey5Pierre Pilote
    Hockey Outsider50Bernie Geoffrion716King Clancy6Brad Park
    Hockey Outsider51Henri Richard707Syl Apps7Henri Richard
    Hockey Outsider52Milt Schmidt698Vladislav Tretiak8Peter Forsberg
    Hockey Outsider53King Clancy689Pierre Pilote9Milt Schmidt
    Hockey Outsider54Terry Sawchuk6710Brad Park10Charlie Conacher
    Hockey Outsider55Marcel Dionne661112
    Hockey Outsider56Andy Bathgate651Vladislav Tretiak1Sprague Cleghorn
    Hockey Outsider57Sprague Cleghorn642Pierre Pilote2Frank Brimsek
    Hockey Outsider58Teemu Selanne633Frank Brimsek3Ted Kennedy
    Hockey Outsider59Evgeni Malkin624Evgeni Malkin4Chris Pronger
    Hockey Outsider60Chris Pronger615Peter Forsberg5Andy Bathgate
    Hockey Outsider61Peter Forsberg606Earl Seibert6Earl Seibert
    Hockey Outsider62Al MacInnis597Marcel Dionne7Marcel Dionne
    Hockey Outsider63Frank Mahovlich588Milt Schmidt8Charlie Conacher
    Hockey Outsider64Earl Seibert579Charlie Conacher9Bernie Geoffrion
    Hockey Outsider65Bill Gadsby5610Bernie Geoffrion10Tim Horton
    Hockey Outsider66Tim Horton551314
    Hockey Outsider67Frank Brimsek541Scott Stevens1Al MacInnis
    Hockey Outsider68Ted Kennedy532Andy Bathgate2Tim Horton
    Hockey Outsider69Scott Stevens523Al MacInnis3Georges Vezina
    Hockey Outsider70Zdeno Chara514Marcel Dionne4Teemu Selanne
    Hockey Outsider71Johnny Bower505Earl Seibert5Clint Benedict
    Hockey Outsider72Nels Stewart496Bernie Geoffrion6Frank Mahovlich
    Hockey Outsider73Brian Leetch487Tim Horton7Cy Denneny
    Hockey Outsider74Bill Durnan478Teemu Selanne8Dickie Moore
    Hockey Outsider75Georges Vezina469Georges Vezina9Joe Malone
    Hockey Outsider76Bill Cowley4510Frank Mahovlich10Dit Clapper
    Hockey Outsider77Borje Salming441516
    Hockey Outsider78Valeri Vasiliev431Clint Benedict1Jari Kurri
    Hockey Outsider79Turk Broda422Anatoli Firsov2Brett Hull
    Hockey Outsider80Norm Ullman413Jari Kurri3Charlie Gardiner
    Hockey Outsider81Clint Benedict404Brett Hull4Max Bentley
    Hockey Outsider82Jari Kurri395Frank Mahovlich5Turk Broda
    Hockey Outsider83Brett Hull386Turk Broda6Boris Mikhailov
    Hockey Outsider84Dit Clapper377Cy Denneny7Aurele Joliat
    Hockey Outsider85Cy Denneny368Joe Malone8Cy Denneny
    Hockey Outsider86Aurele Joliat359Dit Clapper9Bill Durnan
    Hockey Outsider87Ed Belfour3410Bill Durnan10Sergei Fedorov
    Hockey Outsider88Boris Mikhailov331718
    Hockey Outsider89Joe Malone321Brett Hull1Zdeno Chara
    Hockey Outsider90Tony Esposito312Elmer Lach2Ed Belfour
    Hockey Outsider91Sergei Fedorov303Turk Broda3Boris Mikhailov
    Hockey Outsider92Max Bentley294Boris Mikhailov4Nels Stewart
    Hockey Outsider93Charlie Gardiner285Nels Stewart5Sergei Fedorov
    Hockey Outsider94Dickie Moore276Bill Gadsby6Bill Cowley
    Hockey Outsider95Peter Stastny267Bill Durnan7Bill Gadsby
    Hockey Outsider96Toe Blake258Borje Salming8Brian Leetch
    Hockey Outsider97Sid Abel249Sergei Fedorov9Duncan Keith
    Hockey Outsider98Elmer Lach2310Brian Leetch10Martin St. Louis
    Hockey Outsider99Jarome Iginla221920
    Hockey Outsider100Duncan Keith211Nels Stewart1Brian Leetch
    Hockey Outsider101Scott Niedermayer202Bill Gadsby2Mark Howe
    Hockey Outsider102Bernie Parent193Brian Leetch3Tony Esposito
    Hockey Outsider103Johnny Bucyk184Joe Thornton4Norm Ullman
    Hockey Outsider104Joe Thornton175Patrick Kane5Martin St. Louis
    Hockey Outsider105Doug Gilmour166Mark Howe6Peter Stastny
    Hockey Outsider106Serge Savard157Tony Esposito7Eric Lindros
    Hockey Outsider107Martin St. Louis148Martin St. Louis8Johnny Bower
    Hockey Outsider108Eric Lindros139Duncan Keith9Valeri Vasiliev
    Hockey Outsider109Dave Keon1210Peter Stastny10Sid Abel
    Hockey Outsider110Guy Lapointe1121
    Hockey Outsider111Mark Howe101Norm Ullman
    Hockey Outsider112Alexander Maltsev92Tony Esposito
    Hockey Outsider113Rod Langway83Sid Abel
    Hockey Outsider114Billy Smith74Peter Stastny
    Hockey Outsider115Bill Quackenbush65Alexander Maltsev
    Hockey Outsider116Patrick Kane56Jarome Iginla
    Hockey Outsider117Adam Oates47Johnny Bower
    Hockey Outsider118Anatoli Firsov38Valeri Vasiliev
    Hockey Outsider119Alex Delvecchio29Jiri Holecek
    Hockey Outsider120Erik Karlsson110Doug Gilmour
    VoterRankPlayerPoints12
    ChiTownPhilly1Wayne Gretzky1201Wayne Gretzky1Bobby Hull
    ChiTownPhilly2Mario Lemieux1192Mario Lemieux2Patrick Roy
    ChiTownPhilly3Gordie Howe1183Gordie Howe3Doug Harvey
    ChiTownPhilly4Bobby Orr1174Bobby Orr4Jean Beliveau
    ChiTownPhilly5Bobby Hull1165Bobby Hull5Maurice Richard
    ChiTownPhilly6Patrick Roy1156Patrick Roy6Howie Morenz
    ChiTownPhilly7Doug Harvey1147Jean Beliveau7Ray Bourque
    ChiTownPhilly8Jean Beliveau1138Doug Harvey8Dominik Hasek
    ChiTownPhilly9Maurice Richard1129Maurice Richard9Eddie Shore
    ChiTownPhilly10Howie Morenz11110Ray Bourque10Sidney Crosby
    ChiTownPhilly11Ray Bourque11034
    ChiTownPhilly12Jaromir Jagr1091Howie Morenz1Nicklas Lidstrom
    ChiTownPhilly13Nicklas Lidstrom1082Nicklas Lidstrom2Jaromir Jagr
    ChiTownPhilly14Alex Ovechkin1073Ray Bourque3Alex Ovechkin
    ChiTownPhilly15Dominik Hasek1064Jaromir Jagr4Jacques Plante
    ChiTownPhilly16Eddie Shore1055Dominik Hasek5Mark Messier
    ChiTownPhilly17Jacques Plante1046Alex Ovechkin6Denis Potvin
    ChiTownPhilly18Mark Messier1037Eddie Shore7Frank Nighbor
    ChiTownPhilly19Glenn Hall1028Jacques Plante8Red Kelly
    ChiTownPhilly20Viacheslav Fetisov1019Mark Messier9Guy Lafleur
    ChiTownPhilly21Denis Potvin10010Denis Potvin10Phil Esposito
    ChiTownPhilly22Guy Lafleur9956
    ChiTownPhilly23Frank Nighbor981Alex Ovechkin1Viacheslav Fetisov
    ChiTownPhilly24Red Kelly972Viacheslav Fetisov2Glenn Hall
    ChiTownPhilly25Sergei Makarov963Mark Messier3Sergei Makarov
    ChiTownPhilly26Larry Robinson954Glenn Hall4Cyclone Taylor
    ChiTownPhilly27Cyclone Taylor945Guy Lafleur5Bryan Trottier
    ChiTownPhilly28Bill Cook936Frank Nighbor6Mike Bossy
    ChiTownPhilly29Vladislav Tretiak927Phil Esposito7Phil Esposito
    ChiTownPhilly30Bryan Trottier918Martin Brodeur8Martin Brodeur
    ChiTownPhilly31Mike Bossy909Stan Mikita9Joe Sakic
    ChiTownPhilly32Phil Esposito8910Terry Sawchuk10Terry Sawchuk
    ChiTownPhilly33Newsy Lalonde8878
    ChiTownPhilly34Martin Brodeur871Bill Cook1Larry Robinson
    ChiTownPhilly35Sidney Crosby862Larry Robinson2Mike Bossy
    ChiTownPhilly36Chris Chelios853Cyclone Taylor3Terry Sawchuk
    ChiTownPhilly37Valeri Kharlamov844Bryan Trottier4Newsy Lalonde
    ChiTownPhilly38King Clancy835Mike Bossy5Chris Chelios
    ChiTownPhilly39Joe Sakic826Martin Brodeur6Steve Yzerman
    ChiTownPhilly40Sprague Cleghorn817Newsy Lalonde7Ken Dryden
    ChiTownPhilly41Ken Dryden808Joe Sakic8Brad Park
    ChiTownPhilly42Charlie Conacher799Steve Yzerman9Paul Coffey
    ChiTownPhilly43Stan Mikita7810Terry Sawchuk10Ted Lindsay
    ChiTownPhilly44Brad Park77910
    ChiTownPhilly45Terry Sawchuk761Vladislav Tretiak1Vladislav Tretiak
    ChiTownPhilly46Steve Yzerman752Valeri Kharlamov2Charlie Conacher
    ChiTownPhilly47Andy Bathgate743Chris Chelios3Brad Park
    ChiTownPhilly48Paul Coffey734King Clancy4Paul Coffey
    ChiTownPhilly49Earl Seibert725Charlie Conacher5Syl Apps
    ChiTownPhilly50Ted Lindsay716Brad Park6Milt Schmidt
    ChiTownPhilly51Bobby Clarke707Ken Dryden7Ken Dryden
    ChiTownPhilly52Frank Brimsek698Paul Coffey8Pierre Pilote
    ChiTownPhilly53Pierre Pilote689Syl Apps9Peter Forsberg
    ChiTownPhilly54Teemu Selanne6710Pierre Pilote10Bernie Geoffrion
    ChiTownPhilly55Syl Apps661112
    ChiTownPhilly56Milt Schmidt651Vladislav Tretiak1Charlie Conacher
    ChiTownPhilly57Jarome Iginla642Charlie Conacher2Earl Seibert
    ChiTownPhilly58Clint Benedict633Milt Schmidt3Andy Bathgate
    ChiTownPhilly59Bernie Geoffrion624Earl Seibert4Frank Brimsek
    ChiTownPhilly60Georges Vezina615Frank Brimsek5Marcel Dionne
    ChiTownPhilly61Sergei Fedorov606Pierre Pilote6Bernie Geoffrion
    ChiTownPhilly62Chris Pronger597Marcel Dionne7Sprague Cleghorn
    ChiTownPhilly63Marcel Dionne588Bernie Geoffrion8Chris Pronger
    ChiTownPhilly64Boris Mikhailov579Evgeni Malkin9Ted Kennedy
    ChiTownPhilly65Charlie Gardiner5610Peter Forsberg10Frank Mahovlich
    ChiTownPhilly66Valeri Vasiliev551314
    ChiTownPhilly67Evgeni Malkin541Earl Seibert1Teemu Selanne
    ChiTownPhilly68Jan Suchy532Andy Bathgate2Clint Benedict
    ChiTownPhilly69Ted Kennedy523Teemu Selanne3Georges Vezina
    ChiTownPhilly70Dit Clapper514Georges Vezina4Dit Clapper
    ChiTownPhilly71Frank Boucher505Marcel Dionne5Al MacInnis
    ChiTownPhilly72Bernie Parent496Bernie Geoffrion6Dickie Moore
    ChiTownPhilly73Al MacInnis487Al MacInnis7Tim Horton
    ChiTownPhilly74Peter Forsberg478Frank Mahovlich8Joe Malone
    ChiTownPhilly75Frank Mahovlich469Scott Stevens9Frank Mahovlich
    ChiTownPhilly76Jiri Holecek4510Tim Horton10Cy Denneny
    ChiTownPhilly77Aurele Joliat441516
    ChiTownPhilly78Brian Leetch431Clint Benedict1Sergei Fedorov
    ChiTownPhilly79Dickie Moore422Dit Clapper2Boris Mikhailov
    ChiTownPhilly80Jari Kurri413Anatoli Firsov3Charlie Gardiner
    ChiTownPhilly81Joe Malone404Joe Malone4Aurele Joliat
    ChiTownPhilly82Frantisek Pospisil395Frank Mahovlich5Jari Kurri
    ChiTownPhilly83Tim Horton386Jari Kurri6Max Bentley
    ChiTownPhilly84Scott Stevens377Cy Denneny7Cy Denneny
    ChiTownPhilly85Max Bentley368Bill Durnan8Bill Durnan
    ChiTownPhilly86Vladimir Martinec359Turk Broda9Turk Broda
    ChiTownPhilly87Anatoli Firsov3410Brett Hull10Brett Hull
    ChiTownPhilly88Sid Abel331718
    ChiTownPhilly89Duncan Keith321Sergei Fedorov1Sergei Fedorov
    ChiTownPhilly90Eric Lindros312Boris Mikhailov2Boris Mikhailov
    ChiTownPhilly91Bill Gadsby303Brian Leetch3Brian Leetch
    ChiTownPhilly92Cy Denneny294Bill Gadsby4Eric Lindros
    ChiTownPhilly93Elmer Lach285Borje Salming5Bill Gadsby
    ChiTownPhilly94Toe Blake276Elmer Lach6Duncan Keith
    ChiTownPhilly95Borje Salming267Bill Durnan7Zdeno Chara
    ChiTownPhilly96Alexander Maltsev258Turk Broda8Nels Stewart
    ChiTownPhilly97Tony Esposito249Nels Stewart9Ed Belfour
    ChiTownPhilly98Eddie Gerard2310Brett Hull10Martin St. Louis
    ChiTownPhilly99Bill Durnan221920
    ChiTownPhilly100Patrick Kane211Jarome Iginla1Jarome Iginla
    ChiTownPhilly101Vladimir Petrov202Valeri Vasiliev2Valeri Vasiliev
    ChiTownPhilly102Zdeno Chara193Brian Leetch3Bernie Parent
    ChiTownPhilly103Turk Broda184Sid Abel4Jiri Holecek
    ChiTownPhilly104Henri Richard175Eric Lindros5Brian Leetch
    ChiTownPhilly105Hugh Lehman166Bill Gadsby6Eric Lindros
    ChiTownPhilly106Vladimir Krutov157Duncan Keith7Sid Abel
    ChiTownPhilly107Mark Howe148Patrick Kane8Toe Blake
    ChiTownPhilly108Alexander Yakushev139Eddie Gerard9Eddie Gerard
    ChiTownPhilly109Norm Ullman1210Toe Blake10Tony Esposito
    ChiTownPhilly110Nels Stewart1121
    ChiTownPhilly111Russell Bowie101Jarome Iginla
    ChiTownPhilly112Drew Doughty92Bernie Parent
    ChiTownPhilly113Dave Keon83Valeri Vasiliev
    ChiTownPhilly114Jack Stewart74Sid Abel
    ChiTownPhilly115Ed Belfour65Jiri Holecek
    ChiTownPhilly116Brett Hull56Alexander Maltsev
    ChiTownPhilly117Johnny Bower47Vladimir Martinec
    ChiTownPhilly118Martin St. Louis38Toe Blake
    ChiTownPhilly119Peter Stastny29Eddie Gerard
    ChiTownPhilly120Hod Stuart110Tony Esposito
     
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    @Sentinel I like that list although there are many rankings there I don't agree with. I wish you could have continued to vote through it. Difference of opinion/different perspectives are always more interesting than participants who just try to fit into the middle.

    I can't buy Selänne over Forsberg for instance just on positional basis. Selänne wasn't even an all situations winger. We went through this in the Klose discussion though. ;)


    Edit: Now I see @Hockey Outsider also had Selänne over Forsberg...

    ... double edit: and @ChiTownPhilly too... :laugh:
     
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    At least Sentinel has Trottier and Esposito above Messier.
     
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    @ChiTownPhilly 14 Ovechkin 35 Crosby. How do you get there? Do you still believe there's such a gap between them?
     
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    Question for Hockey Outsider. Did you use the NHL archival data that became available within the last year?
     
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    Iginla at 57. A statement ranking?
     
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    I was 100% certain it was @Sentinel 's list. I didn't like it, but frankly, there were worse ones. I DID NOT NOTICE Boucher was absent, but other than Boucher, there was pretty much only Vezina who HAD to be there, but wasn't (and that's screener MXD talking, not user MXD). He also admitted not knowing much about Pre-WWII hockey. It shows. But I can't blame someone who shows that he doesn't know much about something he litterally says he's not knowing much about. A few "how did we even get there" moments (the gap between Lafleur and Clarke is very striking for someone who had Fedorov in the Top-40). Heavy on Russian/Wings, but, again, considering admission of blind spot about pre WWII could logically explain.

    I didn't guess it was @Hockey Outsider 's list, though I suspected him to be a likely author. It's boring.

    @ChiTownPhilly 's list was extremely interesting, and he clearly explained his rationale throughout the project. I did a double take when I saw there was only one winger between Ted Lindsay and Jarome Igina (...actually, make that a triple take). I also really couldn't understand Henri Richard roughly 50 spots below Milt Schmidt (the other way around would've been a head-scratcher, too). Oh, and there's this Crosby thing, too.
     
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    I'm really enjoying the comments from the screeners. Keep them coming.
     
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    For one, to me it's obvious that Kharlamov should be above Clarke. We all know how they fared face-to-face and how low did the God of Two-Way Play have to stoop to stop Kharlamov.

    The dissonance between my list and the voted results was becoming too large and too frustrating. So I stopped. I did not participate in the voting of Fedorov, Bure, Ullman, etc.

    If I had to do the list over, the one big change would be: I would strike Richard from the Top 10 altogether. Soon he will be replaced by both Crosby and Ovechkin.
     
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    @Sentinel What made Frank Boucher an NR for you, while being quite high on many other centres in general?
     
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    I don't remember. Frankly, I don't hold pre-WW2 players in such high regard. Notice how in my 90-120 players there is only one pre-WW2 player, Benedict.
     
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    So you figure the sport made a big leap forward during the war, of all times? Your rankings of players that broke into the NHL during or immediately after the war seem in line with the consensus opinions, higher in some cases.
     
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    Yeah Kharlamov's 7 points really put the fear of god into Canada.
     
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    I've been trying to digest all of that information - I've been pleasantly surprised by how much there was. I've read through a fair bit of it, but I didn't really apply it to my list in a systematic way.

    To be perfectly honest, I didn't spend a ton of time making my list. I was travelling in Asia at the time and hockey wasn't top of mind. (That's not to say I don't stand behind my list, because I do, but with a bit more time I'm sure I would have tinkered with a number of the rankings).

    To speak to MXD's comment, I think my list was boring because 1) I've been posting here for more than a decade, so perhaps I've gradually drifted towards the group consensus on many players 2) I've posted lots of data over the years, so maybe my positions have influenced others and 3) since I rushed my list, I didn't spend a ton of time trying to identify "controversial" positions to fight over.
     
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    @Sentinel you see to have low rankings for many defensemen. Harvey at 18, Bourque at 21, Kelly at 31 (so much for Red Wings bias), Potvin at 35, Robinson at 48, Park at 61, Pilote at 67. Each of those rankings are probably defensible individually, but do you think overall you're tougher on defensemen?
     
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    So?
     
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    A two-part question- and taking into account that it's one of the three most controversial portions of my list, it's right for me to be called out on it, and asked to explain myself. Well- here goes the first part:

    I always felt that Crosby got too much credit for the Penguins success... and Malkin not enough. At the time I composed my list, the two most recent completed seasons helped underpin that belief. But-- with regard to Crosby/Ovechkin specifically, I have a trio of points:

    A. Ovechkin continues to prep briefs for the case that he's the greatest LW of all-time. Bobby Hull would be tough guy to move around... but Ovechkin may yet win the day. If you are a longevity guy, he's starting to be worth podium consideration for greatest W of all-time, never mind laterality. [I'm not so much a longevity guy when it comes to Forwards, so there's that.] An incidental aside to this is that with Ovechkin, you get deployment-flexibility: as he can play RW just as effectively. Crosby might leak into the bottom-six of the discussion for greatest C of all-time, maybe. He's had significant stretches where he's not the finest C on his own team.

    B. [What I consider to be the most relevant point]- I think that the blueprint for the "Sidney Crosby containment structure" exists in the public domain. Its construction requires some rare and valuable materials (impossible for many to even obtain), but it's out there. Zetterberg, Toews, Bergeron- maybe it's not out-of-line to say we're seeing another construction-site being put in place before our very eyes.

    C. (The most personal and therefore objectively possibly the least meaningful point)- yeah, there's that whole "Greg Louganis/Klaus Dibiasi" thing with Crosby. [And visible instances where he runs the mouth when his acting isn't persuasive.] He's certainly far from the first player to bring the most distasteful aspects of European Football onto the ice, but he is likely the most significant popularizer of that stunt. I'm not alone in saying that it's having an overall negative impact on recent Youth Hockey development.

    Okay, on to the second part of the question: how do I like 'em now?! When this season began, I had reason to think that the general trend for the Penguins would continue. I did not know then that Crosby would have a fine bounce-back Regular Season, and that it would be Malkin who would take a dump on his own C.V. Ovechkin's put another quality chapter into his book, too. Ultimately, I think it's more a case that I slightly over-valued Ovechkin than I under-valued Crosby. The space I got between them has narrowed.

    When I made the rough-draft of my Prelim List, I started with Iginla around the border, like most of the rest of the Panelists. Then, I went to order my Wingers- and took a deeper dive into his output- and became more and more impressed. "Look at all the things he did, in virtual exile, there in The Outpost, with next-to-no help!" I thought. When Bathgate came up, the point was raised "just how much separates Bathgate from the likes of Iginla?"- in a manner that was intended to encourage caution with Bathgate. In my mind, it had the effect of adding honor to Iginla. Some of the dips in his regular season output can be explained by the fact that he often played full-on hurt.

    So- he missed this Top-100... and to me, that's disappointing at a certain level. [I'm sure certain posters feel much the same way about, for instance, Ullman.] At least I know he'll get his plaque in Toronto soon enough. When that happens, maybe the records can be peeled back once again, assessments made, and maybe, just maybe, the idea of Iginla is a comfortable Top-100 player won't seem so outré.
     
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    While Sentinel's reasoning to rank Kharlamov higher was not, er, perfect, Clarke's action in 1972 still speaks for itself. Because of the slash, Kharlamov played five and a half games healthy, even though he played in 7 games.
     
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    So he stopped. He literally said so in the next sentence :thumbu:
     
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    Compare to Ovi's double butt-end on Svechnikov and the extended outcome.

    Ovi's actions speak loudly.
     
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    And that had something to do with... what?
     
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    Similarities between Clarke and Ovi' s non-hockey actions are rather clear. Blatant intent to injure, removing one of the oppositions best players from play.

    Yet, you do not criticize Ovi. Why?
     

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