Voting Record - blogofmike, TheGeneral, The Macho Man

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VoterRankPlayerPoints 1 2
blogofmike1Wayne Gretzky1201Wayne Gretzky1Bobby Hull
blogofmike2Gordie Howe1192Gordie Howe2Patrick Roy
blogofmike3Bobby Orr1183Mario Lemieux3Ray Bourque
blogofmike4Mario Lemieux1174Bobby Orr4Maurice Richard
blogofmike5Bobby Hull1165Bobby Hull5Dominik Hasek
blogofmike6Jean Beliveau1156Jean Beliveau6Sidney Crosby
blogofmike7Patrick Roy1147Patrick Roy7Jean Beliveau
blogofmike8Maurice Richard1138Maurice Richard8Eddie Shore
blogofmike9Mark Messier1129Ray Bourque9Howie Morenz
blogofmike10Ray Bourque11110Doug Harvey10Doug Harvey
blogofmike11Dominik Hasek110 3 4
blogofmike12Jaromir Jagr1091Mark Messier1Mark Messier
blogofmike13Jacques Plante1082Ray Bourque2Jaromir Jagr
blogofmike14Stan Mikita1073Jaromir Jagr3Jacques Plante
blogofmike15Eddie Shore1064Dominik Hasek4Denis Potvin
blogofmike16Phil Esposito1055Jacques Plante5Phil Esposito
blogofmike17Howie Morenz1046Howie Morenz6Frank Nighbor
blogofmike18Martin Brodeur1037Sidney Crosby7Nicklas Lidstrom
blogofmike19Sidney Crosby1028Denis Potvin8Red Kelly
blogofmike20Joe Sakic1019Eddie Shore9Stan Mikita
blogofmike21Bobby Clarke10010Alex Ovechkin10Alex Ovechkin
blogofmike22Alex Ovechkin99 5 6
blogofmike23Frank Nighbor981Mark Messier1Phil Esposito
blogofmike24Guy Lafleur972Martin Brodeur2Martin Brodeur
blogofmike25Cyclone Taylor963Phil Esposito3Viacheslav Fetisov
blogofmike26Newsy Lalonde954Frank Nighbor4Sergei Makarov
blogofmike27Nicklas Lidstrom945Glenn Hall5Cyclone Taylor
blogofmike28Doug Harvey936Stan Mikita6Joe Sakic
blogofmike29Viacheslav Fetisov927Alex Ovechkin7Glenn Hall
blogofmike30Denis Potvin918Viacheslav Fetisov8Bryan Trottier
blogofmike31Mike Bossy909Bobby Clarke9Mike Bossy
blogofmike32Red Kelly8910Guy Lafleur10Terry Sawchuk
blogofmike33Steve Yzerman88 7 8
blogofmike34Larry Robinson871Martin Brodeur1Steve Yzerman
blogofmike35Bryan Trottier862Joe Sakic2Mike Bossy
blogofmike36Sergei Makarov853Cyclone Taylor3Larry Robinson
blogofmike37Terry Sawchuk844Mike Bossy4Terry Sawchuk
blogofmike38Vladislav Tretiak835Steve Yzerman5Chris Chelios
blogofmike39Ken Dryden826Bryan Trottier6Ken Dryden
blogofmike40Paul Coffey817Terry Sawchuk7Newsy Lalonde
blogofmike41Glenn Hall808Bill Cook8Ted Lindsay
blogofmike42Al MacInnis799Newsy Lalonde9Paul Coffey
blogofmike43Scott Stevens7810Larry Robinson10Brad Park
blogofmike44Chris Pronger77 9 10
blogofmike45Bill Durnan761Chris Chelios1Paul Coffey
blogofmike46Peter Forsberg752Vladislav Tretiak2Peter Forsberg
blogofmike47Brett Hull743Paul Coffey3Vladislav Tretiak
blogofmike48Ted Lindsay734Valeri Kharlamov4Bernie Geoffrion
blogofmike49Ted Kennedy725Ken Dryden5Ken Dryden
blogofmike50King Clancy716King Clancy6Syl Apps
blogofmike51Marcel Dionne707Frank Boucher7Henri Richard
blogofmike52Chris Chelios698Syl Apps8Charlie Conacher
blogofmike53Henri Richard689Pierre Pilote9Milt Schmidt
blogofmike54Frank Boucher6710Henri Richard10Pierre Pilote
blogofmike55Sprague Cleghorn66 11 12
blogofmike56Bernie Geoffrion651Vladislav Tretiak1Chris Pronger
blogofmike57Bill Cook642Peter Forsberg2Ted Kennedy
blogofmike58Pierre Pilote633Bernie Geoffrion3Marcel Dionne
blogofmike59Dit Clapper624Evgeni Malkin4Bernie Geoffrion
blogofmike60Nels Stewart615Marcel Dionne5Charlie Conacher
blogofmike61Sergei Fedorov606Frank Brimsek6Frank Brimsek
blogofmike62Milt Schmidt597Charlie Conacher7Frank Mahovlich
blogofmike63Frank Brimsek588Milt Schmidt8Sprague Cleghorn
blogofmike64Brad Park579Pierre Pilote9Earl Seibert
blogofmike65Jari Kurri5610Earl Seibert10Tim Horton
blogofmike66Earl Seibert55
blogofmike67Georges Vezina54
blogofmike68Andy Bathgate53
blogofmike69Frank Mahovlich52
blogofmike70Teemu Selanne51
blogofmike71Sid Abel50
blogofmike72Tim Horton49
blogofmike73Valeri Kharlamov48
blogofmike74Charlie Conacher47
blogofmike75Joe Malone46
blogofmike76Syl Apps45
blogofmike77Duncan Keith44 15 16
blogofmike78Peter Stastny431Brett Hull1Jari Kurri
blogofmike79Jarome Iginla422Jari Kurri2Brett Hull
blogofmike80Clint Benedict413Bill Durnan3Bill Durnan
blogofmike81Mark Howe404Clint Benedict4Turk Broda
blogofmike82Patrick Kane395Turk Broda5Sergei Fedorov
blogofmike83Aurele Joliat386Joe Malone6Boris Mikhailov
blogofmike84Eric Lindros377Cy Denneny7Charlie Gardiner
blogofmike85Jean Ratelle368Frank Mahovlich8Cy Denneny
blogofmike86Martin St. Louis359Dit Clapper9Max Bentley
blogofmike87Brian Leetch3410Anatoli Firsov10Aurele Joliat
blogofmike88Max Bentley33 17 18
blogofmike89Joe Thornton321Brett Hull1Sergei Fedorov
blogofmike90Bill Cowley312Bill Durnan2Boris Mikhailov
blogofmike91Gilbert Perreault303Turk Broda3Duncan Keith
blogofmike92Turk Broda294Sergei Fedorov4Zdeno Chara
blogofmike93Jonathan Toews285Elmer Lach5Brian Leetch
blogofmike94Grant Fuhr276Brian Leetch6Eric Lindros
blogofmike95Billy Smith267Borje Salming7Bill Cowley
blogofmike96Doug Gilmour258Boris Mikhailov8Nels Stewart
blogofmike97Johnny Bower249Nels Stewart9Ed Belfour
blogofmike98Henrik Lundqvist2310Bill Gadsby10Martin St. Louis
blogofmike99Erik Karlsson22 19
blogofmike100Toe Blake211Joe Thornton10
blogofmike101Jiri Holecek202Duncan Keith9
blogofmike102Pavel Bure193Eddie Gerard8
blogofmike103Elmer Lach184Brian Leetch7
blogofmike104Bernie Parent175Patrick Kane6
blogofmike105Anze Kopitar166Erik Karlsson5
blogofmike106Dave Keon157Mark Howe4
blogofmike107Ed Belfour148Eric Lindros3
blogofmike108Tony Esposito139Nels Stewart2
blogofmike109Scott Niedermayer1210Sid Abel1
blogofmike110Evgeni Malkin11 21
blogofmike111Serge Savard101Russell Bowie
blogofmike112Steven Stamkos92Doug Gilmour
blogofmike113Boris Mikhailov83Bernie Parent
blogofmike114Charlie Gardiner74Erik Karlsson
blogofmike115Borje Salming65Sid Abel
blogofmike116Valeri Vasiliev56Jarome Iginla
blogofmike117Cy Denneny47Alexander Maltsev
blogofmike118Roy Worters38Peter Stastny
blogofmike119Drew Doughty29Vladimir Martinec
blogofmike120Dickie Moore110Johnny Bower
VoterRankPlayerPoints 1 2
TheGeneral1Wayne Gretzky1201Wayne Gretzky1Bobby Hull
TheGeneral2Mario Lemieux1192Mario Lemieux2Dominik Hasek
TheGeneral3Gordie Howe1183Gordie Howe3Jean Beliveau
TheGeneral4Bobby Orr1174Bobby Orr4Patrick Roy
TheGeneral5Bobby Hull1165Bobby Hull5Ray Bourque
TheGeneral6Jean Beliveau1156Jean Beliveau6Maurice Richard
TheGeneral7Mark Messier1147Ray Bourque7Howie Morenz
TheGeneral8Jaromir Jagr1138Patrick Roy8Eddie Shore
TheGeneral9Ray Bourque1129Maurice Richard9Doug Harvey
TheGeneral10Patrick Roy11110Doug Harvey10Sidney Crosby
TheGeneral11Alex Ovechkin110
TheGeneral12Dominik Hasek109
TheGeneral13Maurice Richard108
TheGeneral14Nicklas Lidstrom107
TheGeneral15Martin Brodeur106
TheGeneral16Stan Mikita105
TheGeneral17Phil Esposito104
TheGeneral18Mike Bossy103
TheGeneral19Howie Morenz102
TheGeneral20Doug Harvey101
TheGeneral21Denis Potvin100
TheGeneral22Bobby Clarke99 5
TheGeneral23Frank Nighbor981Mark Messier
TheGeneral24Steve Yzerman972Martin Brodeur
TheGeneral25Joe Sakic963Alex Ovechkin
TheGeneral26Sergei Makarov954Frank Nighbor
TheGeneral27Guy Lafleur945Stan Mikita
TheGeneral28Terry Sawchuk936Guy Lafleur
TheGeneral29Eddie Shore927Phil Esposito
TheGeneral30Viacheslav Fetisov918Bobby Clarke
TheGeneral31Larry Robinson909Viacheslav Fetisov
TheGeneral32Cyclone Taylor8910Terry Sawchuk
TheGeneral33Ken Dryden88 7
TheGeneral34Newsy Lalonde871Martin Brodeur
TheGeneral35Jacques Plante862Steve Yzerman
TheGeneral36Red Kelly853Joe Sakic
TheGeneral37Bryan Trottier844Mike Bossy
TheGeneral38Sergei Fedorov835Larry Robinson
TheGeneral39Paul Coffey826Bryan Trottier
TheGeneral40Ted Lindsay817Cyclone Taylor
TheGeneral41Glenn Hall808Terry Sawchuk
TheGeneral42King Clancy799Ted Lindsay
TheGeneral43Chris Pronger7810Newsy Lalonde
TheGeneral44Teemu Selanne77 9
TheGeneral45Chris Chelios761Paul Coffey
TheGeneral46Al MacInnis752Chris Chelios
TheGeneral47Brett Hull743Vladislav Tretiak
TheGeneral48Sidney Crosby734Ken Dryden
TheGeneral49Doug Gilmour725Henri Richard
TheGeneral50Scott Stevens716Brad Park
TheGeneral51Peter Forsberg707Pierre Pilote
TheGeneral52Vladislav Tretiak698Frank Boucher
TheGeneral53Scott Niedermayer689Charlie Conacher
TheGeneral54Frank Brimsek6710Syl Apps
TheGeneral55Marcel Dionne66
TheGeneral56Frank Boucher65
TheGeneral57Duncan Keith64
TheGeneral58Milt Schmidt63
TheGeneral59Henri Richard62
TheGeneral60Ted Kennedy61
TheGeneral61Joe Malone60
TheGeneral62Joe Thornton59
TheGeneral63Peter Stastny58
TheGeneral64Ron Francis57
TheGeneral65Pavel Datsyuk56
TheGeneral66Evgeni Malkin55
TheGeneral67Erik Karlsson54
TheGeneral68Ed Belfour53
TheGeneral69Bill Cook52
TheGeneral70Charlie Conacher51
TheGeneral71Martin St. Louis50
TheGeneral72Jari Kurri49
TheGeneral73Alex Delvecchio48
TheGeneral74Eric Lindros47
TheGeneral75Bernie Geoffrion46
TheGeneral76Valeri Kharlamov45
TheGeneral77Dickie Moore44
TheGeneral78Adam Oates43
TheGeneral79Andy Bathgate42
TheGeneral80Johnny Bower41
TheGeneral81Tim Horton40
TheGeneral82Dale Hawerchuk39
TheGeneral83Frank Mahovlich38
TheGeneral84Turk Broda37
TheGeneral85Georges Vezina36
TheGeneral86Cy Denneny35
TheGeneral87Tony Esposito34
TheGeneral88Patrick Kane33
TheGeneral89Mike Modano32
TheGeneral90Brad Park31
TheGeneral91Gilbert Perreault30
TheGeneral92Jean Ratelle29
TheGeneral93Jarome Iginla28
TheGeneral94Pavel Bure27
TheGeneral95Sprague Cleghorn26
TheGeneral96Jonathan Toews25
TheGeneral97Denis Savard24
TheGeneral98Brian Leetch23
TheGeneral99Nels Stewart22
TheGeneral100Clint Benedict21
TheGeneral101Henrik Zetterberg20
TheGeneral102Billy Smith19
TheGeneral103Grant Fuhr18
TheGeneral104Pierre Pilote17
TheGeneral105Dit Clapper16
TheGeneral106Henrik Lundqvist15
TheGeneral107Earl Seibert14
TheGeneral108Mark Howe13
TheGeneral109Bernie Parent12
TheGeneral110Luc Robitaille11
TheGeneral111Rod Langway10
TheGeneral112Serge Savard9
TheGeneral113Russell Bowie8
TheGeneral114Valeri Vasiliev7
TheGeneral115Zdeno Chara6
TheGeneral116Syl Apps5
TheGeneral117Vladimir Petrov4
TheGeneral118Bill Gadsby3
TheGeneral119Shea Weber2
TheGeneral120Pat LaFontaine1
VoterRankPlayerPoints 1 2
The Macho Man1Wayne Gretzky1201Wayne Gretzky1Bobby Hull
The Macho Man2Bobby Orr1192Bobby Orr2Jean Beliveau
The Macho Man3Gordie Howe1183Gordie Howe3Ray Bourque
The Macho Man4Mario Lemieux1174Mario Lemieux4Patrick Roy
The Macho Man5Maurice Richard1165Doug Harvey5Doug Harvey
The Macho Man6Jean Beliveau1156Jean Beliveau6Dominik Hasek
The Macho Man7Bobby Hull1147Bobby Hull7Eddie Shore
The Macho Man8Dominik Hasek1138Patrick Roy8Howie Morenz
The Macho Man9Ray Bourque1129Ray Bourque9Sidney Crosby
The Macho Man10Doug Harvey11110Maurice Richard10Maurice Richard
The Macho Man11Howie Morenz110 3 4
The Macho Man12Patrick Roy1091Ray Bourque1Denis Potvin
The Macho Man13Eddie Shore1082Eddie Shore2Nicklas Lidstrom
The Macho Man14Stan Mikita1073Dominik Hasek3Mark Messier
The Macho Man15Denis Potvin1064Sidney Crosby4Frank Nighbor
The Macho Man16Guy Lafleur1055Howie Morenz5Red Kelly
The Macho Man17Frank Nighbor1046Denis Potvin6Phil Esposito
The Macho Man18Jacques Plante1037Mark Messier7Guy Lafleur
The Macho Man19Red Kelly1028Jacques Plante8Jacques Plante
The Macho Man20Phil Esposito1019Nicklas Lidstrom9Jaromir Jagr
The Macho Man21Bobby Clarke10010Jaromir Jagr10Stan Mikita
The Macho Man22Nicklas Lidstrom99 5 6
The Macho Man23Terry Sawchuk981Frank Nighbor1Phil Esposito
The Macho Man24Sidney Crosby972Phil Esposito2Viacheslav Fetisov
The Macho Man25Glenn Hall963Mark Messier3Glenn Hall
The Macho Man26Viacheslav Fetisov954Viacheslav Fetisov4Bryan Trottier
The Macho Man27Bryan Trottier945Guy Lafleur5Bobby Clarke
The Macho Man28Alex Ovechkin936Stan Mikita6Cyclone Taylor
The Macho Man29Mark Messier927Glenn Hall7Martin Brodeur
The Macho Man30Mike Bossy918Alex Ovechkin8Sergei Makarov
The Macho Man31Newsy Lalonde909Martin Brodeur9Mike Bossy
The Macho Man32Valeri Kharlamov8910Bobby Clarke10Joe Sakic
The Macho Man33Larry Robinson88 7 8
The Macho Man34Milt Schmidt871Bryan Trottier1Larry Robinson
The Macho Man35Pierre Pilote862Martin Brodeur2Mike Bossy
The Macho Man36Jaromir Jagr853Bill Cook3Chris Chelios
The Macho Man37Martin Brodeur844Larry Robinson4Newsy Lalonde
The Macho Man38Joe Sakic835Cyclone Taylor5Terry Sawchuk
The Macho Man39Steve Yzerman826Joe Sakic6Steve Yzerman
The Macho Man40Brad Park817Mike Bossy7Ted Lindsay
The Macho Man41Syl Apps808Newsy Lalonde8Brad Park
The Macho Man42Ted Lindsay799Steve Yzerman9Ken Dryden
The Macho Man43Cyclone Taylor7810Terry Sawchuk10Paul Coffey
The Macho Man44Ken Dryden77 9 10
The Macho Man45Chris Chelios761Chris Chelios1Charlie Conacher
The Macho Man46Bill Cook752Valeri Kharlamov2Brad Park
The Macho Man47Vladislav Tretiak743King Clancy3Pierre Pilote
The Macho Man48Bill Durnan734Frank Boucher4Syl Apps
The Macho Man49Charlie Conacher725Charlie Conacher5Milt Schmidt
The Macho Man50Max Bentley716Brad Park6Ken Dryden
The Macho Man51Paul Coffey707Pierre Pilote7Vladislav Tretiak
The Macho Man52Marcel Dionne698Syl Apps8Bernie Geoffrion
The Macho Man53Frank Mahovlich689Ken Dryden9Henri Richard
The Macho Man54Joe Malone6710Vladislav Tretiak10Paul Coffey
The Macho Man55Dit Clapper66 11 12
The Macho Man56King Clancy651Charlie Conacher1Charlie Conacher
The Macho Man57Andy Bathgate642Pierre Pilote2Sprague Cleghorn
The Macho Man58Evgeni Malkin633Evgeni Malkin3Frank Brimsek
The Macho Man59Henri Richard624Milt Schmidt4Bernie Geoffrion
The Macho Man60Frank Brimsek615Vladislav Tretiak5Andy Bathgate
The Macho Man61Tim Horton606Bernie Geoffrion6Chris Pronger
The Macho Man62Frank Boucher597Peter Forsberg7Earl Seibert
The Macho Man63Turk Broda588Frank Brimsek8Ted Kennedy
The Macho Man64Earl Seibert579Earl Seibert9Tim Horton
The Macho Man65Jari Kurri5610Marcel Dionne10Marcel Dionne
The Macho Man66Bernie Geoffrion55
The Macho Man67Al MacInnis54
The Macho Man68Cy Denneny53
The Macho Man69Nels Stewart52
The Macho Man70Peter Stastny51
The Macho Man71Brett Hull50
The Macho Man72Boris Mikhailov49
The Macho Man73Sprague Cleghorn48
The Macho Man74Aurele Joliat47
The Macho Man75Erik Karlsson46
The Macho Man76Ted Kennedy45
The Macho Man77Chris Pronger44
The Macho Man78Scott Niedermayer43
The Macho Man79Johnny Bower42
The Macho Man80Mark Howe41
The Macho Man81Sergei Makarov40
The Macho Man82Bill Cowley39
The Macho Man83Toe Blake38
The Macho Man84Sergei Fedorov37
The Macho Man85Peter Forsberg36
The Macho Man86Georges Vezina35
The Macho Man87George Hainsworth34
The Macho Man88Borje Salming33
The Macho Man89Bill Gadsby32
The Macho Man90Anatoli Firsov31
The Macho Man91Gilbert Perreault30
The Macho Man92Teemu Selanne29
The Macho Man93Martin St. Louis28
The Macho Man94Serge Savard27
The Macho Man95Dickie Moore26
The Macho Man96Scott Stevens25
The Macho Man97Dave Keon24
The Macho Man98Jarome Iginla23
The Macho Man99Charlie Gardiner22
The Macho Man100Ron Francis21
The Macho Man101Alex Delvecchio20
The Macho Man102Valeri Vasiliev19
The Macho Man103Norm Ullman18
The Macho Man104Brian Leetch17
The Macho Man105Elmer Lach16
The Macho Man106Zdeno Chara15
The Macho Man107Eric Lindros14
The Macho Man108Henrik Lundqvist13
The Macho Man109Johnny Bucyk12
The Macho Man110Joe Thornton11
The Macho Man111Adam Oates10
The Macho Man112Jiri Holecek9
The Macho Man113Mike Modano8
The Macho Man114Rod Langway7
The Macho Man115Vladimir Martinec6
The Macho Man116Rob Blake5
The Macho Man117Drew Doughty4
The Macho Man118Ed Belfour3
The Macho Man119Jacques Lemaire2
The Macho Man120Roberto Luongo1
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VanIslander

A 19-year ATDer on HfBoards
Sep 4, 2004
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I'd never heard of these guys before, except for The Macho Man (so no belly aching about Roy Worters or Pat Lafontaine at the tail end).

TMM's list looks reasonable, except Jagr is so far down it he's almost at Syl Apps.

I like the nod to a couple of Czechoslovakians in the also-ran conversation-potential 100-120 range.
 

DannyGallivan

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I kinda like Macho's list as well. I'd be curious if Blog of Mike could explain how Orr dropped behind Mario in the first voting round.
 

sr edler

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Mar 20, 2010
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Can't find a common theme in TheGeneral's list, a lot of it feels kinda random. May he stray by to explain the thought process?
 

The Macho King

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Jun 22, 2011
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I'd never heard of these guys before, except for The Macho Man (so no belly aching about Roy Worters or Pat Lafontaine at the tail end).

TMM's list looks reasonable, except Jagr is so far down it he's almost at Syl Apps.

I like the nod to a couple of Czechoslovakians in the also-ran conversation-potential 100-120 range.
I am really low on Jagr (probably too low, I've acknowledged). I wouldn't have him so low if I made the list again, but alas.

I don't think my list is particularly good - the past year I've studied a lot more and would have definitely placed some guys differently (more love for pre WW2 players, less love for DPE and early expansion era players, probably a push on original six and modern players).
 
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GlitchMarner

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I am really low on Jagr (probably too low, I've acknowledged). I wouldn't have him so low if I made the list again, but alas.

I don't think my list is particularly good - the past year I've studied a lot more and would have definitely placed some guys differently (more love for pre WW2 players, less love for DPE and early expansion era players, probably a push on original six and modern players).

Richard at fifth?? I thought you weren't that high on him...
 

The Macho King

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Richard at fifth?? I thought you weren't that high on him...
That was one of the big changes I'd make. My initial list, especially the top end, I just kind of went with my gut at the time. It was between the initial list and voting that I started diving deeper into some of the more obvious names.
 
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GlitchMarner

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Well, the main boards makes fun of the fact that the NHL included Toews on the Top 100 Players list it released in 2017, but two of these three participants in this project put him in the top 100.

@blogofmike: I am curious as to why you included Toews and Kopitar but not Datsyuk. It also seems weird that you included both Toews and Stamkos as they're basically total opposites. One guy is there primarily (if not entirely) because of his playoff resume and the other is there because of his regular season peak/best seasons and has an awful playoff track record compared to the greatest players of all time. Also, Malkin isn't in the top 100?
 

Nadal On Clay

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Crosby at 48 on the 2nd list?

Malkin behind Anze Kopitar and Jonathan Toews for the 1st list (out of top 100)?

I guess that I could have participated after all.
 

Nick Hansen

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The Macho Man with Selanne at 92:

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Dennis Bonvie

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I wanted to call these lists eclectic, but I don't think that's right.

Orr at 4, Messier at 7 and Jagr at 8. The General is killin' it!
 

VMBM

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I might be wrong but it just looks that The Macho Macho Man (sorry, couldn't resist) had HOH's 2008 Top 100 list as a sort of guidance at least when ranking the Russian players. Makarov's placement below Mikhailov and well below Fetisov and Kharlamov just sticks out (negatively) on the list like a sore thumb, I'm afraid.

Makarov's huge rise in stature in the past ten years is an interesting 'phenomenon', though (as I've pointed out many times before).
 
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ChiTownPhilly

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I kinda like Macho's list as well. I'd be curious if Blog of Mike could explain how Orr dropped behind Mario in the first voting round.
I wouldn't presume to speak for the man- but when this became a topic, here was my try at a distilled reduction of the Lemieux>Orr argument:
Orr versus Lemieux in Three Acts:

Act I- ages 18 to 21-22: they're comparable. I got Orr with the edge in two years- Lemieux with the edge in two years. If ya wanna say (for the sake of argument) Orr has a slight edge (cuz his advantages are wider than Lemieux's, e.g.: playing age 21) I won't argue strenuously. Still- I'll call it comparable.

Act II- ages 21-22 to 26: it's Orr with the edge- there's daylight between them- but Lemieux is doing some historically significant things during that time, too. Also, let's not lose sight of the fact that, from age 18 to this point, Orr's building his legacy with considerably more teammate-help than Lemieux.

Act III- Orr did not provide us with an Act III. To the extent that Lemieux's career continues, he is competing against a virtually blank sheet of paper. After playing age 26, Lemieux scored 709 points. Orr scored 45.

Lemieux from age 27 onwards: 2 Harts/Pearsons (Lindsays), 3 Art Ross, 4 All-Star Teams (3x 1st). My case is- Lemieux's advantage in Act III more than offsets any disadvantages in the first two Acts.
This argument didn't gain traction with most- but maybe it gained traction with some. I still maintain that it's a reasonable way to look at the matter.
 

bobholly39

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BlogofMike has Malkin 110 and Dionne 55 and Brimsek 63 in round 1 - yet in the first round 2 they all 3 became eligible, he ends up voting Malkin ahead of both. Is this just a case of vastly underestimating Malkin in round 1? It's a bit surprising to come across that - because the current and more modern players are the ones we generally are most familiar with so less prone to underestimate vs just purposefully rank low, so curious about your thought process there.

I still think the distance between Ovechkin (11) and Crosby 48) in round 1 for The General is one of the worst showings in this project. I get that some people had current player biases and could buy both being low, and i get that some prefer ovechkin to Crosby so could buy a gap of 10-15 guys between them maybe - but this still makes absolutely no sense. And barring the poster actually defending his position, it just seems like it's based on an intentional dislike of one player.

Surprised MachoMan has no votes past round 12 - i thought you were still around most of the project, if less active. Cant criticize round 1 too much if you admit it was a best effort and you learned a lot throughout round 2 and would likely make changes now if you redid the list. Probably quite comparable to me overall in that sense.
 

ImporterExporter

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I would have absolutely thrown out The Generals list.

There is zero justification for having Ovechkin at 11, Mike Bossy at 18 and Crosby 48th, behind Brett f***ing Hull....

Harvey 20th?

And then no posts that I'm aware of to argue the defense of such rankings.
 

ChiTownPhilly

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Were any lists thrown out?

I imagined at least one Hfboarder would've included Toews, McDavid or Price.
The answer, of course, is in the Aggy-List... a lineup that includes well over 200 players. Toews got six mentions. McDavid got three. Carey Price got the one lonely mention at 120, which puts him in the category with Ms. Wickenheiser.

Check out this 'hit' for how relevant that is:

One drop of water added to a 95% full four-gallon container.

Ratio=1:232320.

This, gentle readers, is the value of your individual 120th selection in Round One.
I didn't have Toews in my 120... but I believe the Aggy-List has an absolute minimum of 2-dozen-plus lesser lights clearly inferior to him.
 

Johnny Engine

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I think some of you are still misunderstanding why lists get screened.
Errors, omissions, and incomplete work. Not stupid opinions. For that purpose, trying to prove that individual participants' opinions are stupid and wrong has no bearing on the screening process.
 
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DannyGallivan

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I think some of you are still misunderstanding why lists get screened.
Errors, omissions, and incomplete work. Not stupid opinions. For that purpose, trying to prove that individual participants' opinions are stupid and wrong has no bearing on the screening process.
Omissions... not additions. But dare I say if someone had Guy Lafleur as high as sixth or Gretzky as low as sixth... or Crosby at 48, those lists are left in all their glory.

What would an error be that wasn't an omission or incompletion? Perhaps listing the same player twice.
 

bobholly39

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Were any lists thrown out?

I imagined at least one Hfboarder would've included Toews, McDavid or Price.

I included Price at 120

I did it on purpose though. I value his peak more than most and think he may not get enough recognition all time when the time comes. Probably a bit of a biased pick but i always intended my #120 to be fully biased and meaningful 'didn't figure slot 120 would have a big effect on results one way or another. Id like to think that outside of that pick i didnt show any biases based on me liking a player better
I would have absolutely thrown out The Generals list.

There is zero justification for having Ovechkin at 11, Mike Bossy at 18 and Crosby 48th, behind Brett ****ing Hull....

Harvey 20th?

And then no posts that I'm aware of to argue the defense of such rankings.

The only one of those that makes no sense is Crosby at 48.

Im ok with all the other placements. Ovechkin, Harvey, Bossy, Hull. I even would have been ok with Crosby at 48 if Ovechkin (current player also) was slotted past 30, hence showing an active player bias.

I think the 11 vs 48 is the issue. Ovechkin at 11 in itself is fine.
 
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MXD

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I couldn't have guessed any of these posters.

BlogofMike's list irked me quite a bit, up until I realized it might have been rushed due to the amount of positionnal/logical clusters (I jokingly said that Kennedy and Lindsay were back to back because both were named Ted; you also have lots of D's between 27 and 32, with a string of 4 goalies separated by one skater; all players between 37 and 45 were G's and D's, and there was 4 forwards between 27 and 45, with the Top-26 being really forward-heavy). Harvey and Lidstrom rankings felt outrageous then and feel outrageous now. But otherwise, no one was missing and all areas were fairly represented. In the grand scheme of things, it's okay, but I would've been pissed if the final list ended up being so clustered.

TheGeneral actually had Crosby lower than 48th.

TheMachoMan's list? I noticed that Benedict was missing (Benedict missing with Hainsworth on the list makes no sense - it would be like, I don't know... having Shea Weber but not Zdeno Chara). Makarov was way too low in round 1, but there appears to have been a correction in round 2. I'm disappointed that this one left, considering how much shuffling there was between R1 and R2.
 
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